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Muse

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Sounds like something that can be easily solved.

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The mighty tinfoil hat serves two purposes. It blocks all that nasty radiation and it keeps you from believing in rants based on really really shaky science. Wait, it's also a great fashion statement and for all we know it can repel Covid-19 too. Four purposes!!
Tempting, but honestly I like the ethernet solution better. I think I should consider it. Turn off wifi on the laptop and go wired! There's still going to be EMFs (probably of various kinds) coming from the laptop, but at least the wifi won't happen for data to and from my router. Should be quicker too, although my speeds are decent using wifi.

To do ethernet here in my bedroom I'd have to run cable maybe 120 feet up into and across and down from my attic to my bedroom. I have the cable already, the connectors, the crimper... it's one more project.
 
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Muse

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Multimeter with a gauss meter? Psh you need some more hardcore measurement stuff like this https://www.theemcshop.com/22-rent-emc-antennas-tripod-emi-rf-combilog-horn-lpa-isotropic. Don't forget a $40k analyzer and amp and such to run it.
The setup I have is primitive, but works decent if you know how to use it. The gauss pickup is directional, so you really need to rotate it a couple times to get the orthogonal readings and, basically, guesstimate the overall result. Not hard to do. Or, you could do the root mean square thing if you want to be thorough.
 
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These days if you just wear a lab coat and people will call you an expert ;)
I'm watching this really fabulous video on covid-19. It's long but this guy knows his stuff, I am figuring him for a professor. But he isn't in a labcoat. He's wearing a T shirt and a baseball cap. I recommend this if you want the nuts and bolts of what's going on with this virus.
 
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Unless you understand the operational aspects of a cellular radio, both at the tower and in the headset, then trying to measure a problem and then trying to put forward mitigation solutions is damn near impossible. I've been working in cellular RAN for a decade now and even with my background in Physics and Mathematics I can conclude saying this topic makes four particle statistical solutions look like 1st grad arithmetic.
 

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I only recently got out my microwave as my wife loves to microwave things (she never had one before so she will burn things alot because she still is not sure how long to nuke things for) didnt listen to the whole 1 hour so not sure whats the worst things you can do stand in front the microwave?
The rule of thumb on a microwave is to stand at least 4 feet away while it's nuking your whatever. You're not gonna fry if you stand closer, you're gonna absorb the energy for X number of seconds. Those seconds accumulate. Obviously you're gonna be closer than that when you turn it on. You just don't want to make a habit of standing 2 feet away for a couple minutes at a time. Damn things are noisy anyway, so standing a few feet away makes sense from that perspective too.

I have had 1/2 dozen plus microwaves and still have a few in my garage waiting for me to rip the permanent magnets out (they are fun and handy) and toss the rest.

I hate most microwaves and researched and paid up front more than most cost to get the unit that I figure I'm gonna be happy with for... well, forever as it were... i.e. indefinitely. So easy, convenient, doesn't have a damn carousel. I love this thing:

Sharp R-21LCFS 1000w Commercial Microwave w/ Dial Control
 

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I don't take medical and/or living advice from youtube. If there's a health risk, post the peer reviewed studies.
Gonna have to agree with lxskllr. The video should have included links to a study or preferably links to a Meta-analysis. The people doing the studies also need to be scrutinized to see if they have an agenda. For example she could be getting money from a POTS company.
 

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I fear most on hear fail to see the complexity in the math in trying to produce real world assessments. Trivial is on the opposite side of the solution spectrum.
 

killster1

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Yes to your questions: brain cancer, breast cancer, sperm count reduction. Watch the damn thing and decide for yourself. She's dedicating her life to helping the human race and is a serious scientist. She heads up an organization that deals in environmental issues. Are you anti-science? Yes, you should be skeptical of much that is on Youtube, but everything? Don't be an ass.
Today, most radiation-induced brain tumors are caused by radiation to the head given to treat other cancers. They occur most often in people who received radiation to the brain as children as part of their treatment for leukemia. These brain tumors usually develop around 10 to 15 years after the radiation

Looks well made but 6 minutes max on the timer seems a bit light for home use.
its for jobs aka commercial microwave, they dont want people microwaving African fish for 30 mins in the break room :p (happens at my work with something similar to that just they have digital pad instead and they override the presets)

you seriously are 80 years old and worried about your nuts? ( you put a 2" sweatshirt under your laptop to protect you rnuts from wifi lolololol) go get a lead blanket for xray use.
 

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Looks well made but 6 minutes max on the timer seems a bit light for home use.
Perhaps, but I have had mine maybe 2 years and have never set the timer beyond 2.5 minutes. After say 2 minutes, it's a good time to mix/rotate the contents and reset for more time if needed... that would be true even for a unit with a carousel. This has, I believe, a system that has more equitable distribution of energy so rotation isn't a big deal. I like that I can put a mug inside and have the handle facing me when I open the door.
 
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you seriously are 80 years old and worried about your nuts? ( you put a 2" sweatshirt under your laptop to protect you rnuts from wifi lolololol) go get a lead blanket for xray use.
I'm not 80, have around 35 more years to get there. I'm concerned with any radiation (or any other avoidable environmental or ingestion factors) that increase me chances developing cancer.

I realized that 2" of sweatshirt wasn't going to stop radiation, but it did give a bit more distance... i.e. 2". It was better than nothing and then put the machine to the side, a much better solution. Now I'm thinking ethernet! Even with that there's whatever the machine puts out with wireless turned off.
 
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Unfortunately (or I guess fortunately), it looks like this lady is a twit on this particular subject.
 

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they dont want people microwaving African fish for 30 mins in the break room :p (happens at my work with something similar to that just they have digital pad instead and they override the presets)


Are you implying said fish was just a tad over-cooked? :p

My guess is that 6 minutes is likely more then sufficient for a gas-station burrito as well!


My ex-wife has an older 1500 watt commercial-grade Whirlpool that has a key-pad with heavy-duty metal buttons.

Freaking thing weighs like 60 lbs and brings a coffee-mug of cold water to a rolling boil in less then a minute!



I realized that 2" of sweatshirt wasn't going to stop radiation


Hopefully you've considered this already but just in case ... what your sweatshirt most definitely WILL stop is air-flow into your laptop. Most likely won't destroy a modern LT unless you do it all the time, but it very likely will cause your CPU to "throttle".
 
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There is good science on YouTube although you definitely have to be extra cautious about trusting it and science by its nature can be wrong sometimes.

I don't like video, and I don't trust "experts". All kinds of presumably smart people say stupid shit that doesn't mean much, Ben Carson is a good example. He's allegedly a good brain surgeon, but every time he opens his mouth, something retarded falls out. Is there any evidence for her claims, or is she just making noise? Is brain cancer increasing? Finger cancer? Anything??

You're misusing "expert" there. Its one thing to speak with regards to what your expertise actually is (for instance, with Carson if he's speaking about actually performing brain surgery then sure he'd qualify, but all his political-based stuff including most of it related to healthcare, certainly doesn't, its always stupid shit that he obviously is not an expert in/at). Hell wasn't he picked to head up some housing commission before getting shitcanned because he had some extravagant renovations done while demonizing poor people that struggle to afford rent?

From what I can tell, she could qualify as an expert on this topic. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with her conclusions, but I also don't totally agree with some of the people saying we'd know by now as the cancer rates would show it. It wasn't until the 2000s that most people had access to cell phones, and wasn't until the 2010s that people had smartphones (which would seem to have increased rates of cell phone use, as well as older phones have extended antenna and things like that). I'm also not sure how 4G and 5G would compare, or expected to compare in radiation levels. It can take decades to show the increased cancer rates as it can take that long for the cumulative affects to manifest.

So this isn't a bullshit way of using an expert like say the dishonest assholes that made the shitty "Loose Change" documentary using finance "experts" to discuss building engineering. Or more recently the motherfucker that tried making it seem like he was one of the doctors from Stanford, spreading misinformation about the pandemic (the guy is associated with Stanford but he's like a history professor or some shit and had absolutely nothing to do with the Stanford medical department).

Certainly claims need data that holds up to scrutiny no matter your expertise. She seems to be suggesting that the industry is acting like tobacco companies by manipulating the science (i.e. funding counter-research, shutting out other funding, trying to bury negative studies, paying scientists in order to bias them). Which the telecom industry can be very scummy but I'm not sure its necessarily that they're trying to cover up some major health risk due to increased radiation levels from using cell phones, and there's been other situations (the Wakefield study that led to the idiocy about mercury and vaccines and autism) where there's a good reason why you need to scrutinize how the sciences is being done.

Which, she's right there's definitely issues with...forget the term "corporate capture" or something like that, where we end up with people from the corporations in positions where they're tasked with regulating those companies, which leads to serious conflicts of interest. To a certain extent you need people that know the market, but there can certainly be problems (and you can tell). Which, a lot of people expected the previous FCC chair, Wheeler, to be that way as he was head of one of the telecom industry groups, but he listened to the people and saw how clearly telecoms had been f'ing people and tried to do something about it. The current chair is a fucking industry stooge (he was formerly a lawyer for Verizon) and is incredibly corrupt.

And sometimes, even experts in the field can be simply wrong. I recall some person, think maybe a professor at Berkeley, who is an expert in the field getting tripped up by the term "High Fructose Corn Syrup" where he assumed that meant it had higher fructose than normal sucrose (table sugar) even though the ratio is fairly close (about 50/50 fructose/glucose). To be fair to him, it is a little odd to call something High ____ when it its like 50/50 with something else.
 
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There is good science on YouTube although you definitely have to be extra cautious about trusting it and science by its nature can be wrong sometimes.



You're misusing "expert" there. Its one thing to speak with regards to what your expertise actually is (for instance, with Carson if he's speaking about actually performing brain surgery then sure he'd qualify, but all his political-based stuff including most of it related to healthcare, certainly doesn't, its always stupid shit that he obviously is not an expert in/at). Hell wasn't he picked to head up some housing commission before getting shitcanned because he had some extravagant renovations done while demonizing poor people that struggle to afford rent?

From what I can tell, she could qualify as an expert on this topic. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with her conclusions, but I also don't totally agree with some of the people saying we'd know by now as the cancer rates would show it. It wasn't until the 2000s that most people had access to cell phones, and wasn't until the 2010s that people had smartphones (which would seem to have increased rates of cell phone use, as well as older phones have extended antenna and things like that). I'm also not sure how 4G and 5G would compare, or expected to compare in radiation levels. It can take decades to show the increased cancer rates as it can take that long for the cumulative affects to manifest.

So this isn't a bullshit way of using an expert like say the dishonest assholes that made the shitty "Loose Change" documentary using finance "experts" to discuss building engineering. Or more recently the motherfucker that tried making it seem like he was one of the doctors from Stanford, spreading misinformation about the pandemic (the guy is associated with Stanford but he's like a history professor or some shit and had absolutely nothing to do with the Stanford medical department).

Certainly claims need data that holds up to scrutiny no matter your expertise. She seems to be suggesting that the industry is acting like tobacco companies by manipulating the science (i.e. funding counter-research, shutting out other funding, trying to bury negative studies, paying scientists in order to bias them). Which the telecom industry can be very scummy but I'm not sure its necessarily that they're trying to cover up some major health risk due to increased radiation levels from using cell phones, and there's been other situations (the Wakefield study that led to the idiocy about mercury and vaccines and autism) where there's a good reason why you need to scrutinize how the sciences is being done.

Which, she's right there's definitely issues with...forget the term "corporate capture" or something like that, where we end up with people from the corporations in positions where they're tasked with regulating those companies, which leads to serious conflicts of interest. To a certain extent you need people that know the market, but there can certainly be problems (and you can tell). Which, a lot of people expected the previous FCC chair, Wheeler, to be that way as he was head of one of the telecom industry groups, but he listened to the people and saw how clearly telecoms had been f'ing people and tried to do something about it. The current chair is a fucking industry stooge (he was formerly a lawyer for Verizon) and is incredibly corrupt.

And sometimes, even experts in the field can be simply wrong. I recall some person, think maybe a professor at Berkeley, who is an expert in the field getting tripped up by the term "High Fructose Corn Syrup" where he assumed that meant it had higher fructose than normal sucrose (table sugar) even though the ratio is fairly close (about 50/50 fructose/glucose). To be fair to him, it is a little odd to call something High ____ when it its like 50/50 with something else.
It looks like she has a history of being purposefully intellectually dishonest on this topic (or at least it can certainly look that way). That may be non purposeful on her part due to her own biases, which makes it better as it's non malicious, I guess? But it's bad science.
 

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Gonna have to agree with lxskllr. The video should have included links to a study or preferably links to a Meta-analysis. The people doing the studies also need to be scrutinized to see if they have an agenda. For example she could be getting money from a POTS company.

Why would she do that? She is just trying to sell her book, everything is in there...

Here is a rebuttal:
 
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Why would she do that? She is just trying to sell her book, everything is in there...

Here is a rebuttal:
I'll just remark that the link above is from 5 years before the video presentation in the OP.
 

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When I carry my cell phone in my pocket it's always in airplane mode. I used to do that just to save the battery (which that does very very well). I don't expect calls on it unless I'm out of town, that's the way I roll (so far), so no reason to have it not in airplane mode if in my pocket. I use my land line for telephone communication otherwise. I'll turn on wifi if I want app support or to communicate with my network at home. But if I put it in my pocket, it's in airplane mode.
 

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When I carry my cell phone in my pocket it's always in airplane mode. I used to do that just to save the battery (which that does very very well). I don't expect calls on it unless I'm out of town, that's the way I roll (so far), so no reason to have it not in airplane mode if in my pocket. I use my land line for telephone communication otherwise. I'll turn on wifi if I want app support or to communicate with my network at home. But if I put it in my pocket, it's in airplane mode.
that seems pretty smart if you truly are afraid of the signals, i suppose i could do the same. i only care about my work calling in the middle of the night and usually have everyone i care about with me already :)
 

quikah

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I'll just remark that the link above is from 5 years before the video presentation in the OP.

It is a rebuttal of her book "Disconnect: The Truth About Cell Phone Radiation, What the Industry Has Done to Hide It, and How to Protect Your Family" which was published in 2010. Seems pretty relevant to me.
 

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It is a rebuttal of her book "Disconnect: The Truth About Cell Phone Radiation, What the Industry Has Done to Hide It, and How to Protect Your Family" which was published in 2010. Seems pretty relevant to me.
I'm not saying it's not relevant, just that it was 5 years before the video in the OP. Maybe she's changed her thinking, I'd think so. A scientist is supposed to keep growing as a person.