GOP spreading propaganda on editorial page.

[thuper]

http://www.dailykos.com/ (Yes, a biased site, but google, his tool isn't)

Stupid papers and GOP astroturf
by kos
Tue Aug 17th, 2004 at 21:00:29 GMT

The GW04 site has handy templates for letters to the editor. See the top one on the list:

New job figures and other recent economic data show that America's economy is strong and getting stronger - and that the President's jobs and growth plan is working. The Labor Department announced that employers added 288,000 new jobs in April. In total, over 1.1 million jobs have been added since August, with 8 consecutive months of gains.

Now google that entire phrase, and see the results. About 60 newspapers have run that letter, sent by GOP automatons too stupid to vary the wording even a tiny bit.

This is why I can't stand republicans right now.

 

[1EZduzit]

I can't remember the exact numbers but I was watching some TV debate the other night and I thought they said that the August numbers that came out on jobs was only 150,000? As I recall they said that 125,000 jobs are lost each month, so the net gain would only be 25,000 jobs or so.

They said that Clinton averaged 230,000 jobs per month for his entire 8 years.

Let's face it, the current "Republicans" like it when there aren't too many new jobs out. It keeps the "riff-raff" in line.

 

[fjord]

The ECHO-ECHO-ECHO-ECHO Chamber.

My local newspaper had a LTTE with the same wording, today.

1.1 M jobs is the nice way of saying a Negative 1.7 M jobs since W. was appointed by the Supremes.

Looks like the swift-boys are working for free, overtime.

 

[charrison]

IT does appear the left has got their talking points out as well, judging from the last 2 posts.

Nevermind the fact that more people are employed today, than 4 years ago.

 

[thuper]

Originally posted by: charrison
IT does appear the left has got their talking points out as well, judging from the last 2 posts.

Nevermind the fact that more people are employed today, than 4 years ago.

There are also more people not working, which is more important.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: thuper

Originally posted by: charrison
IT does appear the left has got their talking points out as well, judging from the last 2 posts.

Nevermind the fact that more people are employed today, than 4 years ago.

There are also more people not working, which is more important.

That is also correct. But the unemployment rate is still below the average of the past 20 years and the same as in the election cycle of 96.

 

[308nato]

I find it humorous that you believe only one party has "talking points".

 

[thuper]

Originally posted by: charrison

That is also correct. But the unemployment rate is still below the average of the past 20 years and the same as in the election cycle of 96.

That's because some people have been out of work so long their benefits have run out, meaning they are no longer counted.

Or some people found a job but are underemployed.

The average new job pays $9,000 a year less than the one that people left.

The American worker is earning an average $8 less a week than earlier this year just from inflation.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: charrison
IT does appear the left has got their talking points out as well, judging from the last 2 posts.

Nevermind the fact that more people are employed today, than 4 years ago.

I should hope so with population growth. However of course you DO know that the Dub's tenure has not kept pace with said population growth. First President since Hoover to have such a miserable record.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeh, yeh, yeh- so tell me, what happened to the so-called "Liberal Media", the mythical strawman darling of the far right?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: thuper

Originally posted by: charrison

That is also correct. But the unemployment rate is still below the average of the past 20 years and the same as in the election cycle of 96.

That's because some people have been out of work so long their benefits have run out, meaning they are no longer counted.

Or some people found a job but are underemployed.

The average new job pays $9,000 a year less than the one that people left.

The American worker is earning an average $8 less a week than earlier this year just from inflation.

Forget it Thup, the Neocon talking Parrots in here would never admit to that.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: thuper

Originally posted by: charrison

That is also correct. But the unemployment rate is still below the average of the past 20 years and the same as in the election cycle of 96.

That's because some people have been out of work so long their benefits have run out, meaning they are no longer counted.
Unemployment rates are calculated by survey, not unemployment roles


Or some people found a job but are underemployed.
unemployment stats are not that different than 96


The average new job pays $9,000 a year less than the one that people left.
Got anything to back this up

The American worker is earning an average $8 less a week than earlier this year just from inflation.

Yes inflation tends to go up during a recovery. However todays numbers had inflation dipping back down.

 

[chess9]

The overall economic picture for the country is not bad, actually. We have some weaknesses and some strengths. Average wages, for instance, are not keeping pace with inflation for the vast majority of people. Manufacturing is still very touchy. Oil! Ugh! Interest rates are threatening to rise and drive down homebuilding and buying. The stock market totally SUCKS! On the other hand, we have no major weaknesses, which is a strength. Our technology sector is really very strong, despite what the NASDAQ says. No serious inflation or deflation, etc. I'm not too worried.

I don't think Kerry is going to get too far with the economy issue unless the stock market really pits or oil spikes badly or interest rates start climbing too quickly. If I were Kerry I'd hammer on those other themes, like the war, Bush's cronyism, welfare for the pharms and insurance companies, etc.

-Robert

 

[viivo]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Yeh, yeh, yeh- so tell me, what happened to the so-called "Liberal Media", the mythical strawman darling of the far right?

Don'tcha know? It only exists when it can serve as scapegoat. Anything bad about Bush in the press is because the left hates America too much to report on and how perfect Iraq is at the moment.

 

[thuper]

Originally posted by: charrison

The average new job pays $9,000 a year less than the one that people left.
Got anything to back this up

The American worker is earning an average $8 less a week than earlier this year just from inflation.

Yes inflation tends to go up during a recovery. However todays numbers had inflation dipping back down.
What are todays numbers?[/quote]


How about the Economic policy institute, US Department of Labor, US Census, and Reuters.

Jobs are shifting to lower-paying industries paying $9,160 less . Nationwide jobs are growing in industries with low-paying jobs and contracting in industries with higher-paying jobs. On average, jobs in growing industries pay $9,160 less than jobs in contracting industries ? that is 21 percent less. [Economic Policy Institute, ?Jobs Shift >From Higher Paying to Lower Paying Industries,? January 21, 2004]

In 2004, wages and salaries rose a slim 0.6 percent for the second quarter in a row. Over the past 12 months, wages are up just 2.5 percent, matching the period through March as the smallest 12-month gain on records dating to 1982. According to the Department of Labor, in the last 12 months, wages and salaries grew at the slowest rate in over 20 years. In the first 2 years of the Bush administration, real income has dropped by almost $1,500 per household. [US Department of Labor; US Census; Reuters, 7/29/04]

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: viivo

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Yeh, yeh, yeh- so tell me, what happened to the so-called "Liberal Media", the mythical strawman darling of the far right?

Don'tcha know? It only exists when it can serve as scapegoat. Anything bad about Bush in the press is because the left hates America too much to report on and how perfect Iraq is at the moment.

Correction: because the left Loves America. It is very clear how much the Radical Right worships Power, Religion and Greed over the good of the Country.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: thuper

Originally posted by: charrison

The average new job pays $9,000 a year less than the one that people left.
Got anything to back this up

The American worker is earning an average $8 less a week than earlier this year just from inflation.

Yes inflation tends to go up during a recovery. However todays numbers had inflation dipping back down.
What are todays numbers?

How about the Economic policy institute, US Department of Labor, US Census, and Reuters.

Jobs are shifting to lower-paying industries paying $9,160 less . Nationwide jobs are growing in industries with low-paying jobs and contracting in industries with higher-paying jobs. On average, jobs in growing industries pay $9,160 less than jobs in contracting industries ? that is 21 percent less. [Economic Policy Institute, ?Jobs Shift >From Higher Paying to Lower Paying Industries,? January 21, 2004]

In 2004, wages and salaries rose a slim 0.6 percent for the second quarter in a row. Over the past 12 months, wages are up just 2.5 percent, matching the period through March as the smallest 12-month gain on records dating to 1982. According to the Department of Labor, in the last 12 months, wages and salaries grew at the slowest rate in over 20 years. In the first 2 years of the Bush administration, real income has dropped by almost $1,500 per household. [US Department of Labor; US Census; Reuters, 7/29/04][/quote]

Odd that a 2 year old stat is quoted, given that time period was the trough of the recession. I beleive at this point real income is up. I will try to find those numbers.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: thuper

Originally posted by: charrison

The average new job pays $9,000 a year less than the one that people left.
Got anything to back this up

The American worker is earning an average $8 less a week than earlier this year just from inflation.

Yes inflation tends to go up during a recovery. However todays numbers had inflation dipping back down.
What are todays numbers?

How about the Economic policy institute, US Department of Labor, US Census, and Reuters.

Jobs are shifting to lower-paying industries paying $9,160 less . Nationwide jobs are growing in industries with low-paying jobs and contracting in industries with higher-paying jobs. On average, jobs in growing industries pay $9,160 less than jobs in contracting industries ? that is 21 percent less. [Economic Policy Institute, ?Jobs Shift >From Higher Paying to Lower Paying Industries,? January 21, 2004]

In 2004, wages and salaries rose a slim 0.6 percent for the second quarter in a row. Over the past 12 months, wages are up just 2.5 percent, matching the period through March as the smallest 12-month gain on records dating to 1982. According to the Department of Labor, in the last 12 months, wages and salaries grew at the slowest rate in over 20 years. In the first 2 years of the Bush administration, real income has dropped by almost $1,500 per household. [US Department of Labor; US Census; Reuters, 7/29/04]

Odd that a 2 year old stat is quoted, given that time period was the trough of the recession. I beleive at this point real income is up. I will try to find those numbers.[/quote]

Multiple indicators show big pay gains in recent years. Real disposable income per capita is 7.5 percent higher than it was in January 2001. Annual real income per capita--a broader measure of quality of life--is up 5.2 percent ($1,819) in the United States over the same period. That is real money, after inflation, that would pay for an extra 900 gallons of gas for every American.

linkage

 

[dmcowen674]

Excuse me Talking Parrots, we already know how the Fearless Liar Administration manipulates the numbers to suit them. All these numbers just posted will be revised down once the Dub is gone.

They've already been revising down like mad as it just not far enough to be remotely the truth. :|

It's criminal.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Excuse me Talking Parrots, we already know how the Fearless Liar Administration manipulates the numbers to suit them. All these numbers just posted will be revised down once the Dub is gone.

They've already been revising down like mad as it just not far enough to be remotely the truth. :|

It's criminal.

Sure dave..sure dave.

 

[thuper]

Originally posted by: charrison

Multiple indicators show big pay gains in recent years. Real disposable income per capita is 7.5 percent higher than it was in January 2001. Annual real income per capita--a broader measure of quality of life--is up 5.2 percent ($1,819) in the United States over the same period. That is real money, after inflation, that would pay for an extra 900 gallons of gas for every American.

linkage

Odd that they don't compare that growth to inflation.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: thuper

Originally posted by: charrison

Multiple indicators show big pay gains in recent years. Real disposable income per capita is 7.5 percent higher than it was in January 2001. Annual real income per capita--a broader measure of quality of life--is up 5.2 percent ($1,819) in the United States over the same period. That is real money, after inflation, that would pay for an extra 900 gallons of gas for every American.

linkage

Odd that they don't compare that growth to inflation.

Want to reconsider that statement?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: charrison
IT does appear the left has got their talking points out as well, judging from the last 2 posts.

Nevermind the fact that more people are employed today, than 4 years ago.

*Cough* BS Household survey *cough* . . .

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: charrison
IT does appear the left has got their talking points out as well, judging from the last 2 posts.

Nevermind the fact that more people are employed today, than 4 years ago.

*Cough* BS Household survey *cough* . . .

Well then all previous unemployment numbers are wrong as well. As this BS household survey has been part of the unemployment calculation for a long time.

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: charrison

Multiple indicators show big pay gains in recent years. Real disposable income per capita is 7.5 percent higher than it was in January 2001. Annual real income per capita--a broader measure of quality of life--is up 5.2 percent ($1,819) in the United States over the same period. That is real money, after inflation, that would pay for an extra 900 gallons of gas for every American.

linkage

5.2% increase over 40 months is supposed to be impressive?

And wouldn't it be interesting to see a distribution of that increase; how much did the middle class see? Or is it something like Bush's vaunted tax cuts, where the "average" tax savings for a family is $1000?