GOP Lawmaker Says Businesses Should Be Allowed To Deny Services To Black People

[CrackRabbit]

Better numbers are the 90% for Gore in 2000 and 95% for Obama in 2008. So to answer Homer's "challenge", 5% of the black voters said McCain was too white. That's a hell of a lot more than the 50 righties he's trying to come up with.

I wish Condi Rice would run. One impressive woman. Wonder what the argument would be then if Repubs voted for her?

And Homer is right. There was/is a ton of racist crap said about O. If it weren't his color, it would have been something else. But the right doesn't have a lock on racism or other shitty behavior.

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_00.html
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_08.html

Condi is a very smart woman, but her help in selling the Iraq war would sink any chance she has at being elected within the next three or so decades.
Besides she seems to be very content to stay out of public office these days.

 

[highland145]

Condi is a very smart woman, but her help in selling the Iraq war would sink any chance she has at being elected within the next three or so decades.
Besides she seems to be very content to stay out of public office these days.

Yep. Too smart and not enough ego to run for office I imagine.

 

[Bowfinger]

Better numbers are the 90% for Gore in 2000 and 95% for Obama in 2008. So to answer Homer's "challenge", 5% of the black voters said McCain was too white. That's a hell of a lot more than the 50 righties he's trying to come up with.

I wish Condi Rice would run. One impressive woman. Wonder what the argument would be then if Repubs voted for her?

And Homer is right. There was/is a ton of racist crap said about O. If it weren't his color, it would have been something else. But the right doesn't have a lock on racism or other shitty behavior.

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_00.html
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_08.html

Umm, logic fail. Gore and Bush were effectively tied overall. In contrast, Obama beat McCain by eight points. Obama's five point increase in black support is consistent with his overall results. In short, Obama was a better candidate than Gore, and/or Bush was a better candidate than McCain.

 

[Jhhnn]

Come on yall, lets travel back in timeeeee!

Better yet, let Jim Crow fly you back!

Too bad the experience doesn't play the other way. Our usual ravers would be screwed if they wouldn't let white people into WalMart.

 

[highland145]

Umm, logic fail. Gore and Bush were effectively tied overall. In contrast, Obama beat McCain by eight points. Obama's five point increase in black support is consistent with his overall results. In short, Obama was a better candidate than Gore, and/or Bush was a better candidate than McCain.

It was 90/9 and 95/4 %. I'm telling Homer that 5% said McCain was too white. Simple.

 

[fskimospy]

It was 90/9 and 95/4 %. I'm telling Homer that 5% said McCain was too white. Simple.

I think what he's saying is that Al Gore got 90% of the black vote while only getting ~48% of the overall vote. Obama got ~53% of the vote. If everything were held constant between 2000 and 2008 (and of course it wasn't) you would expect Obama to increase his share of the vote by 5% in each demographic group. ie: 90% would become 95% even with no race preference.

Now clearly it isn't as simple as all that, but it is something to consider.

 

[Bowfinger]

It was 90/9 and 95/4 %. I'm telling Homer that 5% said McCain was too white. Simple.

Gore/Bush was 48/48 overall while Obama/McCain was 53/45 overall, i.e., Obama's support among ALL voters (not just black voters) increased by five points. So are you saying that 5% of all Americans voted for Obama because he is black? That's what you are insinuating if you claim the reason for Obama's increased support was race. A more reasoned view is that there are a myriad of reasons people vote the way they do, but in essence Obama got higher support than Gore because Obama was a stronger candidate than Gore (relative to their respective opponents).

 

[Jaskalas]

How can ANYONE support discrimination?

When you remove government omnipotence from the equation, things that appear contradictory are found to be reasonable. A person may oppose government authority to right wrongs, while still feeling things are wrong, and supporting people taking action.

The government did not sit on that bus, Rosa Parks did.

 

[Moonbeam]

We discriminate every day of our lives. That's what making a choice is, being discriminate.

A pointless statement, like saying we make moral choices every day. A common use of the term discriminate is to negatively discriminate based on irrational opinions. True discrimination implies discriminating between discrimination and not discriminating based on objective reality, not on the reality created by bigotry. To discriminate properly, one must understand oneself and what ones motivations are. To do that one must know what one feels. Almost nobody does because it awakens memories of the past, a horrible past in which we were trained to hate ourselves.

 

[highland145]

Gore/Bush was 48/48 overall while Obama/McCain was 53/45 overall, i.e., Obama's support among ALL voters (not just black voters) increased by five points. So are you saying that 5% of all Americans voted for Obama because he is black? That's what you are insinuating if you claim the reason for Obama's increased support was race. A more reasoned view is that there are a myriad of reasons people vote the way they do, but in essence Obama got higher support than Gore because Obama was a stronger candidate than Gore (relative to their respective opponents).

Now I get what you're saying and that makes sense.

About 2M more blacks voted in 2008 as compared to 2004. Maybe they thought McCain was too white.

Interesting side note on 2012:

The report, released Wednesday, found that more than 66% of eligible blacks voted in the presidential contest. Only 64.1% of whites turned out to vote.


This marks the first time since 1968 that blacks turned out at a higher rate the whites.
In addition to blacks turning out at a higher rate, the number of Asian and Hispanic voters grew from 2008 to 2012. Hispanics added 1.4 million people and Asians added over 500,000. Between 1996 and 2012, blacks, Asians and Hispanics all saw their percentage of the voting population increase.

And 2008 compared to 2004:

But with Barack Obama on the ballot, the makeup of the 131 million who voted last year was markedly different. While the number of non-Hispanic white voters remained roughly the same, 2 million more blacks, 2 million more Latinos and 600,000 more Asians turned out. Compared with 2004, the voting rate for black, Asian and Hispanic voters increased by about four percentage points. The rate for whites declined by one percentage point.

I don't think I started the derailing but I sure have contributed to it now. Oops.

 

[HomerJS]

It was 90/9 and 95/4 %. I'm telling Homer that 5% said McCain was too white. Simple.

This is silly and does not refute my premise.

Dems on average in presidential elections already get over 90% of the black vote.

So what Democrat said McCain was too white??

 

[highland145]

This is silly and does not refute my premise.

Dems on average in presidential elections already get over 90% of the black vote.

So what Democrat said McCain was too white??

I already told you. The 2 M more that voted in '08.