Got the call today (re:z06)

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Ferzerp

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I was 3rd in line at my dealer, but it looks like the two individuals ahead of me have elected to wait for automatics (not available for a few months). I got the call today to finalize my order to be picked up with the first set of accepted orders with GM. I was lucky and not bitten by any major constraint issues. I did have to switch from painted aero to exposed carbon fiber aero, but that was something I knew might happen, and doesn't affect the configuration in any major way other than seeing the CF weave vs having black paint over it, and costing me and extra $1k.
 
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Topweasel

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Gratz you certainly are getting a burner there. You got a C7 earlier right (dark green iirc)? You must compare the two for us (well not must, but I am sure most of us would be very grateful).
 
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Ferzerp

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jlee said:
It costs an extra $1k to not have paint?
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It seems counterintuitive initially, but it makes sense. The exposed CF pieces cannot have any flaws at all in the weave or finish, as well has having to have a more expensive clear coat applied to protect them from the sun. The painted pieces can have visual flaws that the paint covers, as well as having the layer of paint to protect them from the sun.
 
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jlee

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Ferzerp said:
It seems counterintuitive initially, but it makes sense. The exposed CF pieces cannot have any flaws at all in the weave or finish, as well has having to have a more expensive clear coat applied to protect them from the sun. The painted pieces can have visual flaws that the paint covers, as well as having the layer of paint to protect them from the sun.
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Ah yeah..I figured clear, but didn't think about the imperfections that could be hidden by paint.
 
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Ferzerp

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Just left from finalizing my order. My dealer was confused. Painted carbon fiber was what I was able to get. That was my preference anyway.
 
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JulesMaximus

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What color are you getting? I'm kind of curious what this car is like to live with on a daily basis. Post pics and driving impressions when you get it.
 
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Awesome Man - still waiting for my Z51 to get here. I'm going to seriously consider a Z06 (assuming I like the base stingray) in 2-3 years or so. Very jelly!
 
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Ferzerp

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Oh yeah, someone had asked vert or coupe. I don't buy verts because I track my cars.
 
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Ferzerp said:
It seems counterintuitive initially, but it makes sense. The exposed CF pieces cannot have any flaws at all in the weave or finish, as well has having to have a more expensive clear coat applied to protect them from the sun. The painted pieces can have visual flaws that the paint covers, as well as having the layer of paint to protect them from the sun.
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Yes and no. The reality is that they make them all the same, and the best ones get clear coated with a UV inhibitor. The ones with flaws get painted. So they really cost the same to make. Then GM charges you extra for picking the clear coated one, because they can't be the same price (every option has to have exclusivity).
 
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Ferzerp

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They don't cost the same to make though. They can't go to the supplier and say, "I want 15,000 exposed roofs, and 500 lower quality ones." Well, they could, but then the roofs would cost even more because of the ones that don't make the cut. They can, however, order 15,000 paint quality roofs. The exposed ones are of a higher quality. The ones that don't make that cut get purchased to paint. The exposed one is the more difficult to create, and so gets the higher charge. Sure there is some arbitrariness to the cost premium they place on it, but it is not the same cost to manufacture a part of sufficient quality for clearcoat only as it is to get one good enough for painting.

If you want a computer analogy, higher cost chips are manufactured on the same wafer as lower cost options that share the same die. We don't try to make the argument that the higher cost ones are the same cost to create as the lower cost ones, because we can't just make the highest quality parts (until a process becomes extremely mature, then more and more are higher quality, don't have cores that don't work, etc)

Also, I used roofs here because it was easier to type than aero bits over and over. It's the same thing though, just a different part.
 
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Ferzerp said:
They don't cost the same to make though. They can't go to the supplier and say, "I want 15,000 exposed roofs, and 500 lower quality ones." Well, they could, but then the roofs would cost even more because of the ones that don't make the cut. They can, however, order 15,000 paint quality roofs. The exposed ones are of a higher quality. The ones that don't make that cut get purchased to paint. The exposed one is the more difficult to create, and so gets the higher charge. Sure there is some arbitrariness to the cost premium they place on it, but it is not the same cost to manufacture a part of sufficient quality for clearcoat only as it is to get one good enough for painting.

If you want a computer analogy, higher cost chips are manufactured on the same wafer as lower cost options that share the same die. We don't try to make the argument that the higher cost ones are the same cost to create as the lower cost ones, because we can't just make the highest quality parts (until a process becomes extremely mature, then more and more are higher quality, don't have cores that don't work, etc)

Also, I used roofs here because it was easier to type than aero bits over and over. It's the same thing though, just a different part.
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Hehe... Chevy says "we'd like to buy 15,000 of these panels" and their supplier says "too bad we can only make 7,500 sell more convertibles." Never thought that after a year of production there would be a 35% constraint on the freaking stock painted roof!

What you said is exactly right though (and actually a good computer analogy).

Ironically, I'll have my carbon fiber aero kit prior to my car showing up.
 
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where do you live? so i can come visit and drive the Z06 for myself have you take me for a ride :biggrin:
 
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