GOP Senator Calls Veteran’s Care ‘Entitlement’ We ‘Can’t Afford’

[Doc Savage Fan]

It doesn't bother me. It's a constant source of amusement that you don't understand why it's ironic for a religious person to be using a quote that is irrelevant to (or actually arguably undermines) that person's faith.

For you to presume that you understand my beliefs better than myself is the only thing that's truly amusing here.

 

[dank69]

Don't fall for this type of bait folks. This highly partisan article and the poster that made it should just be ignored. In the last sentence, the author makes it clear that he has no clue what year Senator Sessions is up for reelection. He's too lazy to even research it. But he does have an ax to grind with Sessions.

Oh, and btw, the bill passed in the Senate as it had in the House. Stupid article is stupid. OP has rage only against his political opponents. Obama dropping the ball for nearly a decade? C'est la vie.

I for one am glad that we have people in Congress with the balls to speak their mind. We have to correct this VA situation, there is no doubt. But we also cannot afford another entitlement program and I applaud those that will speak out in that manner. The right thing will be done. But it would have been better to have found the money for it by trimming from other sources. Blank checks never seem to work out real well here.

Nearly a decade? This is why only idiots take you seriously.

 

[dank69]

Lets first define, "fund the va properly"

Does that include care for:
Disabled vets that are not?
Spouses?
Children?
Those that turn around and get civil service or other jobs after military retirement and still opt for VA care?

The VA is clogged with people capable of providing for their own care, but opt not to.


I am with you, the VA needs to properly funded, but we first have to define the problem.

So you don't understand that military service gets you free healthcare for life, regardless of whether or not you have private insurance? You think this is a scam? Pretty sure spouses and children have nothing to do with this issue.

 

[boomerang]

Nearly a decade? This is why only idiots take you seriously.

Contrary to what your mama told you, you're not the brightest star in the sky . Obama, as Senator, served on the Veterans Affairs Committee starting in 2005. Now maybe your mama, if you actually know who she is, can help with that simple math. I'll get the two of you started. 2014-2005=

 

[Orignal Earl]

VA benefits need to re-examined because it has become far to easy to get qualified as being disabled. Far too many disabled vets are middle age men with middle age ailments that have never been anywhere close to combat. I spent 10 years as contractor for the DoD and very few of the disabled vets I meet were anywhere close to disabled.

One day your one of the most bravest,toughest,honorable,moral, patriots in the world.
The next just a low life faking entitled whiny bitch.

What did you do as a contractor for the DOD?

 

[boomerang]

We can't afford to take care of the people risking their lies for you? I know it's too hard to do anything of merit when you thinking for yourself is too hard.


How about we don't send people off to die on a fools errand and it be so expensive to treat them.

Wars should be expensive. Not just the munitions but the care of those in harms way.'
Why does boomerang hate America ? Why does boomerang think it's ok to ignore the lifetime needs of our wounded vets?

Twist my words if it makes you feel better but to many, it just makes you look a fool.

 

[mrjminer]

Veterans do have a pretty damn good set of benefits already, I think they're at the peak of what they should be getting, and I don't think that it's out of line to say that most veterans think they've gotten a pretty good deal.

Free healthcare, job training, money, place to live, and education. A little excessive even, I think dropping healthcare for life and trading it for healthcare for life for those who qualified (due to injury or exposure to chemicals, + psych treatment for whatever) would be more reasonable. However, tough to make that case when you have a bunch of pieces of shit that just sit around and contribute nothing to society whatsoever getting subsidized for free healthcare for life, so it doesn't bother me too much. I can also understand the need for it a little more since you have shit like Agent Orange occasionally come around doing who knows what to an unknown number of soldiers. On second thought, the college subsidy is what should be dropped; that would be a little more reasonable since the healthcare would be more of a necessity.

 

[Orignal Earl]

However, tough to make that case when you have a bunch of pieces of shit that just sit around and contribute nothing to society whatsoever getting subsidized for free healthcare for life, so it doesn't bother me too much.

How many of these pieces of shit are there?
Are there any of these pieces of shit posting here?
I know there is a huge number of vets here at AT

 

[mrjminer]

How many of these pieces of shit are there?
Are there any of these pieces of shit posting here?
I know there is a huge number of vets here at AT

I don't know if there are or not. Is your point that people who contribute nothing at all to society whatsoever at any point in their lives should be given a free ride, or is there some other indiscernible point you are trying to make that is less stupid?

 

[Orignal Earl]

I don't know if there are or not. Is your point that people who contribute nothing at all to society whatsoever at any point in their lives should be given a free ride, or is there some other indiscernible point you are trying to make that is less stupid?

How can you be a vet and have not contribute anything to your society?
Whats your bottom line on contribution?

 

[shortylickens]

Neither party actually likes veterans. They just suck up to us once in a while if they think it can get them votes.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Neither party actually likes veterans. They just suck up to us once in a while if they think it can get them votes.

Watch your ass there shorty.
Some of these guys might not feel you contribute as much as they do

 

[mrjminer]

How can you be a vet and have not contribute anything to your society?
Whats your bottom line on contribution?

I'm not talking about veterans. I'm talking about life long moochers. Maybe it wasn't very clear, I wrote it before drinking some coffee

 

[Bitek]

Sounds to me like the pols are just fine sending the troops to war, and then just screwing them over when they get home.

I have a cousin who was wounded from an IED in Iraq back in 2004. His treatment by the army and the VA has been disgraceful. Walter Reed did a great job treating him, but everything outside of that has been a disaster.

He was in a 6 week coma leaving Iraq. When he finally woke up he was a different person. His memory, logic and basic perceptions were messed up. Army played games with his people heart, disability status, reimbursements, post-release treatment. Everything.

He gets out, and the army forgets about him, meanwhile he's digging fox holes in his front yard preparing for Iraqi's to invade (among other paranoid fantasies). Wife calls to try and get him appts, and just runs into red tape and excuses.
He's mentally ill, and they refuse to label him disabled, won't give him disability payments. He does not have the mental capacity to work or drive, and they require him to drive two states away for treatment (after refusing anything for years.) Bankruptcy and divorce eventually follow, as well as estrangement from his daughter as Daddy crumbles.

After 10 years of hell, his life has been destroyed. So vets are moochers now? I think it's the other way around. The public likes the slogans and the parades, but in the end no one gives a shit about the vets or their service. They are treated as completely expendable.

The audacity of the conservatives to wrap themselves around the vets and thier service is beyond shameful

 

[charrison]

So you don't understand that military service gets you free healthcare for life, regardless of whether or not you have private insurance? You think this is a scam? Pretty sure spouses and children have nothing to do with this issue.

Actually veterans do not get free healthcare for life. You can blame recruiters for using similar non binding phrases. Retired vets do get access to tricar, which is really inexpensive(they pay yearly for what most people pay monthly) and that include themselves and dependents.

Do I think it is a scam, no, but I think it has created yet another entitlement program that is out of control.

 

[charrison]

One day your one of the most bravest,toughest,honorable,moral, patriots in the world.
The next just a low life faking entitled whiny bitch.

What did you do as a contractor for the DOD?

Software developer on logistics simulations.
It was real eye opener to see so so many middle age disabled men who were no where near close to disabled. Then later see amputees coming home from iraq/afghanistan, it put all in clear perspective who was really disabled.

 

[justoh]

For you to presume that you understand my beliefs better than myself is the only thing that's truly amusing here.

I don't presume to understand your beliefs. I remember you stating you believed in god(s). No? You aren't religious? Or are you religious to the extent that einstein was religious, which is to say, based on that quote, not religious at all in any meaningful sense? It's like you're mocking yourself with that quote. Nobody would question that quote from einstein. It's how any reasonable person should feel after realizing how mysterious the universe is.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Software developer on logistics simulations.
It was real eye opener to see so so many middle age disabled men who where near close to disabled. Then later see amputees coming home from iraq/afghanistan, it put all in clear perspective who was really disabled.

Ah
I didn't think someone in the medical field would of made a statement like you did.
A vet getting suicidal (what was it 2000 suicides every couple months?) with no limbs missing might just need a pat on the back once in awhile.

I've met Vets with limbs missing that would kick my ass if I called them disabled too.
Disabled covers a large range of things and needs to be looked at in each individual case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability

 

[charrison]

Ah
I didn't think someone in the medical field would of made a statement like you did.
A vet getting suicidal (what was it 2000 suicides every couple months?) with no limbs missing might just need a pat on the back once in awhile.

I've met Vets with limbs missing that would kick my ass if I called them disabled too.
Disabled covers a large range of things and needs to be looked at in each individual case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability

And the disability program is rampant with abuse.

 

[MongGrel]

Don't fall for this type of bait folks. This highly partisan article and the poster that made it should just be ignored. In the last sentence, the author makes it clear that he has no clue what year Senator Sessions is up for reelection. He's too lazy to even research it. But he does have an ax to grind with Sessions.

Oh, and btw, the bill passed in the Senate as it had in the House. Stupid article is stupid. OP has rage only against his political opponents. Obama dropping the ball for nearly a decade? C'est la vie.

I for one am glad that we have people in Congress with the balls to speak their mind. We have to correct this VA situation, there is no doubt. But we also cannot afford another entitlement program and I applaud those that will speak out in that manner. The right thing will be done. But it would have been better to have found the money for it by trimming from other sources. Blank checks never seem to work out real well here.

People have been falling for the GOP bait way too long.

They are starting to realize that. Has been like hitting a donkey on the head with a 2X4 for a long time to get it's attention (Pun intended)

 

[MongGrel]

Nearly a decade? This is why only idiots take you seriously.

That too.

 

[shortylickens]

So you don't understand that military service gets you free healthcare for life, regardless of whether or not you have private insurance? You think this is a scam? Pretty sure spouses and children have nothing to do with this issue.

Umm, only if you have a disability. I got 10 percent for my kidney stones. And the hospital ONLY takes care of my kidney issues.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sadly the war wounded survive in greater numbers today decreasing their value as cannon fodder. What a tragedy our lives become when war is too expensive to wage. Who wants to live in a world where ones indifference to the tragedies of others is starkly self evident. We need to relearn how to let the injured die. Posthumous medals are so much cheaper.

 

[xaeniac]

If many would understand the fraud in the VA disability they would be appalled. There are people just milking the system and now PTSD has opened a whole other can of worms for people exploiting it. There are cases where they are legitimate claims, but would venture to say that a very higher engage is not related to service, but old age. Sleep apnea will get a very high rating. How is he majority of sleep apnea related to military service? Human beings bodies break down as we age.

 

[justoh]

If many would understand the fraud in the VA disability they would be appalled. There are people just milking the system and now PTSD has opened a whole other can of worms for people exploiting it. There are cases where they are legitimate claims, but would venture to say that a very higher engage is not related to service, but old age. Sleep apnea will get a very high rating. How is he majority of sleep apnea related to military service? Human beings bodies break down as we age.

Maybe, but maybe there wouldn't be so much of this if people had better access to health care and weren't so desperate. I don't really know anything about medicare, so maybe i'm wrong and there are viable alternatives. It's like care shifting or something. People will do what they have to. Most people would. It's easy to criticize if you're healthy or well off. Am i completely off base?