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GOP & The Hispanic Vote

Newell Steamer

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-to-compete-for-the-hispanic-vote-in-1-chart/

By 2060, 11 of the 15 largest states will be majority-minority -- states that includes electorally critical battlegrounds such as Florida, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia. When you consider that Mitt Romney won 27 percent of the Hispanic vote nationally (13 points worse than George W. Bush did eight years earlier), you begin to see that if things continue in their current direction, Republicans will be hard-pressed to be competitive in national elections in a decade or two.

Hey, Obama-ite,.. don't mess with Texas! It is already majority minority by population, and Republicans won overwhelmingly there in 2014!!
True. But it's worth noting that the Hispanic population, nationally and in Texas, is younger and less registered to vote as a percentage of its eligible voting population than any other demographic group. As that community ages and gets more acclimated with the voting process, those numbers are likely to change.

Oh dear.

Is there ANYTHING on the conservative road map to account for Latinos, other than hiring them as gardeners, wait staff and babysitters?
 

Genx87

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-to-compete-for-the-hispanic-vote-in-1-chart/



Hey, Obama-ite,.. don't mess with Texas! It is already majority minority by population, and Republicans won overwhelmingly there in 2014!!


Oh dear.

Is there ANYTHING on the conservative road map to account for Latinos, other than hiring them as gardeners, wait staff and babysitters?



I remember Clinton nominee after nominee having issue with hiring illegal latinos and not paying them properly nor the taxes for that compensation. Don't throw stones in your glass house.

That said the GOP better formulate a plan. Because it is clear the Latino vote is prime for the taking. The Democrat party has at the end of the day done little to shore up this demographic. A super majority in congress + white house resulted not in immigration reform. But passing a healthcare reform bill that passed wealth from the young and healthy to the old more wealthy and whiter demographic.

With all that the Democrats haven't done. The GOP has done even less.
 
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rudeguy

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fskimospy

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I remember Clinton nominee after nominee having issue with hiring illegal latinos and not paying them properly nor the taxes for that compensation. Don't throw stones in your glass house.

That said the GOP better formulate a plan. Because it is clear the Latino vote is prime for the taking. The Democrat party has at the end of the day done little to shore up this demographic. A super majority in congress + white house resulted not in immigration reform. But passing a healthcare reform bill that passed wealth from the young and healthy to the old more wealthy and whiter demographic.

With all that the Democrats haven't done. The GOP has done even less.

The ACA overwhelmingly helped Latinos as they tend to be on the poorer end of the spectrum and about 95% of them qualify for subsidized insurance. They also disproportionately qualify for the Medicaid expansion. The ACA overall is a pretty good deal for Latinos. One thing to note is that a great number of uninsured Latinos are in Texas, which did not expand Medicaid.

Last time I saw polling about it Obama had a net positive approval rating of about 30 points for Latinos. (something like 66% approval). This was dramatically higher after his recent actions on immigration.

I guess what I'm trying to say is they seem to think he's doing things for them.
 

Newell Steamer

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I remember Clinton nominee after nominee having issue with hiring illegal latinos and not paying them properly nor the taxes for that compensation. Don't throw stones in your glass house.

The Righties get all huffy when Wubba is mentioned, because that was SOOOO long ago.

And, here you are,... mentioning Clinton.
 

Genx87

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The Righties get all huffy when Wubba is mentioned, because that was SOOOO long ago.

And, here you are,... mentioning Clinton.

Well you mentioned the GOP only hires latinos for yard work, manual labor. You opened up the topic. Pointing out this is an equal opportunity exploitation is not whining. It is showing what an absurd comment you made.
 

Newell Steamer

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Well you mentioned the GOP only hires latinos for yard work, manual labor. You opened up the topic. Pointing out this is an equal opportunity exploitation is not whining. It is showing what an absurd comment you made.

You've clearly demonstrated that it's perfectly OK to strawman mention previous presidents.

Thank you for clearing that up with you actions - I expect no further crying form your side on doing so in the future.
 

ivwshane

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Well you mentioned the GOP only hires latinos for yard work, manual labor. You opened up the topic. Pointing out this is an equal opportunity exploitation is not whining. It is showing what an absurd comment you made.

Actually he didn't say that at all. Try again.
 

rudeguy

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The Righties get all huffy when Wubba is mentioned, because that was SOOOO long ago.

And, here you are,... mentioning Clinton.

OK

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...39c962c-b32f-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_blog.html

In perhaps the biggest problem for Obama, the Latino presence is also taking a hit, despite the support that Hispanics provided Obama in the 2012 election — and their ongoing electoral importance. After the departure of former Labor Secretary Hilda Solis and former Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, there are no Latinos in the Cabinet — though Obama has nominated Tom Perez to replace Solis. So that’s one.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-12-09-diverse-usat_x.htm
President Bush has appointed a more diverse set of top advisers than any president in history.

Take your ignorant, racist ass somewhere else. You and your democrat brethren on here are the ones who think hispanics are uneducated and only worthy of doing menial tasks.
 

ivwshane

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OK

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...39c962c-b32f-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_blog.html



http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-12-09-diverse-usat_x.htm


Take your ignorant, racist ass somewhere else. You and your democrat brethren on here are the ones who think hispanics are uneducated and only worthy of doing menial tasks.

So when asked a question about what will republicans do to attract Latinos, your response is, 'look how bad Obama is doing with Latinos'?

I don't think I need to tell you what deflecting means, do I?
 

Genx87

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The ACA overwhelmingly helped Latinos as they tend to be on the poorer end of the spectrum and about 95% of them qualify for subsidized insurance. They also disproportionately qualify for the Medicaid expansion. The ACA overall is a pretty good deal for Latinos. One thing to note is that a great number of uninsured Latinos are in Texas, which did not expand Medicaid.

Last time I saw polling about it Obama had a net positive approval rating of about 30 points for Latinos. (something like 66% approval). This was dramatically higher after his recent actions on immigration.

I guess what I'm trying to say is they seem to think he's doing things for them.

Well of course he would see a bump after addressing immigration in the only way he can. That doesnt surprise me. My point is the Democrat party has not done much in trying to pass meaningful immigration reform. They could had just as well worked on the ACA while working on immigration reform. They didn't and that is why I think this demographic is not a lock for the democrat party as many believe.
 

rudeguy

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So when asked a question about what will republicans do to attract Latinos, your response is, 'look how bad Obama is doing with Latinos'?

I don't think I need to tell you what deflecting means, do I?

I refuse to treat any post that ends in
Is there ANYTHING on the conservative road map to account for Latinos, other than hiring them as gardeners, wait staff and babysitters?
as anything but a troll attempt by a racist piece of shit.
 

fskimospy

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Well of course he would see a bump after addressing immigration in the only way he can. That doesnt surprise me. My point is the Democrat party has not done much in trying to pass meaningful immigration reform.

I mean except for this: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s744. A lot of Senate Republicans voted for it too, but the Republican House killed it without a vote. (had they brought it to a vote it probably would have passed)

They could had just as well worked on the ACA while working on immigration reform. They didn't and that is why I think this demographic is not a lock for the democrat party as many believe.

That's not accurate. There was not enough time in the legislative calendar for that Congress to pass a bill like that one and the ACA at the same time. I think people often underestimate the amount of time and effort it takes to get major legislation through Congress.

I believe if the Republican Party certainly has a chance at appealing to Latino voters based on fundamental ideology, but I doubt they will be particularly successful any time soon. Their platform is explicitly anti-immigrant and they (rightly) have a reputation for demonizing Latinos.

So sure, Latino voters aren't a lock for Democrats, but that requires Republicans to majorly alter their campaign platform. They are their own worst enemy here.
 

Newell Steamer

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Take your ignorant, racist ass somewhere else. You and your democrat brethren on here are the ones who think hispanics are uneducated and only worthy of doing menial tasks.

Flip and turn and spin and hur dur dur all you want, it's pretty clear; conservative leadership has done little to nothing on accounting for and reaching out to the Hispanics in the US.

This has to do with the fear that the defective conservative mind has of Hispanics.

Conservatives see an invading force, which is why 'patriots' patrol and protect the borders with assault rifles.

Conservative leadership even painted immigrants from South America as ebola carriers.

I am not from the side that is willing to shoot immigrants from South America and paint them as disease carriers of a deadly virus,.. that is from Africa.
 

rudeguy

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Flip and turn and spin and hur dur dur all you want, it's pretty clear; conservative leadership has done little to nothing on accounting for and reaching out to the Hispanics in the US.

This has to do with the fear that the defective conservative mind has of Hispanics.

Conservatives see an invading force, which is why 'patriots' patrol and protect the borders with assault rifles.

Conservative leadership even painted immigrants from South America as ebola carriers.

I am not from the side that is willing to shoot immigrants from South America and paint them as disease carriers of a deadly virus,.. that is from Africa.

Shut the fuck up you racist, ignorant troll.
 

Newell Steamer

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Shut the fuck up you racist, ignorant troll.

Again - I am not the one who wants to shoot immigrants from South America and spreads lies about how they carry an African virus; that's your side of the political spectrum.

Furthermore, and yet again, your leadership has NO plans to reach out to Latinos,.. which is not surprising, since you fear them so much.

You and the rest of your defective minded ilk have painted yourselves into a corner. You and your crew will be reaping what you sowed.

Enjoy.
 

cabri

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The ACA overwhelmingly helped Latinos as they tend to be on the poorer end of the spectrum and about 95% of them qualify for subsidized insurance. They also disproportionately qualify for the Medicaid expansion. The ACA overall is a pretty good deal for Latinos. One thing to note is that a great number of uninsured Latinos are in Texas, which did not expand Medicaid.

Last time I saw polling about it Obama had a net positive approval rating of about 30 points for Latinos. (something like 66% approval). This was dramatically higher after his recent actions on immigration.

I guess what I'm trying to say is they seem to think he's doing things for them.

The ACA gets them covered; does it pay the excessive deductibles though.

this is where the overall issue of the ACA may be in terms of fulfilling the overall intention of providing health insurance or lib service.

Can people afford to utilize the insurance?
If they have to pay $200-5K per year for the ACA insurance itself to cover visits; but also have to pay the deductibles of another $1000-5000; do they have the funding to pay the extra amount for normal use before the actual insurance coverage kicks in.

For many that are on the Medicaid program; it matters not; but those are not under the ACA insurance plans.

It will take a couple of years to find out the numbers that stay on the plans while making premium payments.

There are enrollment numbers being touted; not sustaining (those that keep it for a full year and renew) and those that are getting hit with penalties by the IRS because of numbers being changed.
 

fskimospy

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The ACA gets them covered; does it pay the excessive deductibles though.

this is where the overall issue of the ACA may be in terms of fulfilling the overall intention of providing health insurance or lib service.

Can people afford to utilize the insurance?
If they have to pay $200-5K per year for the ACA insurance itself to cover visits; but also have to pay the deductibles of another $1000-5000; do they have the funding to pay the extra amount for normal use before the actual insurance coverage kicks in.

For many that are on the Medicaid program; it matters not; but those are not under the ACA insurance plans.

It will take a couple of years to find out the numbers that stay on the plans while making premium payments.

There are enrollment numbers being touted; not sustaining (those that keep it for a full year and renew) and those that are getting hit with penalties by the IRS because of numbers being changed.

Meh. People who have ACA insurance report satisfaction with it at similar levels to the privately insured population as a whole, so the answer to most of your questions is basically - "yes".
 

gdansk

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The GOP is toast; the demographics are against them. The old voter base is dying. I suspect the GOP will drift into irrelevance and the DNC will split into two parties instead.
 

BurnItDwn

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Damn it you two.

Newell Steamer, Stop trying to give Rudeguy the Cleveland Steamer. Take a coffee break and realize that Rudeguy is in fact Rude, but that is to be expected given that is handle is Rudeguy.

Rudeguy, come on man, you know Newell Steamer is not really a racist scumbag, you can call him a liberal, its true, but his point was that rich/elites abuse immigrant labor, he just lacks tact and is quick to anger.

In many ways you guys are polar opposites, in just as many ways you are the same.
 

cabri

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Meh. People who have ACA insurance report satisfaction with it at similar levels to the privately insured population as a whole, so the answer to most of your questions is basically - "yes".

With only 1 years out on the ACA provided insurance(s); I would be leary of jumping to such generalizations.

The penalties/fines and deductibles have hardly started. the renewals when 2016 and the effects of the employer mandates still need to kick in.
 

cabri

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The GOP is toast; the demographics are against them. The old voter base is dying. I suspect the GOP will drift into irrelevance and the DNC will split into two parties instead.

People get older and change their views. Real world starts to jade optimism
 

1prophet

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There was a time when liberals actually cared about the middle class and knew that illegal immigration was a tool to destroy the unions, black man, as well as the lower middle class, as compared to todays phony liberals that are great pretenders at best while doing the bidding of the rich big business corporate global types.

http://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/chip-king.pdf

Congress's frenzied reaction to President Obama's second-term push for "comprehensive immigration reform" (CIR) has revealed a split within the GOP, and within the conservative movement more generally. This split, which is not new, pits businesses that want to maximize access to low-cost foreign labor against "social conservatives" who are uncomfortable with the liberal project to transform American society through mass immigration.


The split has been skillfully exploited by Democratic politicians and by mainstream media outlets that have been advancing the notion that CIR is inevitable.


Not so long ago, this conservative split on immigration policy was matched by a split among liberals or "progressives" on balancing the needs of native-born and foreign-born workers.



Indeed, from the earliest days of the Republic, and even before, American reformers who fought against child labor, union-busting, and racial discrimination were also supportive of immigration restrictions that would balance the desire of aliens to relocate to this country with the desire of American workers to earn wages that permitted formation of a family.


This created a split on the left, analogous to the longstanding split on the right, between those who viewed immigration restriction as discrimination against foreigners and those who viewed open borders as discrimination against American workers, especially minority workers.


Booker T. Washington, America's pre-eminent civil rights leader in the late 19th century, was unconcerned about accusations of "nativism" when he pleaded with Southern business leaders to look for workers "among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know" rather than to "the incoming of those of foreign birth and strange tongue and habits".


The country's most authentic Mexican-American leader, Cesar Chavez, was unashamed to have his United Farm Workers report undocumented workers to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and he was joined in protests against the hiring of illegal immigrants by liberal icons such as Ralph Abernathy and Walter Mondale.


This split on the left with respect to immigration policy endured until almost the end of the 20th century. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, like today's CIR proposals, was packaged as a compromise between those who wanted better enforcement of the immigration laws and those who would not countenance better enforcement without a broad amnesty for the millions of illegal aliens who had exploited our lax enforcement.



Shortly after the law was enacted, the amnesty proponents launched a campaign to repeal the employer sanctions on the grounds that they were causing discrimination against legal Hispanic workers. The campaign looked on the road to victory when Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) announced plans to introduce legislation abolishing employer sanctions, but it came to a screeching halt when a letter arrived on the senator's desk from Coretta Scott King, widow of slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr.


The letter, dated July 9, 1991, was written by Mrs. King on behalf of the Black Leadership Forum and was co-signed by eight other labor and civil rights leaders, including Jack Otero, president of the Labor Council for Latin American Advancement. Mrs. King expressed concern that advocates of repeal were using discrimination as a guise "to introduce cheap labor into the U.S. workforce", and offered to report to the senator on "the devastating impact the repeal would have on the economic condition of un- and semi-skilled workers — a disproportionate number of whom are African American and Hispanic."


In words that would ring true if written in 2013, she concluded: "With roughly seven million people unemployed, and double that number discouraged from seeking work, the removal of employer sanctions threatens to add additional U.S. workers to the rolls of the unemployed." Although IRCA's employer sanctions were never seriously enforced, thanks to Mrs. King's courageous letter, they were at least not repealed.


Much has changed since 1991. The conservative split on immigration policy is no longer balanced by a split among liberals. Today, liberals (including the AFL-CIO and the Congressional Black Caucus) side almost monolithically with business lobbyists who claim, paradoxically, that even as real wages have stagnated (and in many industries have declined) the United States suffers a severe shortage of both skilled and unskilled workers that can be relieved only by legalizing the illegal workforce, instituting new guestworker programs, and increasing what is already the highest level of legal immigration in U.S. history.


It is never good for the country when either the conservative tendency or the liberal tendency becomes so captive to an ideology that the most natural divisions of interest within their respective coalitions are silenced and suppressed. A social conservative facing the coming armageddon over CIR might well be moved to ask: "Where are the liberals when you need them?
 

fskimospy

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With only 1 years out on the ACA provided insurance(s); I would be leary of jumping to such generalizations.

Sure, but with the evidence available to us now it seems that your concerns are unfounded. Aren't you happy that people generally like their insurance? Isn't that a really good thing?

The penalties/fines and deductibles have hardly started. the renewals when 2016 and the effects of the employer mandates still need to kick in.

The deductibles started every bit as much last year as they would this year. The employer mandate means very little in this context, etc, etc.