Gotta ? about mp3 bit rate, & what it takes to toast to cd

[Esquire]

If you have a 192 bit rate mp3 will the cd audio sound pokay?

i know that ones ive taken from 128bt sound tinny......

thoughts? thanks
Me

 

[RaoulDuke]

Depends on your speakers and your ears. I think 192 in the car sounds fine, or really anywhere else for that matter. Most of the cds i burn of mp3s are of 192 and they sound fine.

 

[kami]

Hell no. 192 drops out way too many audible frequencies.

256Kbps minimum.

 

[mdennison]

I have plenty of 64bit that sound better than 128 or 192 and vice versa. It should be fine...

 

[RaoulDuke]

<< Hell no. 192 drops out way too many audible frequencies.

256Kbps minimum. >>



please.

 

[Esquire]

you guy/gals r fast.....

 

[kami]

please what?

ive seen graphs before... 192 drops basically everything above 15kHz...even with a nice encoder like LAME. 256 is VERY close to CD quality. You'd need some incredible equipment to tell it apart from CD.

However I can tell a diff between 192 and original CD on my equipment...

 

[Esquire]

can anyone tell the differanc between 128 &amp; 192, my ears must be bad

how about vba?

 

[RaoulDuke]

I guess you're the huge exception with your badassed audio equipment. If you spend that much on audio systems why not just buy the cd. Anyways, for the vast majority of people 192kbps is fine, hell look at all the people on napster and what not who download 128kbit songs and don't have a problem, lame at 192 is fine.

 

[kami]

<< can anyone tell the differanc between 128 &amp; 192, my ears must be bad

how about vba?
>>


what are you playing it on? good speakers can really show the flaws of bad recordings...

 

[mdennison]

Just like my post says, i have some 64 bit that sounds perfect and some 192 bit that sounds like shiet. I play them through my computer, home cd-player, and car.

 

[Esquire]

aces, okay i stick with 192 bit

if i get cracks &amp; pops on a cd is that because the decoder? i use nero 5.0, and there are some pops &amp; cracks

will 192 relive that?

 

[mdennison]

I use nero 4.0 with no probs on cheap media. The cracks and pops could be the (not bitrate quality) quality of the originally recorded mp3. Enjoy! and use kazaa.com

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

<< please what?

ive seen graphs before... 192 drops basically everything above 15kHz...even with a nice encoder like LAME. 256 is VERY close to CD quality. You'd need some incredible equipment to tell it apart from CD.

However I can tell a diff between 192 and original CD on my equipment... >>



i don't really care what a graph tells me. the extent i use those graphs is when i'm choosing which encoder to pick. (i figure, why use inferior codecs, all things being equal). but in terms of encoding at 256, that kinda almost defeats the purpose of having mp3s, so i usually stick with around 160 vbr. i could probably tell a difference too using my headphones, but i mean, why should i even try it when 128 sounds good on its own? it's not like i can tell the difference without directly comparing them. (talking personally here, all you sensitive ear types don't get your underwear in a bunch). ignorance is bliss no?

i see mp3s as good for two things
size
convenience

not:
audiophile sound quality

that's my story and i'm sticking to it

 

[RaoulDuke]

<< aces, okay i stick with 192 bit

if i get cracks &amp; pops on a cd is that because the decoder? i use nero 5.0, and there are some pops &amp; cracks

will 192 relive that? >>



you're ripping it wrong, or something, is going wrong before you encode it.

 

[RaoulDuke]

<<

<< please what?

i see mp3s as good for two things
size
convenience

not:
audiophile sound quality

that's my story and i'm sticking to it >>



that's what i'm saying.

 

[kami]

<< I guess you're the huge exception with your badassed audio equipment. If you spend that much on audio systems why not just buy the cd. Anyways, for the vast majority of people 192kbps is fine, hell look at all the people on napster and what not who download 128kbit songs and don't have a problem, lame at 192 is fine. >>



not so badassed...many people here have much better equipment than me. the audio components of my system probably total only $1500 or so. i know people with $10k systems...

anyway, i know for the average mp3 monkey, 192..even 128... is PLENTY since they are running it on garbage multimedia speakers. but even with some Klipsch ProMedia's, the difference between say 128 and 192 should be apparent.

If you are burning it to a CD for playback on a stereo, I'm still gonna recommend 256 at least

 

[kami]

<< i see mp3s as good for two things
size
convenience

not:
audiophile sound quality >>


of course...but I was answering his question.

This isn't a friggin MP3 debate. He was asking what bitrate you should have for burning it to a CD and playing back on something else than a computer (stereo) and I figure if he has a decent stereo, then too low of a bitrate won't sound too good!

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

those cracks and pops are due to a bad rip off the audio cd. try using EAC which has error correction, or rip your cd's at a slower rate with whatever ripper you're using.

 

[crypticlogin]

This is what I have seen, know about, and played with on MP3 encoding and playback:

1) What you encode is as important as how you encode. There's a bunch of test signals that are designed to test the effectiveness of MP3 encoders -- some of them are called 'Encoder Hell'.
2) Your ear is different from the next ear. The guy down the hall may be able to pick up a 19KHz tone at a different dB than you can.
3) The people who say &quot;xxx bitrate is too low -- yyy minimum&quot; aren't lying. It's just that they can tell the difference between xxx and yyy.
4) MP3 is a lossy compression. Just because it drops frequencies doesn't mean you'll miss them (read up on psychoacoustic masking schemes).

Esquire: Encode at whatever bitrate that produces the output you're happy with.

 

[Esquire]

okay thanks
you are quick crew...