Got my Intel X25-M 80GB SSD up and running

pm

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I bought an Intel X25-M 80GB and it arrived yesterday, and I have it up and running tonight and I have to say that this is undoubtably the most amazing improvement that I've made in my system in as long as I can remember. The only thing that I can remember like this is the time that I bought a 3Dfx Voodoo 3D card and used it to play my first 3D accelerated game.

Vista 64 boots to the desktop in ~22 seconds from the "press any key to boot from CD" until the desktop appears. And the system is immediately responsive when the desktop appears - you can click on things and they come right up as if Vista's not busy loading a whole lot of stuff. The drive is absolutely quiet - which is a bit weird actually - but weird in a nice way. It's completely cool - in fact, it's made out of metal that feels like thick brushed aluminum and it feels cold to the touch. I'm a gamer and Warhammer launches in literally half the time that it used to and the loading sequences between zones feels much faster than it used to. Everything feels much faster than it used to. Even little programs like iTunes, and Firefox that never felt particularly slow feel like they are way faster to load and come up.

I'm upgrading from a Hitatchi 1TB Deskstar - I presume if I had a WD Raptor or Velociraptor, or some RAID0 setup that I wouldn't be so impressed. But coming off of a fairly fast single 7200rpm 1TB drive, this drive is a massive improvement


On the negatives, well, 80GB is pretty small. I had a hard time fitting my Vista Ultimate 64 directory tree, my Program Files and Program Files (x86) directories onto it with room to spare for a couple of my favorite games. I have about 7GB free. And there's still a bunch of games that are left on my "old" 1TB drive. It's supposed to be low power - but 80GB is too little for me to actually use (my photo library alone is 300GB.. the problem of RAW mode and a DSLR), so I have to keep my 1TB drive plugged in. So about the best that I can say is that it probably doesn't add a lot more power to my system. Also on the negatives, I'll admit that I bought mine because I get an employee discount from Intel, and if I hadn't received that discount, I'd be sitting on the sidelines waiting for the prices to drop.

But aside from the small capacity and the retail price, I am amazed. I can tell you that when you can get something a reasonably sized SSD that has performance like this X25-M for something that you consider a reasonable price, you should get one. Because it really makes a huge difference.

Lastly, if I were reading some Intel employee gushing about his new Intel drive, I'd be inclined to be skeptical... although in my defense, Anand sort of gushed in his review too (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...wdoc.aspx?i=3403&p=17). But I think I am first and foremost a hardware geek, and I'm writing here because I'm really excited not because I expect to increase Intel's sales of these things. For one thing, the retail price is more than I think most people - including myself - are comfortable with... and 80GB is pretty small. But I'm excited, and I've been posting at Anandtech for years and so I'm posting my excitement here... because my wife was not at all impressed... so who else am I going to tell.

My system:
Core 2 Duo E6700, 4GB DDR2-667 ECC, DFI Infinity 975X motherboard, 512MB GeForce 8800GT, Intel X25-M 80GB SSD, Hitatchi 1TB Desktstar HD, Vista Ultimate 64-bit.


* Not a spokesperson for Intel Corp.
 

taltamir

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congrats. enjoy your new drive. And yea I believe you, every professional reviewer said the same as you :).
 
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I was a little let down going from my Ultra 320 36Gb drive to a 150 Raptor and by far the SCSI drive served as the most lasting worth while upgrade I did ever. I can't wait till these come out in a larger capacity and lower in price.
 

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I bought the OCZ core2 a while back (was on sale and had a nice rebate as well). I am sure it's no where near your drive... but when I installed my Vista 64 and apps (all my games and storage are on different WD 640 drives) the performance was incredible... mainly as you said, the responsiveness and how quick things boot and time to load the OS. In my case it absolutely SUCKS in installing apps to it.. or trying to do two intensive things at the same time from apps or files that are stored on that drive(like unraring a large ISO on that drive to that drive etc). But I have gotten used to using it only for the OS and running apps... everything else remains on standard drives and I will never go back. I can only imagine how much better yours is.

Good stuff!
 

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I installed mine last night. The Vista installation process seemed a little slower then a HD install but once it was done all I can say is WOW!! Once the computer get's past POST, Vista is up within seconds!! Apps load almost instantly.

A lot of other upgrades can only be seen from running benchmarks but this upgrade is immediately apparent and very compeling.

What I'd like to know is if there are any Vista tweaks needed to optimize it for the X25-M. Should defrag be turned off? Do SSD's even get fragmented? Should I leave indexing on? Is there any online guide to suggested Vista tweaks. Intel doesn't seem to have anything other then the 1 page installation guide.

I can't help but think that Vista could be better optimized when using a SSD. Any suggestions?
 

azilaga

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Congrats. I've been eyeing an SSD purchase the last month or so and can't wait to join the SSD users club.

For those of you having write issues, OCZ forums has some tips and tricks. Check their forums. Most interesting might be the use of SteadyState (non x64 compatible) or TrueCrypt (x64 compatible). Seems the use of either one of those programs in the background forces writes to sequential instead of random writes to give MLC SSD's SLC type performance.
 
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Please stop it.

I'm having a hard enough holding back my trigger finger on this purchase. I don't need you coming in and saying how amazing it is. You're not helping!
 

Denithor

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I want one too, but not bad enough to drop >$500 for an 80GB model.

I'll just wait until maybe next year. I plan to upgrade to Westmere late in the year so maybe by that time the cost of these drives will be more reasonable, capacities will have increased and Windows 7 (optimized for SSD, from what I hear) will be available. Should be a whopper of an upgrade, just gotta wait for it...
 

bob4432

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i just ordered one of the $50 30GB ocz models....and it will be compared to my current fujtisu max 15k hdd, so will see if it will do the trick. of course i will apply the ocz tweaks to give the ssd the best possible chance :).

luckily i was able to get my main drive down to where it should all fit on the 30GB drive, so i will be using it the same exact way i am currently using my max drive.

for me, figured $50 is cheap education and see how well it actually works (or doesn't???)
 

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I am thinking of getting SSD for my Photoshop scratch disk. I checked my photoshop temp files, its a whopping 12 GB. My current Hdd for the scratch is pretty slow 7.2k WD HDD. An operation that need to touch the 12 GB temp is slow, Like 5-8 minutes worth of hard disk thrashing and Photoshop being non responsive during those times. Anyone know how much SSD can improve it ? Can SSD read/write 12 GB in 5-10 seconds ? Or should I spend the money towards getting a system with more memory (I am on 4GB at the moment)? Those disk thrasing really decreases my productivity, I already optimised resolution and everything else in Photoshop. So I really need a hardware solution of some sort. Is SSD the way to go for me ?
 

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I too can't wait till these come down in price. I debated on getting a Raptor for my OS drive only, but decided to wait. Hoping that 200-300GB SSD drives become affordable within a year or so.
 

pm

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An operation that need to touch the 12 GB temp is slow, Like 5-8 minutes worth of hard disk thrashing and Photoshop being non responsive during those times. Anyone know how much SSD can improve it ? Can SSD read/write 12 GB in 5-10 seconds ?
HumbleDan, I would recommend more memory. An Intel X25-M SSD can read at about a peak of roughly 250MB/s (http://www.intel.com/design/fl.../mainstream/index.htm), so it's not going to churn through 12GB in 5-10 seconds. And Intel has argueably the fastest SSD available for purchase now. For manipulating large files quickly, you want more DRAM - how much do you have now?
 
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Originally posted by: pm
An operation that need to touch the 12 GB temp is slow, Like 5-8 minutes worth of hard disk thrashing and Photoshop being non responsive during those times. Anyone know how much SSD can improve it ? Can SSD read/write 12 GB in 5-10 seconds ?
HumbleDan, I would recommend more memory. An Intel X25-M SSD can read at about a peak of roughly 250MB/s (http://www.intel.com/design/fl.../mainstream/index.htm), so it's not going to churn through 12GB in 5-10 seconds. And Intel has argueably the fastest SSD available for purchase now. For manipulating large files quickly, you want more DRAM - how much do you have now?

+1
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: HumbleDan
I am thinking of getting SSD for my Photoshop scratch disk. I checked my photoshop temp files, its a whopping 12 GB. My current Hdd for the scratch is pretty slow 7.2k WD HDD. An operation that need to touch the 12 GB temp is slow, Like 5-8 minutes worth of hard disk thrashing and Photoshop being non responsive during those times. Anyone know how much SSD can improve it ? Can SSD read/write 12 GB in 5-10 seconds ? Or should I spend the money towards getting a system with more memory (I am on 4GB at the moment)? Those disk thrasing really decreases my productivity, I already optimised resolution and everything else in Photoshop. So I really need a hardware solution of some sort. Is SSD the way to go for me ?

what size files are you dealing w/?
 

taltamir

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Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
I was a little let down going from my Ultra 320 36Gb drive to a 150 Raptor and by far the SCSI drive served as the most lasting worth while upgrade I did ever. I can't wait till these come out in a larger capacity and lower in price.

according to intel it would be Q1 2009
 

HumbleDan

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HumbleDan, I would recommend more memory. An Intel X25-M SSD can read at about a peak of roughly 250MB/s (http://www.intel.com/design/fl.../mainstream/index.htm), so it's not going to churn through 12GB in 5-10 seconds. And Intel has argueably the fastest SSD available for purchase now. For manipulating large files quickly, you want more DRAM - how much do you have now?

Ohh 250 MB/s max :( I was hoping for faster speed. I was hoping SSD is going to be my solution. I have 4GB of memory at the moment. But it doesn't really matter because I am on XP and Photoshop on XP can only can used 1.7GB Max. It throws the rest into its own temp file which is around 12GB.

I need to upgrade to Vista64 and CS4 and a new system that can support at least 12GB of RAM. It's going to be a rather expensive upgrade. If SSD can work, I could used an existing system and softwares.

Also reading review of Photoshop CS4, CS4 seems to be really slow for large images and brushes lags. So I am kinda wary of upgrading. I did download the trial version but I haven't try it yet.

What about Raid 0. Can it gives average of 400 MB/s transfer ?

Also how about the wear and tear on it. I read the review on Anand, the review said it can do 100 GB a day for 5 years. If I used it as swap space, will it only last for less then a year before I have to replace it ?

Is there any other options I can look into ? Just for a fast swap space.

what size files are you dealing w/?

I am working with 28800 x 9600 CMYK with about 4-5 layers. Normally I split the image into 4. But I still have to combine it again at the end. And it can take me a good 5-8 minutes of disk thrasing if I forgot to purge or Photoshop decided it needs to go to its temp file.
 

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Originally posted by: HumbleDan
HumbleDan, I would recommend more memory. An Intel X25-M SSD can read at about a peak of roughly 250MB/s (http://www.intel.com/design/fl.../mainstream/index.htm), so it's not going to churn through 12GB in 5-10 seconds. And Intel has argueably the fastest SSD available for purchase now. For manipulating large files quickly, you want more DRAM - how much do you have now?

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What about Raid 0. Can it gives average of 400 MB/s transfer ?

If you want 400+ MB/s you need 2 Intel SSDs in RAID0
 

azilaga

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just got mine too! too bad i'm going on vacation tomorrow and can't install for another 2 wks.
 

Idontcare

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Congrats pm on the new drive and positive experience with it! Thanks for sharing too.

If you have the time/inclination I was wondering if you would indulge me by running CrystalDiskMark on your SSD.

I am particularly interested in the 4k random read/writes. If you can grab a screenshot of the benchrun that would perfect.

For comparison here is what I get on 500GB Hitachi 7200rpm and here is what I get on a 5GB superspeed ram-disk.

I happen to run an app that tends to make very small (1KB or less) changes to a file and if the 4KB read/write speed is spindle-drive slow then it becomes the rate limiting step in the speed of my application so I use the ram-drive to house the app's files. I'm interested to see how well these Intel SSD's do in this particular metric of success.
 

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Originally posted by: pm
For one thing, the retail price is more than I think most people - including myself - are comfortable with... and 80GB is pretty small.

heh, employee discount? i knew i should've gotten two of them.

you're right though, the SSD upgrade is upstaging the nehalem, which was supposed to be the main event.

vista boot time is down to 20 seconds, call of duty world at war stage load times are ~5 seconds. very impressive.
 

taltamir

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Originally posted by: Rebel44
Originally posted by: HumbleDan
HumbleDan, I would recommend more memory. An Intel X25-M SSD can read at about a peak of roughly 250MB/s (http://www.intel.com/design/fl.../mainstream/index.htm), so it's not going to churn through 12GB in 5-10 seconds. And Intel has argueably the fastest SSD available for purchase now. For manipulating large files quickly, you want more DRAM - how much do you have now?

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What about Raid 0. Can it gives average of 400 MB/s transfer ?

If you want 400+ MB/s you need 2 Intel SSDs in RAID0

exactly... 250 MB/s is more then twice the speed of a velociraptor. I don't see how you can take the fastest driver in the world and call it "only"
 

HumbleDan

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I didn't mean it like that. I was really hoping it was multiple time faster and can saturate the SATA 6Gb/s that had been proposed. Will future SSD be capable of that kind of speed ?
 

pm

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Congrats pm on the new drive and positive experience with it! Thanks for sharing too.

If you have the time/inclination I was wondering if you would indulge me by running CrystalDiskMark on your SSD.

I am particularly interested in the 4k random read/writes. If you can grab a screenshot of the benchrun that would perfect.

For comparison here is what I get on 500GB Hitachi 7200rpm and here is what I get on a 5GB superspeed ram-disk.

I happen to run an app that tends to make very small (1KB or less) changes to a file and if the 4KB read/write speed is spindle-drive slow then it becomes the rate limiting step in the speed of my application so I use the ram-drive to house the app's files. I'm interested to see how well these Intel SSD's do in this particular metric of success.

Nice RAM disk. Wow. That's humbling. My shiny new X25-M doesn't look so cool any more. :)

On this metric, apparently not so great - especially compared to your RAM disk.

I don't have a photobucket account, so I'll just copy the numbers over by hand.

The numbers for the X25-M are:
Read (MB/s) Write (MB/s)
Seq: 230.2 78.51
512K: 154.8 78.67
4K: 17.98 43.92

and for my Hitatchi 750GB (I swap clone images back and forth with the 1TB - and it's the 750's turn this week):

Read (MB/s) Write (MB/s)
Seq: 76.65 72.01
512K: 41.42 53.47
4K: 0.685 1.476

If you want screenshots (for an article for example), I'll make an account and can post them tonight.



Originally posted by: HumbleDan
I didn't mean it like that. I was really hoping it was multiple time faster and can saturate the SATA 6Gb/s that had been proposed. Will future SSD be capable of that kind of speed ?

I'm sure in the distant future they will... :) In the near term, I could think that a 10x improvement in read speed isn't too unlikely in the next 2-3 years (just my guess, not any insider information... mostly based on the experiments that Micron's been doing that have been reported). That would exceed 6Gb/s by a long-shot (250MB/s x 10 is 2.5GB/s => ~20Gb/s)

For the present though, why do you need to upgrade to CS4 if you were to upgrade to something like Windows XP 64?



 

HumbleDan

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Good to hear they are making progress.

CS2 is 32bit Only. CS2 on Windows x64 can only used around 3 GB of RAM max, before it throw everything to hard disk. I need CS4 which is the first Photoshop that has 64 bit build. But I've been reading poor performance problems when you actually work with large images. So I wanted to wait until Adobe sort things out before spending several grands on the whole upgrade. But I want to try Raid0 see if it is good enough.

If I wanted to use SSD as scratch with around 12 GB temp file, how long before the drive fail and I have to replace it ?
 

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I agree, X25-M is an amazing drive. Apparently the controller also dynamically optimizes performance to fit to usage patterns.

1st one, Oct 23, 2008
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As you can see on the last pic, the dip shown at 20% disappeared after prolonged usage.

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I actually have 3 drives, the main and OS drive is the X25-M. I also have WD360GD Raptor(the previous main drive) and a 160GB Seagate 7200RPM drive for storage.

No, in the beginning the benefits wasn't too much apparent. There also seemed to be slight delay which may or may not have been the drive. Now, after weeks of usage its faster. Any doubts I had in the beginning isn't there anymore.

The SSD runs so cool and since I didn't have a 2.5 to 3.5 inch mount its sitting on top of the other hard drives acting as a heatsink :D.