GOP'S implosion continues after questioning Romney's true job at Bain

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DesiPower

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yeah, I have been listening and watching it since the last couple of days. I thought it was healthy as Obama would have done it anyways...

But I have to agree this primary season must be one of the lowest in GOP history.
 
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Cogman

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This primary is just funny. It seems like the republicans have been spending just about every effort possible looking for anyone but Romney. The spectacular failures have been fun to watch. From Michelle Bachman's stupidity to Herman Cain's issues with women, we have seen some of the craziest candidates put forward as anti-romneys.
 

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Wow:

“What the hell are you doing, Newt?” Giuliani asked. "What you’re saying is part of the reason we’re in so much trouble right now."
So were in trouble right now because we don't destroy US companies fast enough?
 

theeedude

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If you are riding the Tea Party wave and its anti Wall Street sentiments, the least you can do is not nominate a candidate from the shady corners of Wall Street.
 

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If you are riding the Tea Party wave and its anti Wall Street sentiments, the least you can do is not nominate a candidate from the shady corners of Wall Street.

It's kind of a wash if you think about it though... Obama hired everybody in Wall Street to run his Treasury Department, and Romney is just another one of those guys running against him.
 

DesiPower

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Its the year of the superpacks, who else do you expect to see besides shady wall street people?
 

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It's kind of a wash if you think about it though... Obama hired everybody in Wall Street to run his Treasury Department, and Romney is just another one of those guys running against him.

"It's kind of a wash" isn't exactly something that gets people out to vote.
 

Craig234

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The politicians who are the whores are upset that one of them has decided to use the American People's interest to get their votes for a change.

It's like a bunch of snake oil salesmen getting furious at one of their members when he competes by attacking another salesman as a phony exposing the lies.

As I've said, the big lie here is Republicans lying that any attack on specific bad types of capitalism is an attack on all capitalism - seen here in a great example:

"This latest attack, it's so foreign to me, I couldn't see myself being a part of that," he explained. "I don't think you can be on both sides of free market capitalism. A big part of me being a Republican for the last 40 years is that I think it's the best hope to protect free market capitalism, the growth engine of our economy."

See, nothing about the specific issues with Bain capital being 'predatory capitalism' - he turns it into simply 'an attack on capitalism'.

And fellow whore Giuliani, who serves the bad capitalists, squeals - don't tell the truth!
 

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I’m wondering if this in party fight is really about Mitt's religion or what?
As hard core as many republicans are with issues of religion, and considering
Mitt's religion, to me this destroy Mitt or die thing looks like a religion issue.
Imagine, a non-Christian, non-fundamentalist, but still a republican, as the president?
I don't believe fundamentalist republicans can handle that thought.
Sure, they would expect a democrat in the White House as some Satan worshiping
Christ hating atheist. They believe every democratic president has been just that.
But a possible non-Christian republican president? OUCH!
Republicans, like Newt, are not happy with just replacing Mitt as front runner, some republicans, like Newt, want to totally blast Mitt out of the republican party.
Warfare this intense usually has to do with religion, not ideology or policy.
We will see if republicans, as a whole, place religion before ideology and policy.
Are they willing to burn down their own house, just with stopping Mitt?
The day Newt proclaims reelecting Obama would be more desirable than electing Mitt, we will then know the answer.
 
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Craig234

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I’m wondering if this in party fight is really about Mitt's religion or what?

No.

The Republican party is about one thing, and one thing only: money for the few.

Everything else is a means to that - a means to get votes, to get power, to get money.

The Republicans party would elect a gay communist satanist if it served this purpose.

(Or a guy who followed an astrologer to get sworn in to office secretly at midnight, let's call him 'Reagan'.) Some VOTERS oppose Romney for his religion - that's it.
 

sportage

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Well this inbred party fighting could just backfire in a good way, in that it could make the republicans a stronger party. Cut away a lot of the fat from the meat of the party. Fat, i.e. issues like class, wealth, gays, abortion, race, gender. Gays, abortion, race, gender will not get vetted this time around, but the fat of rich vs poor, 99% vs 1%, pro-business vs pro middle class, all this could be vetted. Newt is sounding like a liberal democrat when going after Romney. And now Palin has joined in on the fight, and not on the side you would expect of her. Strange indeed. But... if some of the issues that have plagued the republicans, the rich against the poor thing, if that fight gets vetted, then republicans might become more electable and more attractive for 2012. This could be bad for democrats, in that republicans are even engaging in this discussion within their own party. No one is yet sure where this will all end, but I suspect a stronger Mitt will emerge, that is if Mitt can show that he can handle the fight. If Mitt can answer or at least qualify some of the hard questions being tossed at him, by his own, he wins.
I would not think Newt is "THAT" smart to have purposely created this vetting cycle, created this circus show to give the impression republicans just might actually have a limit when it comes to the rich vs the middle class thing. But it may turn out that way, intended or not by Newt.
And that cannot be good for democrats. Democrats have never really went through this same vetting process in their own party. I see a little bit of the old Abe Lincoln republican party coming through with all this party fighting. Wouldn't that be a kick in the head for democrats...
Obama needs to get his act together, right now and right fast. Make his stand crystal clear with social issues. Agency funding issues. Healthcare issues. Etc, etc. No more straddling the fence. Explain, take ownership, and face his first term failures, his unachieved promises from that first campaign. Make democrats believe, trust that Obama can and will follow through on his first term, during his second term. Take no prisoners. Make no concessions.
If Obama cannot do that, or will not try, then excluding the social issues, the republican party just might look more attractive to independents in 2012. Republican acceptable to those Obama disillusioned independents, and democrats.
It worries me that Newt just might well know exactly what he is doing.
Kind of a creepy feeling Newt could actually be that wise.
 

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No.

The Republican party is about one thing, and one thing only: money for the few.

Everything else is a means to that - a means to get votes, to get power, to get money.

The Republicans party would elect a gay communist satanist if it served this purpose.

(Or a guy who followed an astrologer to get sworn in to office secretly at midnight, let's call him 'Reagan'.) Some VOTERS oppose Romney for his religion - that's it.

Cute, self serving, but alas an ignorant liberal view. If Republican party is for one thing, it's less government. The reason so many Republicans are on an anyone but Romney crusade, is Mitt has shown a propensity to increase governments role.

Now as a result of less government, does the cream rise to the top? Yes, and as a result some get rich. The direction we're currently heading however, everyone will be the same...and their children will be teaching them Chinese.
 

Craig234

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Cute, self serving... If Republican party is for one thing, it's less government. The reason so many Republicans are on an anyone but Romney crusade, is Mitt has shown a propensity to increase governments role.

Now as a result of less government, does the cream rise to the top? Yes, and as a result some get rich. The direction we're currently heading however, everyone will be the same...and their children will be teaching them Chinese.

It's not cute nor self-serving.

A healthy respect for limited government is an AMERICAN value built into the core of our system, from the bill of rights designed to limit the power of government.

Republicans have tried to hijack the issue for the purpose I said, so they can get power to take everyone else's money for the few. They lie.

The Republican propaganda has more straw men than all the fields in Iowa.

It's a very basic technique - exaggerate the oponent to create an attack. If a Democrat says to be careful about executing the innocent, they're 'criminal lovers'. If a Democrats says a word about the excesses of capitalism needing to have some limits, they're communists. If a Democrats questions any war being just, they're 'providing aid and comfort to the enemy and won't protect our country'. And here, if a Democrats says the government can do anything good for the country, he's for massive bureaucracy.

Funny, Democrats have often had smaller governments than Republicans - even though a lot of Republicans oppose a lot of GOOD government.

The Republican Party is only for 'small government' as far as that means denying the democracy intended to help the people stand up to powerful interests; nd to the extent they can exploit the issue for propaganda purposes as you try to to do here, with straw men about what Democrats want.

Education for people? Republicans are for 'small government'. Healthcare for people? For 'small government'. Proetection for the environment over profits? For 'small government'.

Republicans' opposition to 'big government' is along the same lines as being in opposition to democracy at all - pretending to be 'for the people' while really being against them.

Say a powerful corporation harms people for profit - Democrats say 'that's bad, you can sue them'. Republican say, 'you want to sue the wrongdoer? Then you're for corrupt laywers! You're against free enterprise and you want to ruin the economy! We need to greatly restrict any right you have to sue, and we'll say it's for the good of the people!'

No, what I said is correct - the one and only real priority for the Republican Party is to giver everyone's wealth to the rich, returning to plutocracy. Everything else helps that.

You're wrong in your post - another straw man.

Democrat's position: Warren Buffet's secretary shouldn't pay a higher tax rate than Buffet.

Republican's straw man claim what the Democrat's position is: the Secretary should make just as much income as Warren Buffet!

Wrong. NO ONE is saying some shouldn't make more than others. That's a lie you're telling misrepresenting the Democrats' position.

Why lie? Because you have no other point to make without it.

Republicans try to lie that criticisms of the worst bad behaviors in business are an attack on capitalism. You lie that at attack on extreme and corrupt concentrations of wealth is 'wanting everyone to get the same amount'. You toss in another lie for good measure, blaming the left for corporate America's agenda for outsourcing.

All the offshoring is to benefit the owners of the corporations, the wealthy - that's the Republican agenda, and some Democrats who take the money support it as well.
 

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I'm not going to get anywhere near as emotionally distraught in an internet forum. Think your disproptionately defensive reply already speaks volumes.
 

HomerJS

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Romney claims he created a net 100,000 jobs while at Bain but Bain refuses to confirm. This should be an easy thing to prove.

Wat up wit dat? Maybe there are mitt-i-gating circumstances?