GOP Leaders To Launch "Black Site" Leak Probe

[Pabster]

Story here.

:thumbsup: Talk about a leak which damaged national security. Let the investigation begin!

Won't it be interesting to see where this data came from...

 

[Todd33]

Wow, they are quick to call for investigations when leaks make them look bad. Then they stonewall investigations about WMDs, Iraq reconstruction money, etc. Self serving jack a$$es.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Wow, they are quick to call for investigations when leaks make them look bad. Then they stonewall investigations about WMDs, Iraq reconstruction money, etc. Self serving jack a$$es.

Arent you contradicting yourself?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

:thumbsup: Talk about a leak which damaged national security. Let the investigation begin!

Won't it be interesting to see where this data came from...

I'm not sure how it damaged national security, but it is a serious leak nontheless. Generally speaking, clandestine operations should live up to the name.

 

[techs]

Let me get this straight. From the article:

The Washington Post reported Nov. 2 on the existence of secret U.S. prisons in Eastern Europe for terrorism suspects. The Bush administration has neither confirmed nor denied that report.

and also from the article:

"If accurate, such an egregious disclosure could have long-term and far-reaching damaging and dangerous consequences, and will imperil our efforts to protect the American people and our homeland from terrorist attacks," Bill Frist

So basically it wouldn't be a crime to 'leak" info about something that doesn't exist. It would only be a crime if it did exist.

How the h*ll can you investigate this? "If accurate?" is Frist saying he doesn't know if its true even though he's the Senate majority leader? Or is he admitting its true by even asking for an investigation. And if so wouldn't the person guilty of leaking it be... Bill Frist?

 

[sandorski]

Certain "Classified"(does that even have meaning anymore when everything gets "classified" with this Admin?) materials deserve exposure. No one is above the Law, not the Government, Politicians, branches of government, nor even the King...oops, I meant President, himself. That is one of the fundamental principles on which Modern Civilization is biult and maintained.

 

[Rainsford]

This seems like a retarded political move. If we DON'T have secret prisons, then no one broke any laws and it's a complete waste of time. If we DO have secret prisons, then whoever revealed the information to the Post could be in trouble, but we'd be admitting that we have secret prisons. It's lose, lose. Either the GOP is grasping at straws, or they are admitting we have secret prisons for terrorism suspects. Neither seems like a particularly good thing from the Republican point of view.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Certain "Classified"(does that even have meaning anymore when everything gets "classified" with this Admin?) materials deserve exposure. No one is above the Law, not the Government, Politicians, branches of government, nor even the King...oops, I meant President, himself. That is one of the fundamental principles on which Modern Civilization is biult and maintained.

I agree, but someone will still probably get in trouble for revealing the information.

 

[Strk]

Yeah, it's kind of odd that the article is based purely on speculation. There is nothing proving that the prisons exist, just a story saying they might. The only reason to launch an investigation would be if they do exist, otherwise, it remains unsubstantiated speculation.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
This seems like a retarded political move. If we DON'T have secret prisons, then no one broke any laws and it's a complete waste of time. If we DO have secret prisons, then whoever revealed the information to the Post could be in trouble, but we'd be admitting that we have secret prisons. It's lose, lose. Either the GOP is grasping at straws, or they are admitting we have secret prisons for terrorism suspects. Neither seems like a particularly good thing from the Republican point of view.

I agree with you. It is perhaps the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard Frist say. And he's said some whopping stupid things in the past.

 

[dahunan]

Are these prisons legal under terms of the Geneva Conventions?

IS America a "civilized nation" that respects the RULE OF LAW and respects morality

Maybe we should send John McCain back to Vietnam and let them torture him since we think torture is OK

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: sandorski
Certain "Classified"(does that even have meaning anymore when everything gets "classified" with this Admin?) materials deserve exposure. No one is above the Law, not the Government, Politicians, branches of government, nor even the King...oops, I meant President, himself. That is one of the fundamental principles on which Modern Civilization is biult and maintained.

I agree, but someone will still probably get in trouble for revealing the information.

For sure, someone will pay, that's to be expected.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

The immorality of some politicians is startling.

 

[fornax]

So, if what was leaked is true, the CIA management together with the Bush junta has to go to jail because such prisons contradict several domestic and international laws to which we a signatory. If it wasn't true, nothing to investigate.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Won't it be interesting to see where this data came from...

Which do you fear more, the leak, or the ugly truth of the illegality and immorality behind it?

I'll take the truth.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Pabster
Won't it be interesting to see where this data came from...

Which do you fear more, the leak, or the ugly truth of the illegality and immorality behind it?

I'll take the truth.

Yeah, I'm hoping it is just bad reporting by the Washington Post. Although it wouldn't surprise me if it was true with this administration.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Pabster
Won't it be interesting to see where this data came from...

Which do you fear more, the leak, or the ugly truth of the illegality and immorality behind it?

I'll take the truth.

I'll take both. The truth of their existence doesn't mean they are wrong. However, someone compromising the security related to these places is very serious. You suggest the so-called CIA leak was serious, so why not this? I wonder if you'll be intellectually honest enough with your answer.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Pabster
Won't it be interesting to see where this data came from...

Which do you fear more, the leak, or the ugly truth of the illegality and immorality behind it?

I'll take the truth.

I'll take both. The truth of their existence doesn't mean they are wrong. However, someone compromising the security related to these places is very serious. You suggest the so-called CIA leak was serious, so why not this? I wonder if you'll be intellectually honest enough with your answer.

Huh? Do you honestly believe that these prisons are legal under Internationally recognized laws?

 

[Todd33]

It apears the leak was from the GOP, since the isue was discussed at a GOP only meeting. I just read that CNN reported Lott said this:

"We can not remain silent. We have met the enemy, and it is us."

No link yet.

 

[Thump553]

I think Frist needs a vacation, or at least less caffeine. He didn't get outraged like this when his party was playing fast and loose with CIA secrets for the sole purpose of political retaliation.

A very similar leak, the Pentagon Papers that were published in the NY Times, is widely regarded as one of the major factors in forcing an end to the US involvement in the Vietnam War.

 

[OrByte]

this is either bad media reporting by the WP or FOX or it is GOP deflection. I am sure a leak, if investigated, will turn out bad for the GOP...so why go down this road?

there is no "secret prison" just something to take our attention away from other, more real problems.

my .02

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

:thumbsup: Talk about a leak which damaged national security. Let the investigation begin!

Won't it be interesting to see where this data came from...

Too bad the GOP isn't so interested in an investigation to the CIA's end-run around our laws and the possible torture going on at these "black sites." :roll:

 

[dahunan]

This will blow-up like a Ron Jerremy movie right in their faces..

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Pabster
Won't it be interesting to see where this data came from...

Which do you fear more, the leak, or the ugly truth of the illegality and immorality behind it?

I'll take the truth.

I'll take both. The truth of their existence doesn't mean they are wrong. However, someone compromising the security related to these places is very serious. You suggest the so-called CIA leak was serious, so why not this? I wonder if you'll be intellectually honest enough with your answer.

Huh? Do you honestly believe that these prisons are legal under Internationally recognized laws?

First off, we don't know to what extent they exist, if at all. Second, if they do exist, it does not mean that they are wrong just because they exist. Third, if they exist, it needs to be determined what extent they are "ours" since they are reportedly in foreign lands.

There seems to be alot of speculation, but one thing is for sure, if they exist - someone leaked it to the press.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Pabster
Won't it be interesting to see where this data came from...

Which do you fear more, the leak, or the ugly truth of the illegality and immorality behind it?

I'll take the truth.

I'll take both. The truth of their existence doesn't mean they are wrong. However, someone compromising the security related to these places is very serious. You suggest the so-called CIA leak was serious, so why not this? I wonder if you'll be intellectually honest enough with your answer.

Huh? Do you honestly believe that these prisons are legal under Internationally recognized laws?

First off, we don't know to what extent they exist, if at all. Second, if they do exist, it does not mean that they are wrong just because they exist. Third, if they exist, it needs to be determined what extent they are "ours" since they are reportedly in foreign lands.

There seems to be alot of speculation, but one thing is for sure, if they exist - someone leaked it to the press.

This might be my last IF on this

IF they exist and belong to us and they are found to be illegal.. Isn't it a good thing that it was leaked to the press