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Got my ivy ultra book and not impressed at all with igp

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grkM3

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Now I know why people keep saying to just buy a card and not even bother with the igpus

I got a 15k in 3dmark2001 with it 1024x768 and any 50 dollar video card today will blow that away!

ohh and IVY RUNS HOT this thing idles at 47-51 for the cores

It is really light and thin tho and that was my main reason for getting it and so far I got about 3.5 hours and its at 50% battery

check it out!!!

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grkM3 said:
ohh and IVY RUNS HOT this thing idles at 47-51 for the cores
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This is a known, but within spec, and also does not relate (other than the temp making it use slightly more power) at all to the heat emitted by the entire laptop itself. It just means that on average, a certain amount of heat is kept within the die. The CPU is still only giving off, at most 17W of heat or whatever the tdp is for that one.
 
iGPUs have come a long way, it's impressive that they even support the latest directx. Modern games will typically run decently on an HD4000 at low settings.

Nice notebook.
 
How about a few more details on it? Anyway, not sure what you wanted to use the igp for, or what you expected from it. In addition to being an igp in the first place, it is limited by the 17w tdp that It has to share with the CPU. What are you planning to use the ultrabook for?
 
Ohh trust me guys I wasnt expecting much out of the igpu but just from reading about the AMD VS INTEL gpus and then seeing what intel is all about it dosnt make sense to even bother in home system builds as a cheap card will out do them with ease.

I bought this for an on the go laptop as my old sony is just massive and litterally gets about an hour if that on a full charge.

This little guy is just the ultrabook with no dvd drive or HD and was bought for max battery life.Its a 13.7(from memory)1366 display and will run most games just fine at those res settings.




the full specs are
  • • Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
  • • 3rd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3517U Processor + Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  • • 4GB DDR3 System Memory (1 Dimm)
  • • 128GB (Solid State Drive Flash Module)
  • • Microsoft(R) Office Starter: reduced-functionality Word/Excel(R) only, No PowerPoint(R)/Outlook(R)
  • • FREE 2-year Norton Internet Security subscription (a $99 value). Pre-installed.
  • • 4 Cell Lithium Ion Battery - Up to 8.0 hours of battery life +++
  • • 13.3" diagonal HD BrightView LED- backlit Display (1366 x 768)
  • • No Internal DVD or CD Drive
  • • 720p HD video streaming webcam supports Skype
  • • Intel 802.11a/b/g/n WLAN and Bluetooth(R)
  • • Backlit Keyboard
  • • Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 10 & Adobe Premiere(R) Elements 10
  • • Included 2 Year Warranty
  • • HP Home & Home Office Store in-box envelope
IM on my way to best buy to get some ram as it only came with one stick and that might affect the performance since its only running single channel ram at the moment.

I also got a free xbox 360 with it but it took almost 2 months to get because of the demand.

Im blown away from the battery life so far,Iv been using it all threw the night and even with it laying on my bed and the vents under blocked up the laptop is nice and cool and silent.If ivy is this good I cant imagine what haswell will bring.

I ended up paying 1160 for it with taxes and the xbox

here is direct link and if anyone wants you can still get the free xbox if you order with xbox360 code

http://shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-of...abook-13t-2000

The only difference when I built mine is I bumped it up to the i7 for a little more money
 
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Why, oh why would you buy this?

That i7 is going to be throttling like mad to keep itself at or below that 17W TDP. The IGP won't run at its full clocks for more than a millisecond before it drops down to idle speeds due to throttling as well.

Were you expecting decent performance? If I were you, I'd return the i7 model and get the i5 and pocket the extra cash. It really isn't worth going i7 over an i5 in an ultrabook platform.

Link to my post explaining this
 
pelov said:
Why, oh why would you buy this?

That i7 is going to be throttling like mad to keep itself at or below that 17W TDP. The IGP won't run at its full clocks for more than a millisecond before it drops down to idle speeds due to throttling as well.

Were you expecting decent performance? If I were you, I'd return the i7 model and get the i5 and pocket the extra cash. It really isn't worth going i7 over an i5 in an ultrabook platform.

Link to my post explaining this
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You do realise that my i7 is a dual core right?
 
BudAshes said:
How are these laptops getting so much battery life out of 4 cell batteries nowadays?
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IIRC, the power usage on a laptop is split in to thirds (assuming no discrete video)

1/3 CPU
1/3 Screen
1/3 everything else.

LED backlights take less power. Also I'm sure the switching power for the crystal material in the display is probably improving over time. It's also a small, low-res screen.

That's a really low power CPU, so there are savings there.

A few watts are saved by the storage being an SSD (5W-10W), etc.

Also, the advertised values are inflated by not being real-world scenarios.
 
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I just took some pics of the inside,its a no go for more ram.Its all intergrated.The battery is a 4 cell 2900 ma

Now I know why the big price jump to 8gb ram on the site.I just hope its running dual channel and will run some benches soon.The cpu has a nice copper sink mated right on the core with no heatspreader and basically uses the whole metal case to transfer the heat.

pics soon guys!!!

IM still on factory charge and it says 37% with 2 hours left on full power performance mode in windows lol
 
pelov said:
Yes but it also has higher clocks to hit which it will rarely hit anyway. You're paying for extra performance that's sporadic and momentary at best.
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man Iv been using this thing and its its silent and not throttling at all,when I was having 51 temps I didnt realise norton was running and it was at 2500mhz the whole time.

this thing actually runs cold and I looped 3dmark with same or within 2% results.The other side of the fan where the heat sink goes is mated to the metal case to pull heat off it also,very good disign the way everything is placed inside.

I see where intel is going with haswell as my mother board in this thing is basically nothing,its all on a few boards and almost everything is intergrated except for the ssd slot.haswell will make a huge impact on ultrabooks and we might see them hit the 2lb weight mark with haswell

here are some pics

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I've been wanting a thinner, lighter and more portable laptop but after trying out a few, including the much loved Asus zen prime with the 1080p IPS panel, I've been disappointed by them.

I hope yours works out for you. I really was super close to picking up that Sony Vaio T until I managed to talk myself out of it. I'm thinking I may wait for a decent 14" notebook and keep it for a year until we see Haswell. You're right that Haswell architecture certainly seems to have Ultrabooks in mind. Smaller PCBs, on-chip VRMs and standardization in batteries should all mean cheaper ultrabooks and less heat
 
pelov said:
I've been wanting a thinner, lighter and more portable laptop but after trying out a few, including the much loved Asus zen prime with the 1080p IPS panel, I've been disappointed by them.

I hope yours works out for you. I really was super close to picking up that Sony Vaio T until I managed to talk myself out of it. I'm thinking I may wait for a decent 14" notebook and keep it for a year until we see Haswell. You're right that Haswell architecture certainly seems to have Ultrabooks in mind. Smaller PCBs, on-chip VRMs and standardization in batteries should all mean cheaper ultrabooks and less heat
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HP has a 14in but with a 1600 screen but its at 4lbs and a little thicker than the one I got.

I picked the hp because it was all aluminum but the screen res sucks with the one I got
 
Just thinking out loud here, but it might not be too late to return it and get a Zenbook Prime. Asus has a model with a switchable NV 620M and a much nicer 1920x1080 screen, if the iGPU is bothering you that much.
 
Yuriman said:
Just thinking out loud here, but it might not be too late to return it and get a Zenbook Prime. Asus has a model with a switchable NV 620M and a much nicer 1920x1080 screen, if the iGPU is bothering you that much.
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This is the next laptop I'm looking at. I have an asus eee right now with a 12 inch screen and i love that it weighs almost nothing with good battery life, but it is just a little bit slow. You don't realize how accustomed you are to everything being instantaneous until have to move back to something that takes a second to do everything.
 
that asus looks really good with that screen.If only mine had that screen it would be perfect.Im happy tho and like the backlit keyboard and not sure if that zenbook has one but for the money its really nice also.

On a good note this laptop is indeed running dual channel ddr3 1600 and scored 17,000 mb bandwith in aidia 64.

I really would get the 1600x900 over it though because the hd4000 will work harder to push the 1080p and at 13.3in even my 1366 screen looks really good.

I would grab the 1600x900 one if i were to do it again
 
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Ferzerp said:
IIRC, the power usage on a laptop is split in to thirds (assuming no discrete video)

1/3 CPU
1/3 Screen
1/3 everything else.

LED backlights take less power. Also I'm sure the switching power for the crystal material in the display is probably improving over time. It's also a small, low-res screen.

That's a really low power CPU, so there are savings there.

A few watts are saved by the storage being an SSD (5W-10W), etc.

Also, the advertised values are inflated by not being real-world scenarios.
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Also, you don't save anywhere near 5w going from a mechanical drive to an SSD.
If you get a power optimised SSD you might save 1w, but 2.5" drives sip power, and when they only use 2w total during read operations, you can't save 5w.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/advanced-format-1tb-hard-drive,3046-11.html
The main advantage is less time during operations so more time spent in idle power mode.
 
grkM3 said:
ohh and IVY RUNS HOT this thing idles at 47-51 for the cores
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My 35W Merom does idle at around the same temps but the fan is dead silent. Nothing to worry about. They are designed to withstand much bigger temps.

You can ramp up the fan, if you *want* to see lower temps at the expense of acoustics, though 😛


Lonyo said:
If you get a power optimised SSD you might save 1w, but 2.5" drives sip power, and when they only use 2w total during read operations, you can't save 5w.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/advanced-format-1tb-hard-drive,3046-11.html
The main advantage is less time during operations so more time spent in idle power mode.
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True. SSDs are yet to be optimized for power consumption. Targeted for speed at the moment. There are mechanical 1.8/2.5" HDDs that beat SSDs in idle power consumption.
 
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Small update!!!

I had the hd4000 set to ballanced when it scored 15k and just tried to max performance and almost got 17k,not too bad as my old 9600pro ati card used to get that way back in the day.

max core temp hit 84c durning test 1-4 with no breaks for cool down

I think the cpus stayed at 3ghz the whole time but there is no way to tell
 
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