GOP Social Security Playbook leaked

[conjur]

http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/social_security_1.php

Raw Story has acquired a copy of Saving Social Security: A Guide to Social Security Reform, printed by the House and Senate Republican Conferences as a guide for Senators and Representatives to market private accounts for the Social Security system.

The document is filled with suggestions for communicating constituents such as, "Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn't understand financial jargon," and "Offer an alternate reality." These are the first several pages of a 103 page document are posted here. You may download the entire document in PDF format here (2mb).

Offer an alternate reality. Well, when you live in a fantasy world, anything's an alternate to reality.

 

[raildogg]

This is from the website that sells "Sexy Liberal" t-shits. That says it all.

lol a further look reveals its a Democrat Party/radical leftist propaganda website. just look through it

Banners like "Asses of Evil" and "Proud 48%" and "Mandate, My Ass". Wow, how grown up

In other news: Baghdad mayor wants to erect a Bush statue

A segment from the NY Post article

Text

January 30, 2005 -- BAGHDAD ? The man replacing the mayor of Baghdad ? who was assassinated for his pro-American loyalties ? says he is not worried about his ties to Washington.

In fact, he'd like to erect a monument to honor President Bush in the middle of the city.

"We will build a statue for Bush," said Ali Fadel, the former provincial council chairman. "He is the symbol of freedom." Fadel's predecessor, Ali al-Haidari, was gunned down Jan. 4 when militants opened fire on his armor-covered BMW as it traveled with a three-car convoy.

Fadel said he received numerous threats on his life as the council chairman, and expects to get many more in his new post.

"My life is cheap," Fadel said. "Everything is cheap for my country."

As Iraq prepared for a volatile election that is being watched across the world, Fadel heaped praise on the United States.

As I understand, you people on the way left consider NY Post a GOP mouthpiece, just thought I'd share some of its content and make you all warm and fuzzy inside

 

[CycloWizard]

Offer an alternate reality: Talk about how much more money they?d have for retirement if
they themselves had been investing in a personal account all these years. Add that personal
accounts would enable young, minimum-wage workers to enjoy dignity in retirement.

That's what it really says.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Offer an alternate reality: Talk about how much more money they?d have for retirement if
they themselves had been investing in a personal account all these years. Add that personal
accounts would enable young, minimum-wage workers to enjoy dignity in retirement.

That's what it really says.

:thumbsup:

CsG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Offer an alternate reality: Talk about how much more money they?d have for retirement if
they themselves had been investing in a personal account all these years. Add that personal
accounts would enable young, minimum-wage workers to enjoy dignity in retirement.

That's what it really says.

Ah, so, it's guaranteed to perform better for them? :roll:

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: conjur
Ah, so, it's guaranteed to perform better for them? :roll:

You're once again misrepresenting what it actually says. You're not even doing a good job of it. If you can't fault them for what it actually says, why do you insist on trying to fault them at all? It's getting pretty ridiculous.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Ah, so, it's guaranteed to perform better for them? :roll:

You're once again misrepresenting what it actually says. You're not even doing a good job of it. If you can't fault them for what it actually says, why do you insist on trying to fault them at all? It's getting pretty ridiculous.

Uh, no I'm not.

 

[conehead433]

"In fact, he'd like to erect a monument to honor President Bush in the middle of the city."

LOL Yea, and we should give them a billion or so for it.

 

[conjur]

Some of the propaganda:

?Personalization? not ?privatization?: Personalization suggests increased personal
ownership and control. Privatization connotes the total corporate takeover of Social Security;
this is inaccurate and thoroughly turns off listeners, who are very concerned about corporate
wrongdoing.

Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn?t understand financial jargon. Phrases such
as ?cash flow deficits? and ?actuarial imbalance? don?t normally crop up in conversation;
avoid using them.

Keep the numbers small: Your audience doesn?t know how trillions and billions differ.
They know these numbers are large, but not how large nor how many billions make a trillion.
Boil numbers down to ?your family?s share.? Also avoid percentages; your audience will try
to calculate them in their head?no easy task while listening to a speech?and many will do
it incorrectly.

Acknowledge risks: Many of your listeners will not have a lot of financial education or
investment experience, but they know that markets have risk?and nothing is guaranteed.
They believe investments can grow over time, but they also know they can lose their
investments. They don?t trust someone who tells them differently.

Say it the way they can hear it: Your audience will reject some turns of phrase because of
the connotations and associations. The responses are not universal, but they are much less
personal than you might imagine.

And look at the vast majority of articles quoted. They're from The Washington Times, Wall Street Journal Editorial page, National Review, Chicago Sun-Times (Robert Novak).

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: conjur
Uh, no I'm not.

Well, I'm not sure what else to call it. You specifically state that the playbook says something it does not after quoting something out of context. What would you call it?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Uh, no I'm not.

Well, I'm not sure what else to call it. You specifically state that the playbook says something it does not after quoting something out of context. What would you call it?

Hmm...

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Offer an alternate reality: Talk about how much more money they?d have for retirement if
they themselves had been investing in a personal account all these years. Add that personal
accounts would enable young, minimum-wage workers to enjoy dignity in retirement.

That's what it really says.

Ah, so, it's guaranteed to perform better for them? :roll:

You're once again misrepresenting what it actually says. You're not even doing a good job of it. If you can't fault them for what it actually says, why do you insist on trying to fault them at all? It's getting pretty ridiculous.

How am I misrepresenting that paragraph above? You are claiming that it's factual. If so, we're all guaranteed better rates of return than just relying on SS itself.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: conjur
How am I misrepresenting that paragraph above? You are claiming that it's factual. If so, we're all guaranteed better rates of return than just relying on SS itself.

It guarantees nothing. It's a sweeping generalization. I'd imagine that it would be supported by a cursory calculation. IIRC, the stock market typically increases in value by about 12% annually, whereas SS garners about 2.5%. This isn't exactly a leap of faith.

 

[1EZduzit]

Isn't it funny how Bush has all the money he needs to fund a war and give tax cuts to the wealthy, but has no empathy for the sick and elderly??

Isn't it funny how the people who have it the best in this country are the cheapest SOB's in the whole dam world? Welcome to the NEW Repug party. The new GOP must stand for Greedy, Opportunistic , and Pathetic.

 

[SuperTool]

Well, at least now we know where cons on this board will get their SS talking points.

Your audience doesn't know how trillions and billions differ

Yep, sounds like your average republican

Don t attempt to demolish every myth: ... They are harmless urban myths, such as Congress doesn t pay FICA taxes, and FDR intended Social Security to last only one generation.

Yeah, we wouldn't want to undermine myths that fit our agenda, like Saddam link to 9/11.
Kinda shows what kind of contempt Republicans have for an average American.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/social_security_1.php

Raw Story has acquired a copy of Saving Social Security: A Guide to Social Security Reform, printed by the House and Senate Republican Conferences as a guide for Senators and Representatives to market private accounts for the Social Security system.

The document is filled with suggestions for communicating constituents such as, "Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn't understand financial jargon," and "Offer an alternate reality." These are the first several pages of a 103 page document are posted here. You may download the entire document in PDF format here (2mb).

Offer an alternate reality. Well, when you live in a fantasy world, anything's an alternate to reality.

I love the liberals' mentality. Global Warming is a crisis, it'll be a big deal in 50 years, we need to deal with it NOW. Social Security is a crisis, it'll be a big problem in 50 years, let's deal with it then. The truth of the matter is you are just opposing it b/c Bush is proposing it. If Clinton were saying S.S. was a problem you'd be all over the issue saying it needs fixing.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/social_security_1.php

Raw Story has acquired a copy of Saving Social Security: A Guide to Social Security Reform, printed by the House and Senate Republican Conferences as a guide for Senators and Representatives to market private accounts for the Social Security system.

The document is filled with suggestions for communicating constituents such as, "Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn't understand financial jargon," and "Offer an alternate reality." These are the first several pages of a 103 page document are posted here. You may download the entire document in PDF format here (2mb).

Offer an alternate reality. Well, when you live in a fantasy world, anything's an alternate to reality.

I love the liberals' mentality. Global Warming is a crisis, it'll be a big deal in 50 years, we need to deal with it NOW. Social Security is a crisis, it'll be a big problem in 50 years, let's deal with it then. The truth of the matter is you are just opposing it b/c Bush is proposing it. If Clinton were saying S.S. was a problem you'd be all over the issue saying it needs fixing.

And if Clinton were pushing it, you would be dead set against it too. Pot, meet kettle.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/social_security_1.php

Raw Story has acquired a copy of Saving Social Security: A Guide to Social Security Reform, printed by the House and Senate Republican Conferences as a guide for Senators and Representatives to market private accounts for the Social Security system.

The document is filled with suggestions for communicating constituents such as, "Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn't understand financial jargon," and "Offer an alternate reality." These are the first several pages of a 103 page document are posted here. You may download the entire document in PDF format here (2mb).

Offer an alternate reality. Well, when you live in a fantasy world, anything's an alternate to reality.

I love the liberals' mentality. Global Warming is a crisis, it'll be a big deal in 50 years, we need to deal with it NOW. Social Security is a crisis, it'll be a big problem in 50 years, let's deal with it then. The truth of the matter is you are just opposing it b/c Bush is proposing it. If Clinton were saying S.S. was a problem you'd be all over the issue saying it needs fixing.

And if Clinton were pushing it, you would be dead set against it too. Pot, meet kettle.

I did not have a poblem when he talked about SS reform a few years ago.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/social_security_1.php

Raw Story has acquired a copy of Saving Social Security: A Guide to Social Security Reform, printed by the House and Senate Republican Conferences as a guide for Senators and Representatives to market private accounts for the Social Security system.

The document is filled with suggestions for communicating constituents such as, "Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn't understand financial jargon," and "Offer an alternate reality." These are the first several pages of a 103 page document are posted here. You may download the entire document in PDF format here (2mb).

Offer an alternate reality. Well, when you live in a fantasy world, anything's an alternate to reality.

I love the liberals' mentality. Global Warming is a crisis, it'll be a big deal in 50 years, we need to deal with it NOW. Social Security is a crisis, it'll be a big problem in 50 years, let's deal with it then. The truth of the matter is you are just opposing it b/c Bush is proposing it. If Clinton were saying S.S. was a problem you'd be all over the issue saying it needs fixing.

And if Clinton were pushing it, you would be dead set against it too. Pot, meet kettle.

I did not have a poblem when he talked about SS reform a few years ago.

Not you, the OP that I replied to.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/social_security_1.php

Raw Story has acquired a copy of Saving Social Security: A Guide to Social Security Reform, printed by the House and Senate Republican Conferences as a guide for Senators and Representatives to market private accounts for the Social Security system.

The document is filled with suggestions for communicating constituents such as, "Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn't understand financial jargon," and "Offer an alternate reality." These are the first several pages of a 103 page document are posted here. You may download the entire document in PDF format here (2mb).

Offer an alternate reality. Well, when you live in a fantasy world, anything's an alternate to reality.

I love the liberals' mentality. Global Warming is a crisis, it'll be a big deal in 50 years, we need to deal with it NOW. Social Security is a crisis, it'll be a big problem in 50 years, let's deal with it then. The truth of the matter is you are just opposing it b/c Bush is proposing it. If Clinton were saying S.S. was a problem you'd be all over the issue saying it needs fixing.

And if Clinton were pushing it, you would be dead set against it too. Pot, meet kettle.

I did not have a poblem when he talked about SS reform a few years ago.

Not you, the OP that I replied to.

Well you are making a very partisan assumption.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/social_security_1.php

Raw Story has acquired a copy of Saving Social Security: A Guide to Social Security Reform, printed by the House and Senate Republican Conferences as a guide for Senators and Representatives to market private accounts for the Social Security system.

The document is filled with suggestions for communicating constituents such as, "Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn't understand financial jargon," and "Offer an alternate reality." These are the first several pages of a 103 page document are posted here. You may download the entire document in PDF format here (2mb).

Offer an alternate reality. Well, when you live in a fantasy world, anything's an alternate to reality.

I love the liberals' mentality. Global Warming is a crisis, it'll be a big deal in 50 years, we need to deal with it NOW. Social Security is a crisis, it'll be a big problem in 50 years, let's deal with it then. The truth of the matter is you are just opposing it b/c Bush is proposing it. If Clinton were saying S.S. was a problem you'd be all over the issue saying it needs fixing.

And if Clinton were pushing it, you would be dead set against it too. Pot, meet kettle.

I did not have a poblem when he talked about SS reform a few years ago.

Not you, the OP that I replied to.

Well you are making a very partisan assumption.

Based on the exact partisan assumption that nutz made above.

 

[irwincur]

What the hell is the big deal.

The three plans have been available on government websites since 2001. Maybe you should read them, they are all bi-partisan, they operate on a base set of fair rules, and they all work in different ways. Read up, and make your choice. Good luck making the argument that they won't work.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/social_security_1.php

Raw Story has acquired a copy of Saving Social Security: A Guide to Social Security Reform, printed by the House and Senate Republican Conferences as a guide for Senators and Representatives to market private accounts for the Social Security system.

The document is filled with suggestions for communicating constituents such as, "Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn't understand financial jargon," and "Offer an alternate reality." These are the first several pages of a 103 page document are posted here. You may download the entire document in PDF format here (2mb).

Offer an alternate reality. Well, when you live in a fantasy world, anything's an alternate to reality.

I love the liberals' mentality. Global Warming is a crisis, it'll be a big deal in 50 years, we need to deal with it NOW. Social Security is a crisis, it'll be a big problem in 50 years, let's deal with it then. The truth of the matter is you are just opposing it b/c Bush is proposing it. If Clinton were saying S.S. was a problem you'd be all over the issue saying it needs fixing.

And if Clinton were pushing it, you would be dead set against it too. Pot, meet kettle.

I did not have a poblem when he talked about SS reform a few years ago.

Not you, the OP that I replied to.

Well you are making a very partisan assumption.

Based on the exact partisan assumption that nutz made above.

So was clinton right about SS needing reform?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/social_security_1.php

Raw Story has acquired a copy of Saving Social Security: A Guide to Social Security Reform, printed by the House and Senate Republican Conferences as a guide for Senators and Representatives to market private accounts for the Social Security system.

The document is filled with suggestions for communicating constituents such as, "Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn't understand financial jargon," and "Offer an alternate reality." These are the first several pages of a 103 page document are posted here. You may download the entire document in PDF format here (2mb).

Offer an alternate reality. Well, when you live in a fantasy world, anything's an alternate to reality.

I love the liberals' mentality. Global Warming is a crisis, it'll be a big deal in 50 years, we need to deal with it NOW. Social Security is a crisis, it'll be a big problem in 50 years, let's deal with it then. The truth of the matter is you are just opposing it b/c Bush is proposing it. If Clinton were saying S.S. was a problem you'd be all over the issue saying it needs fixing.

And if Clinton were pushing it, you would be dead set against it too. Pot, meet kettle.

I did not have a poblem when he talked about SS reform a few years ago.

Not you, the OP that I replied to.

Well you are making a very partisan assumption.

Based on the exact partisan assumption that nutz made above.

So was clinton right about SS needing reform?

Personally, I don't know who is right and wrong, and am not worried too much about it, because I think the politicans will take the "buy your vote" way out and not touch SS's basic platform because of groups like AARP (Congress-critters, as you say, are up for re-elections, Bush isn't). I like the idea (since I started the work force full time after school) of having my money to invest as I see fit, but I don't like the idea of limiting me on the amount of MY money to invest ($1000 sucks) and also, the idea that I must wait until a certain age to get to MY money (If I have enough money to retire at 50, why shouldn't I get to?). On the flip side, I don't think there's any crisis in SS that the same money to convert to private accounts would easily fix on the current system.

SS should have been earmarked and invested privately in the bond/stock/equities/etc. markets instead of lining the credit card like debt of the US government. Adding trillions to the general deficit for either decision (private or status quo) sucks ass. I hate debt and really think the @sshats in DC should not get paid unless they break even (profit = pay off deficit or bigger tax refunds).

 

[digiram]

I'm gonna take care of my social security the old school way. Have a bunch of kids, and invest in them.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/105/social_security_1.php

Raw Story has acquired a copy of Saving Social Security: A Guide to Social Security Reform, printed by the House and Senate Republican Conferences as a guide for Senators and Representatives to market private accounts for the Social Security system.

The document is filled with suggestions for communicating constituents such as, "Talk in simple language: Your audience doesn't understand financial jargon," and "Offer an alternate reality." These are the first several pages of a 103 page document are posted here. You may download the entire document in PDF format here (2mb).

Offer an alternate reality. Well, when you live in a fantasy world, anything's an alternate to reality.

I love the liberals' mentality. Global Warming is a crisis, it'll be a big deal in 50 years, we need to deal with it NOW. Social Security is a crisis, it'll be a big problem in 50 years, let's deal with it then. The truth of the matter is you are just opposing it b/c Bush is proposing it. If Clinton were saying S.S. was a problem you'd be all over the issue saying it needs fixing.

And if Clinton were pushing it, you would be dead set against it too. Pot, meet kettle.

I did not have a poblem when he talked about SS reform a few years ago.

Not you, the OP that I replied to.

Well you are making a very partisan assumption.

Based on the exact partisan assumption that nutz made above.

So was clinton right about SS needing reform?

Personally, I don't know who is right and wrong, and am not worried too much about it, because I think the politicans will take the "buy your vote" way out and not touch SS's basic platform because of groups like AARP (Congress-critters, as you say, are up for re-elections, Bush isn't). I like the idea (since I started the work force full time after school) of having my money to invest as I see fit, but I don't like the idea of limiting me on the amount of MY money to invest ($1000 sucks) and also, the idea that I must wait until a certain age to get to MY money (If I have enough money to retire at 50, why shouldn't I get to?). On the flip side, I don't think there's any crisis in SS that the same money to convert to private accounts would easily fix on the current system.

SS should have been earmarked and invested privately in the bond/stock/equities/etc. markets instead of lining the credit card like debt of the US government. Adding trillions to the general deficit for either decision (private or status quo) sucks ass. I hate debt and really think the @sshats in DC should not get paid unless they break even (profit = pay off deficit or bigger tax refunds).

All debt is not bad, as one mans debt is another mans investment. I would like at the very least for SS to get out of the general fund. I would rather have those federal bonds in names of the people that have purchased them, rather than IOUs the goverment writes to itself.