GOP proposes a plank for a gold commission.

Anarchist420

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They probably already have plans to force dr. Paul to write the minority report again.

Who do they think they're trying to trick? That's what I want to know, because the vast majority of Americans aren't retarded.
 

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They probably already have plans to force dr. Paul to write the minority report again.

Who do they think they're trying to trick? That's what I want to know, because the vast majority of Americans aren't retarded.

Looks like it is time to start hoarding gold in my bunker.
 

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The GOP just gets wackier and wackier each day...any intelligent person in the GOP has got to be scratching their head right now...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48770752
LOL. If you think it's a bad idea, then you don't have anything to worry about.

Romney could never break the chains of tyranny, which would require a cross of gold. Keep in mind that a true hard money policy would really require a repeal of the income tax also and Romney is against repealing the income tax and he always has been.
 

Atreus21

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Let's have a pro and con list of the gold standard. I know very little about the subject.

Here's an interesting graph, just to get things started.

We got off the Gold standard in 1971.

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Does a gold standard restrict a government's ability to spend itself to death?
 
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Imposing a gold standard will cause far more problems than our current debt "crisis."

http://news.sky.com/story/976612/romneys-gold-standard-idea-is-madness
This diagram drawn up by Harvard economist Dani Rodrik to explain what is sometimes called the "trilemma" of international economic policy, sometimes the "impossible trinity". In an ideal world, you might strive towards all of the three objectives in the boxes above. You might want fixed exchange rates so that you can predictably trade with your neighbours. You would want to have complete capital mobility, so people can bring money in and out of your country at will, helping foster investment. You might want to be able to control your own monetary policy, moving interest rates as necessary to shield you from recessions or from overheating.

The problem is that while you can have two, it's impossible to have all three of these at any one time. It simply doesn't work.

The Gold Standard, as you have probably already spotted above, had both fixed exchange rates (fixed, of course, to gold) and free movement of capital, but in order to achieve this, each member state had to give up setting its own monetary policy. This makes sense - it had to control the speed of its economy based not on whether it was overheating or slumping but on how much gold it had in its vaults, and whether it was enough to satisfy demand for its currency.

As a result, countries in the Gold Standard frequently had to impose deflation – wage cuts and unemployment – on their economies in order to keep their currencies fixed to gold. That was feasible when they couldn't answer back, but following the era of the mass franchise, people understandably lost their patience with such a system. They lost patience with a system which would impose extra unemployment on them simply because some nameless central bankers decided that should be the case.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked...xchange/61779/Problems-with-the-gold-standard
Although this adjustment process worked automatically, it was not problem-free. The adjustment process could be very painful, particularly for the deficit country. As its money stock automatically fell, aggregate demand fell. The result was not just deflation (a fall in prices) but also high unemployment. In other words, the deficit country could be pushed into a recession or depression by the gold standard. A related problem was one of instability. Under the gold standard, gold was the ultimate bank reserve. A withdrawal of gold from the banking system could not only have severe restrictive effects on the economy but could also lead to a run on banks by those who wanted their gold before the bank ran out.

These twin problems materialized during the Great Depression of the 1930s; the gold standard contributed to the instability and unemployment of that decade. Because of the strains caused by the gold standard, it was gradually abandoned. In 1931, faced with a run on its gold, Britain abandoned the gold standard; the British authorities were no longer committed to redeem their currency with gold. In early 1933 the United States followed suit. Although the tie of the dollar to gold was partially restored at a later date, one very important feature of the old gold standard was omitted. The public was not permitted to exchange dollars for gold; only foreign central banks were allowed to do so. In this way the U.S. authorities avoided the risk of a run on their gold stocks by a panicky public.

Giving up the control and flexibility of fiat money is stupid monetary policy.
 

Atreus21

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I got an A in macro, yet I hardly remember anything about it. Discussion of the gold standard, I'm sure, falls within the purview of macro.
 

thraashman

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The gold standard is simply a bad idea. Barbarian's quotes give a nice simple explanation of why. Especially with a constantly increasing population, tying your economy to a finite natural resource is a very reckless idea.
 

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The gold standard is simply a bad idea. Barbarian's quotes give a nice simple explanation of why. Especially with a constantly increasing population, tying your economy to a finite natural resource is a very reckless idea.

Isnt it based on GNP now? That seems to be a very dynamic thing to base it on also, at least with gold we know how much will be printed and how much we can print. Plus our money is always backed up with more than our empty promises.
 

hal2kilo

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My advice is that the Republican party should put everything its got into gold.

Wait till you hear the crying when that bubble bursts.
 
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Let's have a pro and con list of the gold standard. I know very little about the subject.

Here's an interesting graph, just to get things started.

We got off the Gold standard in 1971.

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Does a gold standard restrict a government's ability to spend itself to death?
It depends upon what type of gold standard it is, and it depends upon a union's constitution. The u.s. federalist constitution, like most every other union's constitution, makes it very easy to establish monetary bureaucracy like printing money, creating a central bank, debasing coins, and establishing legal tender.

The gold standard that we got off of in 1971 wasn't really a gold standard because we had a central bank which meant that gold standard could be modified or abolised at any time and the gold didnt circulate without govt interference... It was simply an exchange standard where the govts/banks had all of the gold on hand and they still set reserve ratios (which were never 100%).

The Jacksonians, however, believed in a real gold standard... it was that the govt should simply collect its revenues only in gold by weight and purity (they didn't believe in having a mint or signing a treaty to accept only certain coins because they realized that all gold was still gold and because they understood gresham's law in that they didn't want the federal govt debasing currency) and pay its obligations only in the same. Martin van buren started the subtreasury system and that was to be the plan after Jackson issued his specie circular, which also was designed to drive out all of the silver per greshams's law.

When the fed was chartered in 1913 there was not a true gold standard either. Congress devalued it several times to pay for world war I and most of the gold was centralized within the federal reserve system anyway because they printed certificates that were supposed to represent gold, but congress and the banks working together had a tendency to print more gold certificates than there actually was gold in the bank vaults. The fed regulated how much gold the commercial banks had to have on hand (it was never 100% of course) under that standard, but that caused huge problems and made it so the banks could loan out more than they actually had.

Anyway, a major problem has always been that the u.s. federal constitution gives the federal govt unlimited monetary powers and since the u.s. federal constitution gives the federal govt so many additional powers that it loves to use and abuse, congress of today would never limit themselves to a Jacksonian economic policy.

Dr. Gary north is one of the best writers on this. See his writing "counterfeit gold standards".
 
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the only people who want a gold standard are gold hoarders, and that's only because the .gov would have to pay them beau coup dollars for it.
 

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Krugman on this:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...n-instability/
It's scary this is actually in the Republican party platform. They've removed all doubt that they've thrown reality out the window.

Edit: The article Krugman cites is damn well worth the read too:
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...charts/261552/
That is totally dishonest to do that when we had the fed then and it wasn't a real gold standard.

There exists a chart showing price stability when we had a gold standard without the fed, but Krugman isn't going to show it because it would prove him wrong.

Finally, the fed could lead to price instability with fiat currency so Krugman is totally dishonest for not pointing that out too. The reason qe hasn't lead to super high price inflation is because it's being done with near zero interest rates and so the banks are sitting on most of it.

I can't believe anyone actually thinks that the party of lincoln would favor Jacksonian economic policy. It bothers me that so many people actually fear the party founded on paper money would all of a sudden reverse it's policy.
 

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That is totally dishonest to do that when we had the fed then and it wasn't a real gold standard.

There exists a chart showing price stability when we had a gold standard without the fed, but Krugman isn't going to show it because it would prove him wrong.

Finally, the fed could lead to price instability with fiat currency so Krugman is totally dishonest for not pointing that out too. The reason qe hasn't lead to super high price inflation is because it's being done with near zero interest rates and so the banks are sitting on most of it.

I can't believe anyone actually thinks that the party of lincoln would favor Jacksonian economic policy. It bothers me that so many people actually fear the party founded on paper money would all of a sudden reverse it's policy.
The Republicans are the party of Lincoln in name only right now and have been for a while now.

I just can't believe they'd want to attach the US economy to something so unstable right now. Gold is in an incredible bubble right now that's going to pop in a couple years when everything settles down in the world.