got a .US domain? give up your right to privacy!

richardycc

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got this from godaddy today.


Today I have the unfortunate responsibility of informing you that there has been a decision made by bureaucrats of a Federal agency that takes away your right to privacy as guaranteed by the United States Constitution.

This decision was unilaterally made by the National Telecommunications and Information Association ("NTIA") www.ntia.doc.gov without hearings that would determine the impact on those affected, and delivered without notice ? in short, the NTIA decision was made without due process of any kind. This is exactly how our government is not supposed to work.

The effect of this decision is to disallow new private domain name registrations on .US domain names. In addition, if you already own a private .US domain name registration, you will be forced to forfeit your privacy no later than January 26, 2006. By that time, you will need to choose between either making your personal information available to anyone who wants to see it, or giving up your right to that domain name.

I personally find it ironic that our right to .US privacy was stripped away, without due process, by a federal government agency ? an agency that should be looking out for our individual rights. For the NTIA to choose the .US extension is the ultimate slap in your face. .US is the only domain name that is specifically intended for Americans (and also those who have a physical presence in our great country). So think about this for a moment. These bureaucrats stripped away the privacy that you're entitled to as an American, on the only domain name that says that you are an American. I am outraged by this ? you should be also.
 

Argo

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Kinda makes sense. When I see a .US domain I expect it to be a government site.
 
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Originally posted by: Argo
Kinda makes sense. When I see a .US domain I expect it to be a government site.

i expect a .gov site to be a goverenment site...do you evpect every .tv site to be about a television show as well? :confused:
 

ondarkness

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Originally posted by: quakefiend420
Originally posted by: Argo
Kinda makes sense. When I see a .US domain I expect it to be a government site.

i expect a .gov site to be a goverenment site...do you evpect every .tv site to be about a television show as well? :confused:

seriously..... :disgust:
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: quakefiend420
Originally posted by: Argo
Kinda makes sense. When I see a .US domain I expect it to be a government site.

i expect a .gov site to be a goverenment site...do you evpect every .tv site to be about a television show as well? :confused:

Well, actually, yes. I find it interesting that the original TLD system was so abused and so disregarded, and now that people are starting to run out of reasonable domain names they're bitching about it. I proof-read an article a while ago on the issue of domain name dispute resolution, and the one suggestion I made to the author was that ICANN give preference to the entity for whom the TLD is most appropriate, not simply whoever had the domain name first, or who held copyrights to the name in question (ipod.org, etc).

In this case, if it's a *.us TLD it should go to a US governmental entity (maybe? I don't know enough about the purpose of the *.us TLD to know for sure... maybe *.gov.us). If it's a *.edu TLD it should be reserved for educational institutions, if it's a *.org it should be reserved for non-profit organizations, *.com for commercial entities, etc. It's not that complicated, IMO, and if there begin to be issues with *.tv and *.name TLDs it can be resolved through existing ICANN dispute resolution processes.
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: quakefiend420
Originally posted by: Argo
Kinda makes sense. When I see a .US domain I expect it to be a government site.

i expect a .gov site to be a goverenment site...do you evpect every .tv site to be about a television show as well? :confused:

No, I expect it to be a website for something about TUVALU since that's what .tv actually means.
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: OrsorumIn this case, if it's a *.us TLD it should go to a US governmental entity

I agree with you to an extent, but ccTLDs are country-specific but not strictly for the governments of those countries. But in the event of a dispute, perhaps it would make sense to give some consideration/preference for a claimant in the appropriate country wanting to hang on to his country-specific domain.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: OrsorumIn this case, if it's a *.us TLD it should go to a US governmental entity

I agree with you to an extent, but ccTLDs are country-specific but not strictly for the governments of those countries. But in the event of a dispute, perhaps it would make sense to give some consideration/preference for a claimant in the appropriate country wanting to hang on to his country-specific domain.

Check my edit. :p

And I agree with you, consideration and IMO preference should be given for geographic location/entity type.
 

GhettoPeanut

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I personally find it ironic that our right to .US privacy was stripped away, without due process, by a federal government agency

Seriously though, what'd you expect, we live in a more and more controlled society every year. I mean look at how things work now. Freedom of speech as long as you don?t offend anyone. This is free? I think the main problem with our society is that we don?t know where the line is to be drawn on privacy, so we blindly follow the great ol' bible and use it as an excuse for empowerment to tell others what to do. I mean, the government tells people they can't sell their bodies or do drugs, its illegal to do what you want to your own body. ridiculous. but I?m also a hardcore liberal. I?m sure a conservative will see differently. if we could all just live by our own rules i think wed be happy. don?t like abortion, don?t do it. don?t like drugs, don?t do them, but don?t tell others how to live their lives, you've no place. bleh, now I?m just ranting no where.

If someone else has an opinion on this and its not something like "screw you liberal, you suck, go Jesus/Allah/Zeus/Poseidon/Mars" and actually has some intelligent comment of why they choose to be conservative agnostic, atheist, or religious follower I?m all for it

like i said, I?m sure some of you are itching to just ream me out, please do so constructively, i mean, whats the point of an argument if we're both just as stupid going in as comming out?
 

neonerd

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Originally posted by: quakefiend420
Originally posted by: Argo
Kinda makes sense. When I see a .US domain I expect it to be a government site.

i expect a .gov site to be a goverenment site...do you evpect every .tv site to be about a television show as well? :confused:

:thumbsup:
 

Orsorum

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Dec 26, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Check my edit. :p

CURSES!

:p

I'm trying to remember... ICANN actually makes the policy on how TLDs are handled, right? And disputes can be arbitrated through WIPO or other international/regional dispute services? It's been like three years since I've looked at this stuff. :confused:
 

Yossarian

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Originally posted by: richardycc
got this from godaddy today.

Today I have the unfortunate responsibility of informing you that there has been a decision made by bureaucrats of a Federal agency that takes away your right to privacy as guaranteed by the United States Constitution.

I didn't think there was such a thing.
 

Jzero

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The thing I don't understand is that when you privately register a domain, you still give your contact information to a proxy company. If a government agency needed to get ahold of you, your info is just a subpoena away. So people will go back to registering their domain names with false info. Great.
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
ICANN actually makes the policy on how TLDs are handled, right? And disputes can be arbitrated through WIPO or other international/regional dispute services? It's been like three years since I've looked at this stuff. :confused:

I think all ICANN accredited registrars agree to use WIPO-UDRP for dispute resolution. Non-accredited registrars are a different story :)

ICANN makes the policy, but the current policy doesn't require that a .us website be a US-based entity any more than a .tv website must be a Tuvalu-based entity. It's more a of a general suggestion, I think....different countries can do as they please.

I'm not sure who manages the ccTLD for a given country...
This Page sheds some light on the US rules...
 

TerryMathews

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: richardycc
The effect of this decision is to disallow new private domain name registrations on .US domain names. In addition, if you already own a private .US domain name registration, you will be forced to forfeit your privacy no later than January 26, 2006. By that time, you will need to choose between either making your personal information available to anyone who wants to see it, or giving up your right to that domain name.

I personally find it ironic that our right to .US privacy was stripped away, without due process, by a federal government agency ? an agency that should be looking out for our individual rights. For the NTIA to choose the .US extension is the ultimate slap in your face. .US is the only domain name that is specifically intended for Americans (and also those who have a physical presence in our great country). So think about this for a moment. These bureaucrats stripped away the privacy that you're entitled to as an American, on the only domain name that says that you are an American. I am outraged by this ? you should be also.

Your biggest mistake is simply taking the word of one of the largest .us domain providers (GoDaddy) without doing any research on your own. Had you done so, you would have seen that GoDaddy had always been breaking the rules WRT .us domains. They have always had to have proper contact information located in the WHOIS directory. GoDaddy simply wasn't following the rules (which admittedly were not strictly enforced).

The rules are clear and readily available. There is no due process necessary, as this isn't a proceedural change - it's just a stricter enforcement of an existing rule. No different than your local police cracking down on speeders in a praticular area.

Read this for a more balanced look at the issue.
 

Orsorum

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Dec 26, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Orsorum
ICANN actually makes the policy on how TLDs are handled, right? And disputes can be arbitrated through WIPO or other international/regional dispute services? It's been like three years since I've looked at this stuff. :confused:

I think all ICANN accredited registrars agree to use WIPO-UDRP for dispute resolution. Non-accredited registrars are a different story :)

ICANN makes the policy, but the current policy doesn't require that a .us website be a US-based entity any more than a .tv website must be a Tuvalu-based entity. It's more a of a general suggestion, I think....different countries can do as they please.

I'm not sure who manages the ccTLD for a given country...
This Page sheds some light on the US rules...

Right, I remember that the choice of domain names are voluntary. IMO there should be a way to verify location and entity for accuracy purposes so that people/companies aren't forced to go through UDRP for a legitimate domain name.

Don't know how to do that, though.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
I would never buy a .us TLD domain.

.com or .net forever!

I bought the woman a .us domain because they were on sale at the time :(