Got my IBM! With pics (WWII was a helluva deal)

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Dunno of any other time in the past, and don't think there will ever be such an effort in the future. Pretty amazing at the number of bidnesses that were into the war effort. Been working on finding one of these (IBM) for a while and finally found one.

International Business Machines M1 Carbine

Typical rebuild mixmaster, but has a few things going for it. Non-import and original receiver/barrel. Receiver is in the 3.7M range which puts it in early 1944. Rebuilt at the Benicia arsenal and updated with all the post war stuff (adjustable rear sight, bayonet lug, etc).

These things used to sell for $125 or so, and for some reason the price has shot up for some reason. Poor condition ones start at $450, and complete builds go for about $1500. Insane prices, but was lucky enough to find what I wanted, and at a super low price.

Chambered for .30 Carbine. Was supposed to be a comprimise between the 1911 and the Garand. You can see from the ammo pics the difference. So you get 15 or 30 .30 Carbine rounds, or 8 .30-06 rounds. I think I'd have to choose the .30-06. Thems .30s Carbines are small.

Just a piece of history and thought I'd pass it along

Front

Left

Another left

IBM barrel marking

No pic of the receiver, the camera sucks, was lucky to get the IBM barrel stamp focused.

15 round clip, .30 Carbine round, .30-06 round, Garand en-bloc clip

.30 Carbine and a .30-06 and a thing of chapstick

15 round magazine made by General Motors

UI on the magazine stands for Inland (the General Motors plant, they also made the Carbines) Union Works.

 

[UberDave]

lol i thought you ment computer

 

[SWirth86]

Originally posted by: UberDave
lol i thought you ment computer

 

[Bulk Beef]

Cool. There's some guy who re-chambers those things for some goofy gigantic .50 cartridge or something like that.

They were actually developed for people who didn't really shoot for a living, like cooks, clerks and drivers.

 

[Booster]

Now this is really a Deathstar...

 

[Maverick]

hopefully this was more reliable than the 75GXPs that IBM made

 

[Atrail]

How much is a super low price?

 

[narzy]

sure beats the hell outta big blue...

 

[dolph]

yeah, but who did ibm make it for? ibm and the holocaust

 

[WhiteWonder]

wow, the strap looks new!

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: dolph
yeah, but who did ibm make it for? <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0609607995/qid=1033598975/sr=12-1/002-8346391-4908060?v=glance" target=blank>ibm and the holocaust</A>

Heh, now do the right thing, Bruno.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: WhiteWonder
wow, the strap looks new!

Yeah it's a new D-tip sling. USGI, but certainly not 60 years old

They were actually developed for people who didn't really shoot for a living, like cooks, clerks and drivers.

Yup. Near the end of WWI the Ordinance Department wanted something that was small, light, and could be quickly produced. It never materialized and in 1939 when the poop hit the fan, they sent out the request again to the big manufacters. Winchester came up with the original plan (designed by a serial killer) and was approved. Became (until recently) the fastest produced weapon in the world. Like 6 million rifles over a few years. Lots of folks made them, off the top of my head;

General Motors (2 plants made them, Inland and Saiginaw Gear)
IBM
Winchester
National Postal Meter
Rock-Ola Music
Standard Products

and several others. Went alongside things like the M3A1 in tanks and whoever else needed something small. You'd think with 6mil made that they would be cheap :|

Picked it up for $500 shipped (included sling and oiler). Price for the same thing on the auction sites is about $800.

yeah, but who did ibm make it for?

IBM didn't make complete rifles, they were shipped out and completed and then sent out. I doubt many made it to the Nazis

 

[Analog]

Nice, looks like its in great shape. An M2 stock - does it have the M2 internals????

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Nice, looks like its in great shape. An M2 stock - does it have the M2 internals????

lol NO! Trigger housing is IBM and internals are standard mix (most S'G' for Saiginaw Gear, the GM plant). AFAIK the only M2 part is the mag release and catch. Underlined M.

I saw an M2 for sale not too long ago for $3k. Didn't actually get to see it, but sounded a little low so was probably in pretty poor shape. An M2 trigger group goes for $3k alone.

What gave it away that it was an M2 stock? It's a Winchester M2 with BA4 stamp on the side and P proofs on the bottom.

In a few months when I gots more $$$ will look for a flat IBM bolt and IBM stock ($75 and $100 respectively). Will probably send it off to Dean's for a repark and wood work.

 

[ElFenix]

<keanu>whoa</keanu>

 

[Bulk Beef]

Tim LeGendre of LeMAG is the guy that does the big bore conversions on those things. They're pretty crazy. M1 Carbine in .45 Win Mag or .50 AE. He does an M-14 in .338 Win Mag also. It uses BAR magazines.

Not that you would actually want to do any of that, but if you get really bored of the little .30 rounds...

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

lol sounds like an odd conversion. Wondering how safe that would be too, using a 60 year old receiver. Does he do them on regular rifles or the newer ones (like IAI or whatever).

Speaking of the BAR. I would really, really like one of those Ohio Ordinance BARs. Semi-auto and new. They look killer, but cost $3500+ Kinda high for me I'd rather have an original 41 Johnson for that price.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Nice, looks like its in great shape. An M2 stock - does it have the M2 internals????

lol NO! Trigger housing is IBM and internals are standard mix (most S'G' for Saiginaw Gear, the GM plant). AFAIK the only M2 part is the mag release and catch. Underlined M.

I saw an M2 for sale not too long ago for $3k. Didn't actually get to see it, but sounded a little low so was probably in pretty poor shape. An M2 trigger group goes for $3k alone.

What gave it away that it was an M2 stock? It's a Winchester M2 with BA4 stamp on the side and P proofs on the bottom.

In a few months when I gots more $$$ will look for a flat IBM bolt and IBM stock ($75 and $100 respectively). Will probably send it off to Dean's for a repark and wood work.

M2 stocks are easy to spot. They have the "potbelly" forend. WWII stocks are flat on the bottom..