GOP lawmakers tout projects in the stimulus bill they opposed

[boomerang]

Wait until you see how much it's going to cost to provide the real stimulus we need to attempt to pull out of this mess.

This bill is the result of years of pent up, forced constraint of the Democratic party. It has all the makings of turning your child loose in the candy store with carte blanche.

In three months, we're going to be looking at some very serious faces telling us that phase one did not achieve the expected results and they we are going to have to implement phase two. The price tag of which will knock the world on it's ass.

The phase one and two will be an attempt to make us think that this was the plan all along.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
I would like to make a special mention of the Gov of S Carolina. He is against the stimulus on principal, but I'd like to see him say no to the benefits that will come to S Carolina with the bill.

What's the word? Hypocrite?

Gov Pawlenty of Minn was on the Tube railing against the legislation. It was pointed out that Minnesota didn't have to take the cash.

He flinched :laugh: and will, of course, take the loot - - - Minnesota is facing a projected budget deficit of more than $5.27 billion over the next two and a half years.

Ditto, fool.

If you can't see the hypocrisy, pandering and political expedience we can't help you with that ...

 

[DealMonkey]

I heard Palin was flying in and out of Washington over the past month or so, lobbying for stimulus bucks for Alaska.

Classic! :laugh:

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: boomerang
Wait until you see how much it's going to cost to provide the real stimulus we need to attempt to pull out of this mess.

This bill is the result of years of pent up, forced constraint of the Democratic party. It has all the makings of turning your child loose in the candy store with carte blanche.

In three months, we're going to be looking at some very serious faces telling us that phase one did not achieve the expected results and they we are going to have to implement phase two. The price tag of which will knock the world on it's ass.

The phase one and two will be an attempt to make us think that this was the plan all along.

Absolutely right, except they all KNOW IT NOW! They want to sell us hope because hope is all that's left. Better to take your medicine in small dollops than all at once, eh?

Where are the people of strong character, abiding conviction, who are willing to tell the truth? No such man exists today in America, and maybe I am naive for believing that such a man ever existed.

We have all become bumbling sheep, afraid of our shadows, and weak of will and spirit. If I believed in God, I would say "God help us."

We should all weep for humanity...such as it is.

-Robert

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
I would like to make a special mention of the Gov of S Carolina. He is against the stimulus on principal, but I'd like to see him say no to the benefits that will come to S Carolina with the bill.

What's the word? Hypocrite?

What's hypocritical about that? One can oppose the passing of such a monstrosity, but once it has passed it's the citizens of his state that are going to be paying for it so they might as well take their share.

I oppose the most non-use taxes, but as long as I'm paying them I'll take whatever I can from government. Nothing hypocritical about that, unless you're a bitter, partisan, Democrat fool.

This is a man who has already asked for federal help with his state unemployment and then has the gall to go on national TV and make ideological (and based on partisanship) statements against taking federal bailout money, while already asking for, and taking bailout money. If you can't see the hypocrisy then I have no further comment.

I am not partisan, I am pragmatic enough to recognize that bailing out big banks, auto's etc is necessary in these times, even though I personally may not like it. And, therefore I do not rail against the concept.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: chess9
* * *
Thump: They are an increasingly conservative and increasingly minority party, so they must appeal now to their base to stay viable. The Republicans aren't on life support, but they are in a fight for their lives. Their tactic WAS petty, but it was also ballsy. Only time will tell if this approach will help them pull off a Gingrich style reversal of fortunes.

They might call it UnBushing America.

-Robert

I would love it if the GOP were conservative-that is a very legitamite and desireable political force needed in our government. But the fact is that the vast majority of national GOP figures give economic conservatism only lip service. Their driving agenda is so-called social conservatism-whereby they try to force their moral views upon everyone. That is anathema to true conservatism and is more akin to facism and/or the Taliban.

This hijacking of the GOP is the main reason it is becoming such a minority party, especailly here in the Northeast. In 2008 only 11% of the new political registrants in my state (CT) registered as Republican. Slice it any way you want, but that is scary.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: chess9
I think the Republicans were brilliant!

I don't. That's like saying that tricking a four year old with a lie is amazingly skilled.

They are just basically telling simple lies that unfortunately many people fall for.

Having said that, I think the criticism of Republicans for praising poritions of the bill that they like is excessive. Nothing really wrong with that.

If only the Dems had such balls!!!! Look, the Republicans are going to make the Dems take responsibility for this economy, even though much of it happened on Bush's watch. Three and a half more years of this economy and Americans will be voting for Mussolini's grand-son. Now there's a scary thought.

But, query, will Obama and the Dems in Congress ever get the balls to fight like this? No, they are a bunch of soft-bellied wimps. Obama is just too nice, and most of Congress is so worried about their own skin they'd vote for beer in every kitchen tap before they'd do something brave.

Sometimes, that criticism is valid; in this case, IMO it's not very valid, just a little in the way Obama incorporated too many Republican desires into the biill but got no votes.

Bottom line, the Democrats are leading the way on this and taking the heat for it, and the Repulbicans are left where they deserve on the sidelines.

FDR made Republicans pretty irrelevant, and Obama should do the same.

Some days it's very hard being a liberal Dem....

-Robert

It shouldn't be hard to be a liberal dem when it's about supporting good policies more than the political wins.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: Thump553

I would love it if the GOP were conservative-that is a very legitamite and desireable political force needed in our government. But the fact is that the vast majority of national GOP figures give economic conservatism only lip service. Their driving agenda is so-called social conservatism-whereby they try to force their moral views upon everyone. That is anathema to true conservatism and is more akin to facism and/or the Taliban.
.[/quote]

Well put.

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
I would like to make a special mention of the Gov of S Carolina. He is against the stimulus on principal, but I'd like to see him say no to the benefits that will come to S Carolina with the bill.

What's the word? Hypocrite?

Principled? Dignified? Big Balls?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: chess9
I think the Republicans were brilliant!

I don't. That's like saying that tricking a four year old with a lie is amazingly skilled.

They are just basically telling simple lies that unfortunately many people fall for.

Having said that, I think the criticism of Republicans for praising poritions of the bill that they like is excessive. Nothing really wrong with that.

If only the Dems had such balls!!!! Look, the Republicans are going to make the Dems take responsibility for this economy, even though much of it happened on Bush's watch. Three and a half more years of this economy and Americans will be voting for Mussolini's grand-son. Now there's a scary thought.

But, query, will Obama and the Dems in Congress ever get the balls to fight like this? No, they are a bunch of soft-bellied wimps. Obama is just too nice, and most of Congress is so worried about their own skin they'd vote for beer in every kitchen tap before they'd do something brave.

Sometimes, that criticism is valid; in this case, IMO it's not very valid, just a little in the way Obama incorporated too many Republican desires into the biill but got no votes.

Bottom line, the Democrats are leading the way on this and taking the heat for it, and the Repulbicans are left where they deserve on the sidelines.

FDR made Republicans pretty irrelevant, and Obama should do the same.

Some days it's very hard being a liberal Dem....

-Robert

It shouldn't be hard to be a liberal dem when it's about supporting good policies more than the political wins.

Being a thinking man - You are thinking too hard - people don't give a shit about motivations or leadership or whatever other ephemeral nuances you want to ascribe Politicians :

They care about results.

Failed results in Iraq is why Bush is a failure, not that he went in.

Failed economic and Iraq results are why Repulicans are relegated to window dressing right now.

It's an enormous political risk for Republicans but ballsy as hell - they are basically banking on the economy will get worse by 2010 elections and regaining house. It's really their only hope for maybe a generation as Bush fucked them bad. However all it takes is continued malise and people will vote their pocket book and Republicans will be right back in power due to Obamas failed results they had "nothing to do with"

 

[Starbuck1975]

If they are so against this bill, they should return the funds going to their districts.

Error...outrage not found.
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging support for aspects of the stimulus package while also recognizing that the legislation, taken as a whole, is poison...and voting against it for that reason.

Yep, bunch of cowards. Should have stripped funds going to Republican districts since they are so worried about the cost.

No...cowardice is going along with something that you know is wrong because it is politically risky to challenge the herd.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: chess9

Originally posted by: boomerang
Wait until you see how much it's going to cost to provide the real stimulus we need to attempt to pull out of this mess.

This bill is the result of years of pent up, forced constraint of the Democratic party. It has all the makings of turning your child loose in the candy store with carte blanche.

In three months, we're going to be looking at some very serious faces telling us that phase one did not achieve the expected results and they we are going to have to implement phase two. The price tag of which will knock the world on it's ass.

The phase one and two will be an attempt to make us think that this was the plan all along.

Absolutely right, except they all KNOW IT NOW! They want to sell us hope because hope is all that's left. Better to take your medicine in small dollops than all at once, eh?

Where are the people of strong character, abiding conviction, who are willing to tell the truth? No such man exists today in America, and maybe I am naive for believing that such a man ever existed.

We have all become bumbling sheep, afraid of our shadows, and weak of will and spirit. If I believed in God, I would say "God help us."

We should all weep for humanity...such as it is.

-Robert

They are there - Churchill, Lincoln and maybe Reagan (chartered it least) had that type of conviction - I wish Obama would lead like that. We need a serious overhaul to the established order and the quid pro quo going on in this country.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

If they are so against this bill, they should return the funds going to their districts.

Error...outrage not found.
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging support for aspects of the stimulus package while also recognizing that the legislation, taken as a whole, is poison...and voting against it for that reason.

In other words, the PORK for THEIR state or district is GOOD; the rest of the pork is bad? :laugh:

Yep, bunch of cowards. Should have stripped funds going to Republican districts since they are so worried about the cost.

No...cowardice is going along with something that you know is wrong because it is politically risky to challenge the herd.

Likewise, it isn't brave to vote against something that you know will pass even with your obstruction.

 

[Starbuck1975]

In other words, the PORK for THEIR state or district is GOOD; the rest of the pork is bad?

Or, if the federal government intends to piss away nearly a trillion dollars, might as well make sure my district gets a piece of the pie.

Likewise, it isn't brave to vote against something that you know will pass even with your obstruction.

Is it obstruction if the passing of something is inevitable? I would rather the minority party voice its opposition instead of go along with the herd.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yep, bunch of cowards. Should have stripped funds going to Republican districts since they are so worried about the cost.

Yeah, since Republicans aren't Americans.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yep, bunch of cowards. Should have stripped funds going to Republican districts since they are so worried about the cost.

Yeah, since Republicans aren't Americans.

If you listened to the Republicans during the campaign, you'd think that all Democrats were un-American, unpatriotic evildoers