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daveymark

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I have the utmost faith in the democratic party in their ability to totally and completely **** up a sure thing.

bingo. The dems are the arizona cardinals of capitol hill
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: loki8481
I have the utmost faith in the democratic party in their ability to totally and completely **** up a sure thing.

bingo. The dems are the arizona cardinals of capitol hill
George Bush is the Denny Green of the White House.
 
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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Then again he might be right. Given the "dire" circumstance the Dems have been stating for the last six+ years... How could they NOT win the congress? How could they possibly lose here? As a staunch conservative it blows my mind that this is even still an issue. Given the current circumstances, the Dems should ROLL on this election.

If the Dems lose this will be the equivilant of the Cards blowing it against the Bears last Monday.

It's still a race-by-race contest, and what you have to keep in mind is the insane amount of gerrymandering the Republicans have done since taking control of both houses of Congress. Many House districts that would have been winnable in the past aren't any longer.

I agree with you that the Democratic party lacks cohesion and vision, but I'd say the same thing about the Republicans - the relevant difference is the cynicism with which the Republicans have shown they are willing to contest these races. When Rove and company are willing to pull shenanigans like the ones they used against McCain in 2000 and Kerry in 2004, the Democrats are going to have a very hard time competing.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Usual Drudge disclaimer...
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Dude, I get my news from bloggers too! It's awesome! But back here on planet earth, does Baron's have a time machine that I wasn't aware of?


 

Caminetto

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I can see where there might be some credibility to this article (and some wishful thinking as well), as elections have been decided lately by who gets their base to vote. It?s obvious that in both the last election and this one, that each side really puts emphasis on getting the vote out.
Rebub's have been much better at appealing to their base, while Dems can't get young people and the poor, who are inclined to vote for them, to actually show up. The polls can?t account for those voters who have found something else to do on Election Day, and have the attitude that it's just like ?peeing in the ocean? anyway.
 

catnap1972

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Just out of curiosity, are any of the "whack-jobs" out there (not referring to anyone here) that insist that not only will the right hold both houses but will actually gain seats? No doubt the nuts over at FreakRepubic, Redrumstate, as well as Drudge think it, but any others?
 

Thump553

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Newsflash: the Hartford Courant, which is the leading paper in CT (and has an editorial board almost as right wing as anyones) posted their House of Representative endorsements today and endorsed all five Democratic nominees, essentially calling for a cleaning of the House and a new direction in Washington. Most tellingly, the Courant endorsed the opponents of Shays and Simmons, two nationally known GOP members who are in very tight races.

Has anyone else noticed a similar phenomena occuring in other states?
 

DealMonkey

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We studied every single race -- all 435 House seats and 33 in the Senate -- and based our predictions about the outcome in almost every race on which candidate had the largest campaign war chest, a sign of superior grass-roots support. We ignore the polls.

Oh wait, they don't have a time machine, they simply have ignored half the story (polls) and based their prediction on which candidate has the most cash. That's freaking genius, why didn't I think of that? :roll:
 

catnap1972

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We studied every single race -- all 435 House seats and 33 in the Senate -- and based our predictions about the outcome in almost every race on which candidate had the largest campaign war chest, a sign of superior grass-roots support. We ignore the polls.

Oh wait, they don't have a time machine, they simply have ignored half the story (polls) and based their prediction on which candidate has the most cash.

Well of course, silly! You didn't think Diebold took IOUs, did you?

 

ProfJohn

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I love the selective quoting DealMonkey.

Let's balance it out with this statement from the article
Is our method reliable? It certainly has been in the past. Using it in the 2002 and 2004 congressional races, we bucked conventional wisdom and correctly predicted GOP gains both years. Look at House races back to 1972 and you'll find the candidate with the most money has won about 93% of the time. And that's closer to 98% in more recent years, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Polls can be far less reliable. Remember, they all but declared John Kerry president on Election Day 2004.
Let's look at the record of the author of this article
In 2004 he predicted that the house would end up being 234 to 201, and it ended up being 232 to 203, so he was off by 2. And in the Senate he guessed 54-46 and we ened up 55-44, off by 1. So it looks like he was pretty close to getting it right then.

It certainly looks like it will be closer than some might expect.
I'd say we end up within 5 seats either way.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: catnap1972
Just out of curiosity, are any of the "whack-jobs" out there (not referring to anyone here) that insist that not only will the right hold both houses but will actually gain seats? No doubt the nuts over at FreakRepubic, Redrumstate, as well as Drudge think it, but any others?

this is the DNC we're talking about. it wouldn't suprise me at all if the Republicans managed to gain seats.

my prediction? one week before the election, Nancy Pelosi will get caught kicking puppies while at a gay wedding sponsored by nambla.