GOP House fights for the Canadian economy

[Bitek]

Good start to the new GOP Senate when the first order of business is doing the bidding of foreign corporations.

Concern for American infrastructure/jobs/wage growth/equality? Not so much.

How many bridges do we need built, but Republicans are busy using eminent domain to seize land to give away to foreign oil companies, as their top priority no less....

 

[Jaskalas]

Good start to the new GOP Senate when the first order of business is doing the bidding of foreign corporations.

Concern for American infrastructure/jobs/wage growth/equality? Not so much.

How many bridges do we need built, but Republicans are busy using eminent domain to seize land to give away to foreign oil companies, as their top priority no less....

How many for-profit bridges do you want us to build?

Unless you can show me where the taxpayers are building this pipeline, your mind has completely foregone the meaning of a private entity being behind the pipeline. All we're doing is granting them permission to expand American energy infrastructure... we're not building it for them.

How could you not realize this distinction? It's mind-blowing.

 

[Brainonska511]

I could see him vetoing the bill (for its encroachment on Executive authority), while letting the pipeline be approved.

 

[cbrunny]

Canada will sell the oil regardless. Claiming the Keystone pipeline is “fighting for the Canadian economy" is clearly partisan bullshit.

Uh that's not true. Well, not quite as true as you've put it. Canada will sell the oil - yes, but it is far to our advantage to export it and a pipeline allows us to move it cheaply and easily relative to alternatives. Keystone does help Canada far more than the US. No doubt about it.

 

[Tombstone1881]

In the last month, there have been 5 pipeline breaks. One of them was a breach spilling 3 million gallons of toxic brine. In 2006 there was a leak of 1 million gallons of brine spilled which is still being cleaned up TODAY! How long will it take to clean up 3 million gallons?

Why are republicans so bent on helping out Canada sell their oil on the world market? Canada won't even allow that pipeline on their own land, and they are the ones who will reap the profits, while the US will receive nothing but all the environmental risks.

Then again, it will create about 35 permanent jobs. The GOP version of a jobs bill.

 

[cbrunny]

The alternative to a pipeline is trains.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...-the-numbers-catalogue-of-a-tragedy-1.2934592

 

[Tombstone1881]

They have trains in Canada. They can transport it across their own lands.

Or they can allow that pipeline to be built. Across their own lands.

 

[fskimospy]

Where were you went Obamas stimulus was being pushed if you are so worried about temp jobs.

The purpose of the stimulus was to generate demand during a time where fiscal multipliers were particularly high. Even if those jobs were temporary they led to large related increases to GDP and a permanent economic improvement.

I for one have no idea why this pipeline has become such a totem. Its overall impact on the economic picture is tiny compared to the attention it gets.

 

[Matt1970]

Yes or no, will a completed pipeline do anything for the US economy?

Oh I see, "completed". What about the jobs to build it?

 

[Tombstone1881]

Poisoning rivers destroying drinking water for entire towns and regions. Destroying land so it can be no longer functional for farming or any other use.

Meh. No big deal.

 

[Tombstone1881]

Oh I see, "completed". What about the jobs to build it?

A couple of months of temp work for a couple of thousand people.

Yeah, that will have a giant impact on our GDP. After that, there will be about 35 new permanent jobs.

And when it breaches and spills toxic tar sands everywhere, it will create more jobs cleaning it up. Great jobs plan GOP!

 

[Matt1970]

Poisoning rivers destroying drinking water for entire towns and regions. Destroying land so it can be no longer functional for farming or any other use.

Meh. No big deal.

If that were truly your concern then you might want to shut down the hundreds we already have.

 

[Matt1970]

A couple of months of temp work for a couple of thousand people.

Yeah, that will have a giant impact on our GDP. After that, there will be about 35 new permanent jobs.

And when it breaches and spills toxic tar sands everywhere, it will create more jobs cleaning it up. Great jobs plan GOP!

Ya fuck them people right?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Fuck Canada, their economy, and the horse they rode in on! /s

 

[IronWing]

Fuck Canada, their economy, and the horse they rode in on! /s

Having spent several years working with Canadian carpetbaggers on various projects in the US, yes, this exactly.

 

[tracerbullet]

If that were truly your concern then you might want to shut down the hundreds we already have.

That's a system of natural gas pipelines. Not oil. Most people would call that apples / oranges.

If / when you do find an oil pipeline map, you may want to consider the diameter of the proposed Keystone pipeline vs the average.

 

[Jaskalas]

In the last month, there have been 5 pipeline breaks. One of them was a breach spilling 3 million gallons of toxic brine. In 2006 there was a leak of 1 million gallons of brine spilled which is still being cleaned up TODAY! How long will it take to clean up 3 million gallons?

Why are republicans so bent on helping out Canada sell their oil on the world market? Canada won't even allow that pipeline on their own land, and they are the ones who will reap the profits, while the US will receive nothing but all the environmental risks.

Then again, it will create about 35 permanent jobs. The GOP version of a jobs bill.

You could persuade me, and many likely voters, with a "it's too dangerous" argument if it was well presented. Your comments alone have piqued my interest.

Keystone XL has only ever been wrapped in Climate Change rhetoric, which creates backlash and entrenches us into supporting the pipeline. Those activists nearly ensure its creation by our hatred for them.

But... if this discussion brought attention to American failures to secure pipelines... to maintain and keep the land around them safe. Well, Americans ARE big on security. I just don't think that argument has successfully been presented to me, or many others.

 

[rudeguy]

Poisoning rivers destroying drinking water for entire towns and regions. Destroying land so it can be no longer functional for farming or any other use.

Meh. No big deal.

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[Doc Savage Fan]

Having spent several years working with Canadian carpetbaggers on various projects in the US, yes, this exactly.

And all this time I thought they were one of our closest allies. Silly me.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

That's a system of natural gas pipelines. Not oil. Most people would call that apples / oranges.

If / when you do find an oil pipeline map, you may want to consider the diameter of the proposed Keystone pipeline vs the average.

Here ya go.

Click here to enlarge map More than 190,000 miles of liquid petroleum pipelines traverse the United States. They connect producing areas to refineries and chemical plants while delivering the products American consumers and businesses need. Pipelines are safe, efficient and, because most are buried, largely unseen. They move crude oil from oil fields on land and offshore to refineries where it is turned into fuels and other products, then from the refineries to terminals where fuels are trucked to retail outlets. Pipelines operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

 

[IronWing]

And all this time I thought they were one of our closest allies. Silly me.

Good fences make good neighbors. Laws that allow foreign companies to assrape us, not so good.

 

[Tombstone1881]

If that were truly your concern then you might want to shut down the hundreds we already have.

Those are all pipelines to send Canadian oil for sale to the world market?
I don't think so.

Got any more apples to oranges comparisons?

 

[Matt1970]

Those are all pipelines to send Canadian oil for sale to the world market?
I don't think so.

Got any more apples to oranges comparisons?

Because it comes from Canada is it an apples to oranges comparison? Ok pal.

 

[Genx87]

The purpose of the stimulus was to generate demand during a time where fiscal multipliers were particularly high. Even if those jobs were temporary they led to large related increases to GDP and a permanent economic improvement.

I for one have no idea why this pipeline has become such a totem. Its overall impact on the economic picture is tiny compared to the attention it gets.

I understand the purpose of the stimulus was a short term burst to the GDP. But my point to Uber was if temp jobs are such a big deal to him. Why doesnt he complain when other projects create temp jobs?

As for this project I agree with you. But it is a symptom of being in a democracy imo. Sides are digging in over ideological lines. Why one pipeline has taken this long to even be approved is just idiotic. The economic benefits are minimal yes. But that isn't a reason to shut the project down.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Good fences make good neighbors. Laws that allow foreign companies to assrape us, not so good.

Please explain how we're getting ass-raped on this project.