GOP Takes Off Gloves in Bout of Budget Infighting

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WASHINGTON ? Eclipsed by the furor over foreign policy, Congress' debate over the federal budget has slipped quietly into an impasse that is no garden-variety partisan standoff. It is a battle among Republicans over what their party stands for, analysts say.

At issue is whether this year's budget should put the brakes on the tax-cut drive that has been a hallmark of the Bush presidency, and instead put more muscle behind an old GOP orthodoxy: reducing the deficit.

The dispute has kept Congress from completing one of its most basic annual functions: writing a budget to guide the year's tax and spending decisions. And it has opened an unusually bitter and personal dispute among prominent Republicans

A small but powerful faction of Senate Republicans is insisting that the fiscal 2005 budget include rules that require any future tax cuts to be offset so their effect on the deficit would be neutralized; that would mean either cutting spending or raising taxes in other areas. The proposal would strike at the core of President Bush (news - web sites)'s domestic agenda if he is reelected by making it much more difficult to cut taxes.

But House Republican leaders have vehemently opposed the pay-as-you-go requirement as an affront to their party's credo that, when it comes to taxes, the lower the better. They have kept the requirement out of the budget resolution passed by the House ? and have openly questioned the loyalty of Republicans who disagree.

"It is a fight for the heart and soul of the Republican Party: Is it a party about deficit reduction or a party about tax cuts?" said Stanley Collender, a budget expert at Financial Dynamics, a business communications firm in Washington.

The House passed a budget bill last month before Congress adjourned for a weeklong recess. But faced with the objections of a handful of deficit-conscious Republicans, GOP leaders did not have the votes to get it through the Senate. Leaders are looking for a way to win senators over and pass the budget, but chances are it will die a quiet death after Congress reconvenes this week.

The practical effect of not passing a budget would be limited because it only sets nonbinding targets for taxes and spending. Detailed decisions are made in other legislation.

But the political effect would be an embarrassment for Republicans. They control the House and Senate, as well as the White House, and have extolled the advantages of having one party leading all three. In 2002, when the Democrats controlled the Senate and failed to pass a budget, Republican criticism was merciless.

The willingness of dissident Republicans to stand up to the White House on such an important issue in part reflects Bush's weakened political clout at a time when his public standing has been diminished by troubles in Iraq (news - web sites).

"There's no question: If the president's poll numbers are down ? it makes it harder for the White House to have influence," a senior House Republican leadership aide said.

The idea that deficit-reduction advocates are considered GOP mavericks is a measure of how much the center of gravity has shifted in the party's thinking about the budget. For years, balancing the budget was an article of faith for Republicans. They styled themselves as the party of fiscal prudence, juxtaposed to the tax-and-spend moniker that they applied to Democrats.



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With President Reagan's tax-cutting crusade, the party's focus began to change in the 1980s, and a new generation of anti-tax Republicans began filling the halls of Congress. When Republicans won control of both the House and Senate in 1994, their "Contract with America" called for both tax cuts and a constitutional amendment to balance the budget.

But in Bush, who inherited budget surpluses from the Clinton administration, the Republicans got a leader more committed to cutting taxes than to keeping the budget in balance. After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the president led the GOP to a strong consensus that deficit reduction had to take a back seat to defense spending and tax cuts in order to jump-start the economy.

This year, however, with the economy starting to get back on track and the deficit growing like Topsy, Republicans who were lukewarm to tax cuts before turned downright chilly. They remain a distinct minority in the party, but even a small faction can wield tremendous clout in the narrowly divided Senate.

The dispute centers on the proposed pay-as-you-go rule, which is similar to one that expired in 2002. The provision would require offsets not only for future tax cuts but also for increases in entitlement programs like Medicare and welfare.

The proposal is supported by a narrow majority in the Senate: 47 Democrats, one independent and four Republicans ? Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe of Maine.

Republicans who oppose the measure say it is shortsighted to curb tax cuts when they are needed to spur economic growth, which in turn would increase revenue and reduce the deficit. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) said the idea was "so contrary to [Republicans'] fundamental beliefs."

"It negates our argument that you get tax relief to grow the economy and growing the economy grows revenues for the government," DeLay said.

But the Senate renegades have rebuffed entreaties from GOP leaders and the White House to vote for the budget that has passed the House. They object to the measure because it includes the pay-as-you-go rule for only one year ? and even then with big loopholes for tax cuts.

Senate Republican leaders must sway at least two of the four holdouts to pass the budget. GOP strategists labored during last week's recess to find a way to lure them, for example, by promising a vote later this year on other measures to enforce fiscal discipline.

If they fail to change minds and no budget passes, Congress still could write the year's tax and spending bills. But it would be easier to move those measures through the Senate with a budget in place, because it establishes special procedures that expedite tax and spending legislation.


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The stakes are especially high in an election year, when tax cuts are the glue holding the Republicans' domestic agenda together. Bush's proposal to make his 2001 and 2003 tax cuts permanent is a central plank of his reelection platform. The pay-as-you-go rule would present an enormous hurdle to fulfilling that pledge if Bush wins a second term.

Against that charged political backdrop, emotions have run high. An uncharacteristically blunt Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) recently complained about how House Republicans were "bowing and scraping" to the Senate to get the budget passed, and he questioned McCain's credentials as a Republican.

Grover Norquist, a leading tax-cut advocate and president of Americans for Tax Reform, sees the Senate push to make it harder to cut taxes as the last hurrah of a small faction of moderate Republicans who are a dying breed in the GOP. "This is a problem that electing two more Republican senators will fix," Norquist said.

But others say the surprisingly stiff resistance to leadership pressure may be a sign that the tide is turning and concern about the deficit is building in Republican ranks.

In addition to the four Republicans in the Senate who supported the pay-as-you-go rule, 11 House Republicans defied party leaders in March and voted for a nonbinding measure endorsing the rule. More Republicans initially voted for it, but at least eight were persuaded by GOP leaders to change their vote. In the end, the measure was rejected. But just barely.

"What's at stake is: Which does the Republican Party stand for?" said Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, an anti-deficit advocacy group. "At the moment it stands for the tax-cut agenda. But there clearly is also a Yankee Puritan ethic here that says, 'Pay your way.' We don't know if it is a dying gasp or a revival."
 

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A small but powerful faction of Senate Republicans is insisting that the fiscal 2005 budget include rules that require any future tax cuts to be offset so their effect on the deficit would be neutralized; that would mean either cutting spending or raising taxes in other areas. The proposal would strike at the core of President Bush (news - web sites)'s domestic agenda if he is reelected by making it much more difficult to cut taxes.

Makes perfect sence to me, a clear accountable way of helping balance the budget . Now if this same thought process was only followed in all other parts of budget making then maybe we would actually have a balanced the budget, and we could start reducing the national debt.
 

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Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
A small but powerful faction of Senate Republicans is insisting that the fiscal 2005 budget include rules that require any future tax cuts to be offset so their effect on the deficit would be neutralized; that would mean either cutting spending or raising taxes in other areas. The proposal would strike at the core of President Bush (news - web sites)'s domestic agenda if he is reelected by making it much more difficult to cut taxes.

Makes perfect sence to me, a clear accountable way of helping balance the budget . Now if this same thought process was only followed in all other parts of budget making then maybe we would actually have a balanced the budget, and we could start reducing the national debt.

Thing is, that's EXACTLY what Paul O'Neill and Alan Greenspan were pushing for back in 2001 but Bush and Larry Lindsey would have none of it. You see the results of that.
 

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I wonder if some Republicans are begining to realize the gig is up? Trying to return to Core Issues in order to stave off loss of more than just the Presidency.
 

PingSpike

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Its good to see at least a few politicians have the balls to stand up and try to stop this countries future being sold down the river for some immediate feel good tax cuts. I want a balanced budget more than tax cuts.
 

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Taxes. War without sacrifice is a dangerous illusion.

Time to get this second rate carney act of an administration and it's tragically failed magic tricks off the marquee.

Hey, I know, the dummy was cute and a lot of you people voted for him, but even the ventriloquist's act has grown old.
 

Bowfinger

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I'd say that pretty much makes it official. The Republicans have become the "Borrow and Spend" party, just as the Dems are the "Tax and Spend" party. Of the two, that makes the Democrats more fiscally responsible; at least they're willing to fund their unrestrained spending.

The proposal is supported by a narrow majority in the Senate: 47 Democrats, one independent and four Republicans ? Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe of Maine.
It is nice to see there are four true conservatives remaining in the Republican Party. It's both amusing and ironic that Republican Speaker Dennis Hastert (Weasel, Illinois) is questioning McCain's Republican credentials. Perhaps he should be looking in a mirror.
 

Moonbeam

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The top two percent won just about everything. Time to sieze it to pay off the debt. Nothing can hold back the tow 2 % anyway. They will own it all again in say 50 years. It will just motivate them, is all. It's a win win situation.
 

glenn1

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"It is a fight for the heart and soul of the Republican Party: Is it a party about deficit reduction or a party about tax cuts?" said Stanley Collender, a budget expert at Financial Dynamics, a business communications firm in Washington.

Those of us old enough can sadly look at the above expression and mourn the passing of the days when the heart and soul of the Republican Party wasn't about either deficit reduction or tax cuts, but rather shrinking the size and influence of government altogether. Tax cuts and deficit reduction were to flow from that basic premise as corollary benefits. RIP Republican Party, we hardly knew ye.
To paraphrase Nixon's famous phrase about everyone being Keynesians, "It seems we're all big government people now."
 

SuperTool

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It's sad that only 4 of 52 Republican Senators want to maintain fiscal discipline. We are in a war, and instead of sacrifice, all the GOP is thinking is how to best loot this country's coffers. The other 48 think it's perfectly fine to keep borrowing from working class Social Security taxes to pay for taxcuts for the wealthy. Those same people will come and ask the working classes to give up their Social Security benefits so that the wealthy can keep their tax breaks.
Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe of Maine should stop being RINO's. It's clear that the GOP has abandoned them. There is no room for fiscal conservatives in the GOP. Delay, Frist and Hastert have demonstrated that plenty. They should be independents or Democrats.
 

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's sad that only 4 of 52 Republican Senators want to maintain fiscal discipline. We are in a war, and instead of sacrifice, all the GOP is thinking is how to best loot this country's coffers. The other 48 think it's perfectly fine to keep borrowing from working class Social Security taxes to pay for taxcuts for the wealthy. Those same people will come and ask the working classes to give up their Social Security benefits so that the wealthy can keep their tax breaks.
Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe of Maine should stop being RINO's. It's clear that the GOP has abandoned them. There is no room for fiscal conservatives in the GOP. Delay, Frist and Hastert have demonstrated that plenty. They should be independents or Democrats.

Independents, maybe. Democrats? You have got to be kidding. They would loot and spend as much or even more than the GOP if they were in power.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's sad that only 4 of 52 Republican Senators want to maintain fiscal discipline. We are in a war, and instead of sacrifice, all the GOP is thinking is how to best loot this country's coffers. The other 48 think it's perfectly fine to keep borrowing from working class Social Security taxes to pay for taxcuts for the wealthy. Those same people will come and ask the working classes to give up their Social Security benefits so that the wealthy can keep their tax breaks.
Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe of Maine should stop being RINO's. It's clear that the GOP has abandoned them. There is no room for fiscal conservatives in the GOP. Delay, Frist and Hastert have demonstrated that plenty. They should be independents or Democrats.

Independents, maybe. Democrats? You have got to be kidding. They would loot and spend as much or even more than the GOP if they were in power.

That is your claim. You can't back it up, I am sure.
 

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's sad that only 4 of 52 Republican Senators want to maintain fiscal discipline. We are in a war, and instead of sacrifice, all the GOP is thinking is how to best loot this country's coffers. The other 48 think it's perfectly fine to keep borrowing from working class Social Security taxes to pay for taxcuts for the wealthy. Those same people will come and ask the working classes to give up their Social Security benefits so that the wealthy can keep their tax breaks.
Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe of Maine should stop being RINO's. It's clear that the GOP has abandoned them. There is no room for fiscal conservatives in the GOP. Delay, Frist and Hastert have demonstrated that plenty. They should be independents or Democrats.

Independents, maybe. Democrats? You have got to be kidding. They would loot and spend as much or even more than the GOP if they were in power.

That is your claim. You can't back it up, I am sure.

The hell I can't. Government expenditures as a percent of the GDP has not changed much in the past 30 years under democrats or republicans. You can look up the data yourself.

The only difference between the democrats and republicans is that the democrats will tax and spend, the republicans will borrow and spend, which just ends up becoming taxation later. Oh yeah, and both parties will inflate and spend as well, all at the same time.
 

glenn1

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The hell I can't. Government expenditures as a percent of the GDP has not changed much in the past 30 years under democrats or republicans. You can look up the data yourself.

For sake of argument, we'll stipulate that is indeed a fact. However, since the Republicans have as one of their primary party planks that the size and scope of the federal government should be reduced, that means by your own statement you've failed miserably in achieving that goal and are indeed incapable of achieving it.

Game, set, match.
 

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Originally posted by: glenn1
The hell I can't. Government expenditures as a percent of the GDP has not changed much in the past 30 years under democrats or republicans. You can look up the data yourself.

For sake of argument, we'll stipulate that is indeed a fact. However, since the Republicans have as one of their primary party planks that the size and scope of the federal government should be reduced, that means by your own statement you've failed miserably in achieving that goal and are indeed incapable of achieving it.

Game, set, match.


Exactly. The only way to stave off the size of the growing federal government is to either vote to have gridlock between dems and repubs or have enough people vote libertarian so that congress will get the message that people are PISSED.
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: glenn1
The hell I can't. Government expenditures as a percent of the GDP has not changed much in the past 30 years under democrats or republicans. You can look up the data yourself.

For sake of argument, we'll stipulate that is indeed a fact. However, since the Republicans have as one of their primary party planks that the size and scope of the federal government should be reduced, that means by your own statement you've failed miserably in achieving that goal and are indeed incapable of achieving it.

Game, set, match.

Me? I'm not in power, nor am I a Republican. I'm registered as a Republican, but only so I can vote in the primaries. In the general election I'm going to be voting for Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate.

As for Republicans having the reduction of the federal government part of their platform, this is generally a lie. The current regime is the best evidence of that.
 

SuperTool

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Tax and spend is better than borrow and spend.
If politicians bring lots of pork home, they should also have to bring back lots of bills. Otherwise it's a free for all, and there is no incentive to reduce spending.
 

glenn1

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Tax and spend is better than borrow and spend.

And tax less and spend less is best of all. Glad we're in agreement. Now if you could just beat some sense into all the parties whose names aren't "Libertarian" we'd be getting somewhere.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The top two percent won just about everything. Time to sieze it to pay off the debt. Nothing can hold back the tow 2 % anyway. They will own it all again in say 50 years. It will just motivate them, is all. It's a win win situation.

Voting for Kerry won't get you there. You've sold your soul, Moonbeam. It's time you admitted it. Your words are nothing but the vapor trailing behind your actions at the voting booth.
 

conjur

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Emboldened by the decline in President Bush's approval ratings, the Iraq prisoner abuse scandal and setbacks in the Iraq war, the Republican Congress is showing signs of taking a more assertive approach to its dealings with the administration.

One Senate committee is holding hearings into abuse of prisoners in Iraq and a second is about to issue a report on intelligence failures before the Iraq war. Early this month, a House Appropriations subcommittee, meeting behind closed doors, quickly rejected Bush's request for a free hand in spending a $25 billion contingency fund for the war in Iraq, stipulating instead how all but $1 billion would be used.

The same day, the Senate voted 95 to 0 to approve the war money with slightly less stringent conditions.

Republican legislators openly -- but seldom for the record -- vent their frustration to reporters about the Bush administration's secrecy, reluctance to consult and seeming contempt for the institution's processes. There have been some instances of rebellion.

Defying a White House veto threat, House and Senate leaders are moving ahead with a six-year transportation bill whose final price tag may be at least $28 billion higher than the figure the administration says is acceptable. Negotiations between GOP leaders in Congress and the White House quickly broke down.


Former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) said the restiveness is real and probably inevitable. "As a practical matter it can't take full form until after the election, but I would be very surprised if by January -- even with Bush reelected -- that you don't see substantially more assertion of oversight."

"The institutional jealousies built into the Constitution do work over time, and they should," he said. "If [the war on terrorism] is going to be a long conflict with an irreconcilable wing of Islam, then I think Congress has to exercise routine oversight and do it routinely. Of course the Defense Department and the intelligence community should be accountable."

Former Senate majority leader Robert J. Dole (R-Kan.) said: "I see signs of this, and it's reassuring. When a catastrophic event happens, everyone is going to do almost anything [to help the president]. But when you get down the road a little bit, you want to see what we did wrong or how much money we spent."

Democrats say such scattered actions do not constitute a sea change. "The [GOP-controlled] House has refused again and again to exercise its responsibility for oversight over this administration," says Rep. Henry A. Waxman (Calif.), ranking Democrat on the Government Reform Committee.

Republicans leaders, Waxman charged, have rebuffed Democratic requests for investigations of intelligence failures before the Iraq war, the Pentagon's handling of civilian contractors in Iraq, such as Halliburton Corp., and the role played by White House officials in leaks leading to the exposure of CIA officer Valerie Plame in a newspaper column.

During a recent House debate on the 2005 defense authorization bill, Republicans blocked a move by Waxman to set up a panel to investigate Abu Ghraib prison abuse in Iraq.


But there have been indications that the Bush administration's long honeymoon with Congress, which was extended when lawmakers in both parties rallied around the president in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, may be nearing an end.

Congressional assertiveness has ebbed and flowed in recent decades, often in step with the fortunes of presidents.

It was not until November 1973, when President Richard M. Nixon was reeling from Watergate-related disclosures and U.S. involvement in Vietnam was ending, that Congress reasserted prerogatives given up during the Vietnam War. It passed a joint resolution known as the War Powers Act, requiring regular consultation with Congress on contemplated military action, written notification within 48 hours of such action and other steps.

Democratic gains in the congressional elections of 1974, after Nixon's resignation, swept reformers into power and began a period of activism that produced investigations of the intelligence community, payoffs to foreign governments by international oil companies and other targets.

In 1982, Republicans who controlled the Senate played a pivotal role in seeking to limit the Reagan administration's covert operations against the communist government in Nicaragua, activities that had not been disclosed to Congress. The administration's subsequent attempts to skirt those provisions by diverting private funds to the anti-communist forces blew up into the Iran-contra scandal and a full congressional investigation.

In Waxman's view, the passivity of the GOP-controlled Congress contrasts dramatically with its aggressiveness during the Clinton administration. "There wasn't anything too small for them to have hearings, issue subpoenas and make wild accusations," he said. "In this administration, there isn't a scandal big enough for them to even ask questions. Their strategy is that Republicans protect Republicans."

Congress, however, has recently showed renewed assertiveness in the area where its constitutional prerogatives are most clear: in controlling the purse strings.

Within days of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on Washington and New York, a stunned Congress passed emergency legislation giving Bush a free hand to spend $10 billion to aid victims and bolster national defense.

Congress subsequently approved at least $185 billion to fight the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, often giving the administration unprecedented flexibility to move billions of dollars from several special funds, including a Defense Emergency Response Fund and an Iraqi Freedom Fund, without the usual prior approval from Congress.

But beneath the facade of wartime support for the president, lawmakers in both parties chafed at the lack of accountability, and refused to give the White House the free hand it sought in the use of tens of billions of additional dollars.

Less than two months after the 2001 attacks, House Appropriations Committee Chairman C.W. Bill Young (R-Fla.) complained in writing to the White House that the administration was not complying with statutory requirements to report on the use of funds.

Rep. John P. Murtha (Pa.), a strong pro-defense Democrat, said recently that the Pentagon may have observed the letter of the law but still "abused the trust of Congress."

In 2002, GOP lawmakers learned that the Pentagon was diverting millions of dollars of operating funds to build a network of military facilities in the Persian Gulf region without advising Congress.

The upshot was an unusual provision written into a 2003 spending bill with the support of Republicans and Democrats in Congress. It limited the amount the Pentagon could divert to the construction projects to $150 million a year.

"Funds for these projects have been expended without providing notice to Congress despite repeated requests for information by both House and Senate Appropriations Committees and House and Senate Armed Services Committees, and as required by law," an accompanying report said.

In the latest rebuff to the White House, the defense subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee earlier this month rejected an administration request for an open-ended allocation of $25 billion for the war in Iraq, and spelled out in detail how 96 percent of the money would be used.

The panel also required the administration to report to Congress on costs incurred for military activities and reconstruction of Iraq; the management of prisoners in Iraq and elsewhere, and the extent to which members of the selected reserve and National Guard are being "involuntarily ordered to active duty."

In its version of the $25 billion Iraq war fund, the Senate gave the administration a free hand to spend only $2.5 billion of the total.

"This is a new approach," said Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), chairman of the Appropriations Committee and one of the administration's strongest backers. "This is much different than in the past. We have got a lot of controls."


Republican Congress Tightens Purse Strings - Some Experts See Legislature Being More Assertive



What is it with Republican administrations and secrecy, deception, and covert military operations that come back to bite us in the ass????