Seems to me that Gore has won the legal issues in Florida and held the moral high ground except for the fact that Bush, in refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of hand inspections of ballots, failed to demand them in high Bush favoring districts. That gave Gore an advantage that was legal, but which feels unfair. He has now offered to recount the entire state, a hugely generous jesture, in my opinion, and wants to meet Bush and tone down the rhetoric that threatens to disable the next president. Shouldn't Bush accept this deal? Gore has shown character in my opinion.
Gore siezes the high ground?
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Gore is playing nice for the camera. Bush never did and never will want a recount. Also, I believe it's too late for Bush to officially request a recount anyway.
It's sad that many people will look at Bore's speech and make him out to be a hero.
It's sad that many people will look at Bore's speech and make him out to be a hero.
From sitting in the gutter ..... maybe.
Please.
BUSH has won this election. Get over it.
Enjoy the next (4) years of his term.... and reap the benifits.
Start backing the winner. Let the loser go. Hopefully that's the last we will see of him.
Please.
BUSH has won this election. Get over it.
Enjoy the next (4) years of his term.... and reap the benifits.
Start backing the winner. Let the loser go. Hopefully that's the last we will see of him.
Bush's reply will cost him the support of the American people. I thiunk he has lost. He has proved he has no character.
Attention! The election is over! Whether or not people think he's bad doesn't matter right now. Hopefully other people have seen past Bore's facade and don't blame this on Bush.
If the high ground is occupied with people who go on fishing expeditions to find new votes to overturn two ballot counts, then the low ground is populated with upstanding people. You had better hope that the police don't catch a whiff of whatever you're smoking -- must be REALLY strong.
I saw BOTH speeches and could hardly restrain myself at vomiting during Gore's and from staring in disbelief at Bush, wondering, "This was the BEST guy the GOP could find?"
If you want to read an interesting column from a LIBERAL about the craven grab for power that is the Gore side, read this Washington Post piece by Michael Kelley.
A snip:
It's a tossup as to what is most revolting about Al Gore's determination to vote-rig his way into the White House. You could argue that it is the daylight-brazenness; Then there is the utterly reckless selfishness; the price of a Gore presidency will be a constitutional crisis, a divided nation and a taint on the presidency. But we've been there before, and as Gore's boss said at that time, the important thing is just to win.
But I think the real stomach-turner is the piety. The vice president appeared before the cameras Monday to lecture us about what is at stake here: "And what is at stake here is more important than who wins the presidency. What is at stake here is the integrity of our democracy, making sure that the will of the people is expressed and accurately received. . . . Because there's something very special about our process that depends totally on the American people having a chance to express their will without any intervening interference. That's really what's at stake here. And so that's what I'm focused on. Not the contest, but our democracy."
Not since Bill Clinton stood up to the House impeachment managers--in order, as the president has several times noted, not to save his own skin but to save the Constitution--has a grateful nation seen such purity of purpose, such altruism, such self-sacrifice.
If you want to read an interesting column from a LIBERAL about the craven grab for power that is the Gore side, read this Washington Post piece by Michael Kelley.
A snip:
It's a tossup as to what is most revolting about Al Gore's determination to vote-rig his way into the White House. You could argue that it is the daylight-brazenness; Then there is the utterly reckless selfishness; the price of a Gore presidency will be a constitutional crisis, a divided nation and a taint on the presidency. But we've been there before, and as Gore's boss said at that time, the important thing is just to win.
But I think the real stomach-turner is the piety. The vice president appeared before the cameras Monday to lecture us about what is at stake here: "And what is at stake here is more important than who wins the presidency. What is at stake here is the integrity of our democracy, making sure that the will of the people is expressed and accurately received. . . . Because there's something very special about our process that depends totally on the American people having a chance to express their will without any intervening interference. That's really what's at stake here. And so that's what I'm focused on. Not the contest, but our democracy."
Not since Bill Clinton stood up to the House impeachment managers--in order, as the president has several times noted, not to save his own skin but to save the Constitution--has a grateful nation seen such purity of purpose, such altruism, such self-sacrifice.
<< BUSH has won this election. >>
NOT until all the votes are counted. Overseas Absentee ballots for sure....and possibly manual recounts....
You Bush supporters are celebrating prematurely....
<< You Bush supporters are celebrating prematurely >>
This may be our only chance to celebrate, especially if Gore is elected.
j/kBy the way..... contrary to what you will hear...
The only good thing that came out of this whole mess....... is.... this.
I used to be unsure as to whether or not I liked "RUSS". I did not know if I should like him... or hate him.
Now I am sure. I like him. Hell.... he can step all over my thread any time!
The only good thing that came out of this whole mess....... is.... this.
I used to be unsure as to whether or not I liked "RUSS". I did not know if I should like him... or hate him.
Now I am sure. I like him. Hell.... he can step all over my thread any time!
>>"This was the BEST guy the GOP could find?"<<
Noone in either party was looking for a good guy.
The search was for spineless boobs who could be bought and sold.
The search was successful, in both parties.
Noone in either party was looking for a good guy.
The search was for spineless boobs who could be bought and sold.
The search was successful, in both parties.
Each side is manuvering to it's own best interest within the law. Both Bush and Gore are honorable and justified in this. Get that? Bush is not trying to steal the election. If Bush declines the offer, we will be back to counting only the three counties, assuming Gore wins over Harris' attempt to deny the late vote, which I think will happen. A selective recoult in Gore country will favor Gore. If it is legally allowed and Bush looses, Gore will not only win, he will win clear of the problem that the recount was selective. Bush threw away his chance to get more votes in his areas. He snubbed a fantastically fair and gentlemanly offer because he is immature. It was the offer he should have offered Gore if he had character. These are opinions. We will see how they play out.
What AndrewR calls fishing for votes will, I think be deemed legal as an attempt to find the true intent of the American people. When finding truth becomes stealing an election, you'd best pay attention to what you're smoking. Some of you could use some attention paid to how emotion colours judgment. It might be time, for the sake of the country to see that the other side is as honorable as yours. This election is fun, and intensly interesting.
What AndrewR calls fishing for votes will, I think be deemed legal as an attempt to find the true intent of the American people. When finding truth becomes stealing an election, you'd best pay attention to what you're smoking. Some of you could use some attention paid to how emotion colours judgment. It might be time, for the sake of the country to see that the other side is as honorable as yours. This election is fun, and intensly interesting.
<<That gave Gore an advantage that was legal, but which feels unfair. He has now offered to recount the entire state, a hugely generous jesture, in my opinion>>
Ummm... do you think the courts would grant Gore an extension on the ballot counting and not do the same for Bush if he so desired? That "gesture" would have nothing to do with Gore, it's entirely a legal matter.
It would be like me telling you "You have a right to own a firearm." I don't think you need my permission or blessing.
Ummm... do you think the courts would grant Gore an extension on the ballot counting and not do the same for Bush if he so desired? That "gesture" would have nothing to do with Gore, it's entirely a legal matter.
It would be like me telling you "You have a right to own a firearm." I don't think you need my permission or blessing.
FormatC, Character is profoundly important. It is sacred. Ordinarily those who have it don't mention that fact. It's like unalianable rights, self evident.
edit: Balt, Bush had 72 hours torequest his own recount. He truned it down. The law is the law to those who wish to extract it. Bush is not now legally entitled to a recount. It's not fair. That's why Gore's offer had character. He was willing to let go of an unfair, but legal advantage. Fabulous.
edit: Balt, Bush had 72 hours torequest his own recount. He truned it down. The law is the law to those who wish to extract it. Bush is not now legally entitled to a recount. It's not fair. That's why Gore's offer had character. He was willing to let go of an unfair, but legal advantage. Fabulous.
Gore's speech took a page out of Clinton's handbook.
Offering up something he can't deliver and hoping the Bush team bites.
Offering up something he can't deliver and hoping the Bush team bites.
>>Character is profoundly important. It is sacred. Ordinarily those who have it don't mention that fact.<<
But they give drooly self-serving speeches
to demonstrate their character?
But they give drooly self-serving speeches
to demonstrate their character?
>>Gore's speech took a page out of Clinton's handbook.
Offering up something he can't deliver and hoping the Bush team bites.<<
It's a far more subtle strategy than that.
It has to do with inventing a down-trodden class
and then riding in on a white horse
to rescue that class from the baddies.
And it works every time.
As unbelievable as it may sound, millions of people
have easily been convinced that morons who are too lazy
to figure out how to cast a vote
constitute a class who need special treatment.
Offering up something he can't deliver and hoping the Bush team bites.<<
It's a far more subtle strategy than that.
It has to do with inventing a down-trodden class
and then riding in on a white horse
to rescue that class from the baddies.
And it works every time.
As unbelievable as it may sound, millions of people
have easily been convinced that morons who are too lazy
to figure out how to cast a vote
constitute a class who need special treatment.
Tiger, I suppose Gore couldn't deliver on an attempt to tone down the hostilities by pledging support for Bush if he won. More is at stake than who wins. There is the matter of the dignity of the country. Bush came off as petty and rejecting of healing. What a guy. Small is the wour I'd use. We will see how the country responds. There are many people who maintain some sense of objectivity. I say Bush has lost in the battle to be presidential even if he becomes president. If so I hope he developes as a man real fast.
One more thing....
The first order of business for BUSH as President of the United States of America..... should be...... to pump more funds into Value America.
I so badly want to have another wonderful Holiday season this year!
He can still call them VALUE DOLLARS too. Or BUSH dollars if he likes. He can use all the money that was wrongfully diverted to Jesse Jackson and the rest of the illfated flops down in Florida (compliments of the DEMS in office, using our tax dollars for no good cause...once again)
The first order of business for BUSH as President of the United States of America..... should be...... to pump more funds into Value America.
I so badly want to have another wonderful Holiday season this year!
He can still call them VALUE DOLLARS too. Or BUSH dollars if he likes. He can use all the money that was wrongfully diverted to Jesse Jackson and the rest of the illfated flops down in Florida (compliments of the DEMS in office, using our tax dollars for no good cause...once again)
<< Character is profoundly important. It is sacred. Ordinarily those who have it don't mention that fact. It's like unalianable rights, self evident >>
Uhhh, have you been under a rock for the past eight years? Especially before the election in '92?
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