GOP Run Senate . . .

[CaptnKirk]

Moves 1.9 Million of War Funding to Border Patrol

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The Senate voted Wednesday to divert some of the money President Bush requested for the war in Iraq to instead increase
patrols against illegal immigrants on the nation's borders and provide the Coast Guard with new boats and helicopters.

An amendment cutting Bush's Iraq request by $1.9 billion to pay for new Border Patrol agents, aircraft
and some fencing at border crossings widely used by illegal immigrants was adopted on 59-39 vote.

While the border security funds had sweeping support, Democrats and Republicans argued over whether the cuts to
Pentagon war funds would harm troops on the ground in Iraq.
The cuts, offered by Judd Gregg, R-N.H., trim Bush's request for the war by almost 3 percent but don't specify how.

The vote came in the wake of a toughly worded promise by the White House to veto the $106.5 billion measure unless it is cut back to below $95 billion.

An amendment by Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada to add the border security funds but not tap the Pentagon for them failed by a 54-44 vote.
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Knee Jerk Reaction to pacify their Base or under cut the troops funding?
The 'Decider' knows, and will make the ultimate coin-flip.

 

[jrenz]

There is another thread about this. A somewhat less misleaded thread at that.

 

[techs]

Traitors! Traitors! Traitors!

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: jrenz
There is another thread about this. A somewhat less misleaded thread at that.

If you are refering to YESTERDAYS thread about Bush threatening to veto if he dosen't get his way -
thats a completely different context. This is the Senate DID cut funds to the War & added funding to Border Patrol.
What's misleading about facts ?

War Bucks
Yeah same story, there's only so much news.

 

[zendari]

Damned if you spend, damned if you don't.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: zendari
Damned if you spend, damned if you don't.

It's a matter of what it's being spent on. You bitch about spending on social programs and none about war spending.

I say cut the spending and right along with it, cut the troop levels (eventually to zero) to offset the spending cuts. Problem solved.

 

[Pens1566]

Why do they hate the troops?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: zendari
Damned if you spend, damned if you don't.

Our favorite Delay psychic finally weighs in bemoaning the no win situation---That Bush &co. put themselves into when they invaded Iraq. Maybe GWB and his rubber stamp congress should have had a plan B when greeted with flowers and Candy didn't work. Becxause this latest move still does not amount to a credable plan B.

If Iraq goes civil war and spills far past the borders of Iraq----thats when the costs really start adding up fast---the question will not be cutting funds--it will be how much more must we spend to contain the problem?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: zendari
Damned if you spend, damned if you don't.

Our favorite Delay psychic finally weighs in bemoaning the no win situation---That Bush &co. put themselves into when they invaded Iraq. Maybe GWB and his rubber stamp congress should have had a plan B when greeted with flowers and Candy didn't work. Becxause this latest move still does not amount to a credable plan B.

If Iraq goes civil war and spills far past the borders of Iraq----thats when the costs really start adding up fast---the question will not be cutting funds--it will be how much more must we spend to contain the problem?

I see it as how much will we spend to get our troops out of the cross-fire, or will it be a sacrifice for his ego.

 

[eilute]

It is a shift in policy for the GOP.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: eilute
It is a shift in policy for the GOP.

Maybe you are right-----but more likely its just another deadend attempt that leads nowhere----they choose to ride the Tiger. Now they can't get off without being eaten up.

Meanwhile countless die for Bush's lies.

Until they get off their denial--and the President and congress admit they blew it---no progress will be possible.
Sooner or later the crisis will resolve itself----by getting much mucm much worse is the most likely----and the rest of the world will have to step in------tell Bush he must leave Iraq---pay huge reparations----and leave world affairs to more responsible nations.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: zendari
Damned if you spend, damned if you don't.

That sure seems to be your mantra lately. Of course, it makes perfect sense that it's an empty sentiment. You could have said nothing and been more eloquent.

Anyway, back OT, the $1.9B that's being diverted will likely have zero effect on the troops. Some of the pork being added to the bill is the real issue. So is the fact we're spending several billion a week just for the thrill of being in Iraq. Of course, no one wants to talk about that...

 

[Lemon law]

To DealMonkey,

Have you ever noticed what the news does not mention about the insurgency--namely that the oil the US could be stealing could have made all the expenatures worth it?

But that is not happening because the insurgency blows the pipelines up preventing the theft.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To DealMonkey,

Have you ever noticed what the news does not mention about the insurgency--namely that the oil the US could be stealing could have made all the expenatures worth it?

But that is not happening because the insurgency blows the pipelines up preventing the theft.

If the "liberal press" is so busy bashing Bush, how can this be?? Surely they wouldn't pass on such a juicy story??

 

[dchakrab]

Liberal press? Oops, sorry, didn't mean to wander into the sci-fi forum.

I think it's significant that spending is going towards homeland security and tightening our borders. What we're doing to immigrants across the borders (legal and illegal) is atrocious. A speaker at a Chicago event a month or so ago spoke about a man who was bringing his daughter across the desert to be with his wife in Texas. They were run over by a US Customs SUV. The daughter died, so now they're charging the man with manslaughter for endangering his daughter. The daughter was 12. Two WHITE AMERICAN college kids were helping people who crossed the desert with humanitarian aid, medical supplies, etc. Both are now facing jail terms for aiding and abetting possible terrorists.

That's what we've done here...we've moved "undocumented" to "illegal immigrant" to "terrorist" ...even though any Chicagoan will tell you that our country depends rather heavily on immigrant labor for a lot of things (Chicago restaurant industry, anyone?).

The War in Iraq: I don't see the problem. Why can't we pull out, say it's a huge victory (didn't Bush say the war was over a while ago?) and that Iraq is now governing itself, pat ourselves on the back, etc. The media will go along with whatever Bush wants it to say, so we're all set. Liberals will say look, they're still fighting, we screwed up, and no one will hear them. But we'll be out of Iraq, and won't be blowing so much money, yes? I'm not sure why we're still there. It's a public relations nightmare, and bad for the economy to boot.

Dave.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: dchakrab
Liberal press? Oops, sorry, didn't mean to wander into the sci-fi forum.

I think it's significant that spending is going towards homeland security and tightening our borders. What we're doing to immigrants across the borders (legal and illegal) is atrocious. A speaker at a Chicago event a month or so ago spoke about a man who was bringing his daughter across the desert to be with his wife in Texas. They were run over by a US Customs SUV. The daughter died, so now they're charging the man with manslaughter for endangering his daughter. The daughter was 12. Two WHITE AMERICAN college kids were helping people who crossed the desert with humanitarian aid, medical supplies, etc. Both are now facing jail terms for aiding and abetting possible terrorists.

Dave.

They should consider themselves lucky.... in most other parts of the world, invading a country would result in a very quick death.