Got my 1907FP today... I'll let you know what I think

Ilmater

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I'm a bit nervous about what I'm going to think of it given that I'm so accustomed to the CRT right now, but I'm anxious to take that massive weight off my desk and free up some desk space.

Any tips for this first-time LCD user?
 

Noema

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I got my first LCD about a month ago and I could never go back to CRT...I was lucky too; no dead pixels, absolutely no ghosting. I love it.

By the way...that 19" CTR must have been a real technological marvel 10 years ago...heck, most monitors barely went over 14" those days!

May I ask how much it costed you when you got it?

 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: Noema
By the way...that 19" CTR must have been a real technological marvel 10 years ago...heck, most monitors barely went over 14" those days!

May I ask how much it costed you when you got it?
It was an extra $100 (I think) over the rest of my Dell system. And I just recalculated, and it was only 8 years ago that I got it. Still impressive, but not AS impressive. I've had that thing for nearly 1/3 of my life.
 

Ilmater

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Sweet! I got a Sammy! I was alright with the AUO panel, but I understand the Samsung panel is better.

Also checked for a dead pixel, and none were to be found. Now if I could just find that Cleartype setting...

Edit: Found it... thank god for that. Good lord text is bad without that!
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Sweet! I got a Sammy! I was alright with the AUO panel, but I understand the Samsung panel is better.

Also checked for a dead pixel, and none were to be found. Now if I could just find that Cleartype setting...

Edit: Found it... thank god for that. Good lord text is bad without that!

Use "ClearType tuner" to make it even better.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Ilmater
Sweet! I got a Sammy! I was alright with the AUO panel, but I understand the Samsung panel is better.

Also checked for a dead pixel, and none were to be found. Now if I could just find that Cleartype setting...

Edit: Found it... thank god for that. Good lord text is bad without that!

Use "ClearType tuner" to make it even better.
Will do... now what is the best way to adjust my colors? I checked Hotmail, and I can barely tell the new messages (in that light yellow) to the old ones (in white). I heard that was a good test, but I don't know what that means.

Edit: You're the man. Thank you so much. That is fantastic.
 

xtknight

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See my tool at the end of this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1835601&enterthread=y

I just use Advanced Mode in NVIDIA gamma control panel and customly define a curve that best makes the colors evenly stepped and linear. I add/adjust points on the curve until I'm satisfied. Before I calibrated my monitor like this, I found myself constantly adjusting my settings swearing I'd never get them right. Now that I've used that gamma calibration method I haven't touched my monitor's controls at all. Midtones are saturated enough, black level is low enough, and white level is high enough.

I use CMY to calibrate it because RGB is harder for me to see personally (harder to determine if the darker ends are evenly stepped or not). C is just G+B, M is R+B, and Y is R+G, so you're calibrating the same thing while making it easier to see what/how you're adjusting. I have never gotten my monitor calibrated this well using RGB scales. My monitor's default gamma is dreadful in comparison. Using the ICM color profiles is a bad idea IMO. Custom calibration is better. Unless of course you create an ICM from your custom gamma. If you don't know what ICM profiles are, you're not using them. :)

Adobe Gamma adjustment has also paled in comparison to my CMY scales from my experience. It's also important to make sure the grayscale is linear, but once you get the CMY scales all linear, the grayscale will also become linear. The only downside is that it takes some time. You have to make sure there's no red/green/blue tinge on the grayscale either. You have to individually adjust every curve of R, G, B in Advanced Mode gamma (or equivalent on ATI cards).

Once you have this calibrated though, ClearType will experience less color fringing on text, and antialiasing will work a lot better. Colors will automatically have more contrast against each other because your monitor has been calibrated to match its abilities. It doesn't make the red more red on your screen per se, it makes the green and blue less red, and you perceive the red as more red, if you get what I mean. This is the same idea as High Dynamic Range tone mapping (definitely not HDR bloom though).

So, overview:

1. Adjust brightness and contrast until black level is dark enough and white level is bright enough. Make sure it doesn't hurt your eyes, and that none of the grayscale becomes clipped because of brightness/contrast instability. (Make sure that no colors disappear into black or white or likewise into black or cyan, black or magenta, and black or yellow, respectively per each scale).

2. Proceed to calibrate gamma with CMY+grayscale program.

3. Readjust ClearType gamma to your liking. There's another program that can calibrate ClearType to 100x the precision of Microsoft's tuner.

4. Write the settings down on paper so you don't have to do all this again. And save the color profile. For NVIDIA I export this registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\NVTweak\Devices\VEN_10DE&DEV_0092&SUBSYS_C5183842&REV_A1&INST00\Color

You will have the same registry key except for a different Device ID (VEN_, etc.). Export that and import it next time you reinstall drivers and you'll be all set. If you change cards, you'll have to change every instance of your current device ID in the .reg file (VEN_,_DEV_,etc) with your new card's ID. If it's a different GPU manufacturer (NVIDIA->ATI change for example you'll have to calibrate again unfortunately, importing it is not easy then). And don't forget, using Digital Vibrance or boosting Saturation is a cardinal sin for calibration. You might have to adjust color components on your monitor's OSD too. Here's what I use now on my VP930b: Red: 94%, Green: 100%, Blue: 89%. The lower blue helps cancel out the fluorescent backlight tinge. Your results may vary though. Generally you should be able to leave all color components at 100% and still get very desirable calibration by using video card gamma and not messing with monitor settings other than brightness/contrast.
 

Ilmater

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You're the man. Thank you so much for your help.

As has been said before, it was definitely too bright before, but it's fantastic now. GREAT picture.
 

Noema

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Originally posted by: xtknight
See my tool at the end of this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1835601&enterthread=y

I just use Advanced Mode in NVIDIA gamma control panel and customly define a curve that best makes the colors evenly stepped and linear. I add/adjust points on the curve until I'm satisfied. Before I calibrated my monitor like this, I found myself constantly adjusting my settings swearing I'd never get them right. Now that I've used that gamma calibration method I haven't touched my monitor's controls at all. Midtones are saturated enough, black level is low enough, and white level is high enough.

I use CMY to calibrate it because RGB is harder for me to see personally (harder to determine if the darker ends are evenly stepped or not). C is just G+B, M is R+B, and Y is R+G, so you're calibrating the same thing while making it easier to see what/how you're adjusting. I have never gotten my monitor calibrated this well using RGB scales. My monitor's default gamma is dreadful in comparison. Using the ICM color profiles is a bad idea IMO. Custom calibration is better. Unless of course you create an ICM from your custom gamma. If you don't know what ICM profiles are, you're not using them. :)

Adobe Gamma adjustment has also paled in comparison to my CMY scales from my experience. It's also important to make sure the grayscale is linear, but once you get the CMY scales all linear, the grayscale will also become linear. The only downside is that it takes some time. You have to make sure there's no red/green/blue tinge on the grayscale either. You have to individually adjust every curve of R, G, B in Advanced Mode gamma (or equivalent on ATI cards).

Once you have this calibrated though, ClearType will experience less color fringing on text, and antialiasing will work a lot better. Colors will automatically have more contrast against each other because your monitor has been calibrated to match its abilities. It doesn't make the red more red on your screen per se, it makes the green and blue less red, and you perceive the red as more red, if you get what I mean. This is the same idea as High Dynamic Range tone mapping (definitely not HDR bloom though).

So, overview:

1. Adjust brightness and contrast until black level is dark enough and white level is bright enough. Make sure it doesn't hurt your eyes, and that none of the grayscale becomes clipped because of brightness/contrast instability. (Make sure that no colors disappear into black or white or likewise into black or cyan, black or magenta, and black or yellow, respectively per each scale).

2. Proceed to calibrate gamma with CMY+grayscale program.

3. Readjust ClearType gamma to your liking. There's another program that can calibrate ClearType to 100x the precision of Microsoft's tuner.

4. Write the settings down on paper so you don't have to do all this again. And save the color profile. For NVIDIA I export this registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\NVTweak\Devices\VEN_10DE&DEV_0092&SUBSYS_C5183842&REV_A1&INST00\Color

You will have the same registry key except for a different Device ID (VEN_, etc.). Export that and import it next time you reinstall drivers and you'll be all set. If you change cards, you'll have to change every instance of your current device ID in the .reg file (VEN_,_DEV_,etc) with your new card's ID. If it's a different GPU manufacturer (NVIDIA->ATI change for example you'll have to calibrate again unfortunately, importing it is not easy then). And don't forget, using Digital Vibrance or boosting Saturation is a cardinal sin for calibration. You might have to adjust color components on your monitor's OSD too. Here's what I use now on my VP930b: Red: 94%, Green: 100%, Blue: 89%. The lower blue helps cancel out the fluorescent backlight tinge. Your results may vary though. Generally you should be able to leave all color components at 100% and still get very desirable calibration by using video card gamma and not messing with monitor settings other than brightness/contrast.

These are some amazing tips.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

Ilmater

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One thing I'm noticing is that if I'm not looking directly at a pixel, they seem a little red. If I turn completely to the side of the monitor, the whole screen looks red. Is that normal?
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
One thing I'm noticing is that if I'm not looking directly at a pixel, they seem a little red. If I turn completely to the side of the monitor, the whole screen looks red. Is that normal?

From the bottom or from the sides? From the bottom it should totally invert on that type of LCD, and on the sides, I'm not sure, it varies. Grayscale inverts from the sides on TNs too, so you may see more red or more blue/green compared on what image you have up on the screen.
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Ilmater
Sweet! I got a Sammy! I was alright with the AUO panel, but I understand the Samsung panel is better.

Also checked for a dead pixel, and none were to be found. Now if I could just find that Cleartype setting...

Edit: Found it... thank god for that. Good lord text is bad without that!

Use "ClearType tuner" to make it even better.

Yo whats that?
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Nextman916
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Ilmater
Sweet! I got a Sammy! I was alright with the AUO panel, but I understand the Samsung panel is better.

Also checked for a dead pixel, and none were to be found. Now if I could just find that Cleartype setting...

Edit: Found it... thank god for that. Good lord text is bad without that!

Use "ClearType tuner" to make it even better.

Yo whats that?

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/ClearType-Tuner-PowerToy.shtml