GOP freshman: Where's my health care?

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You're the one trying to make the point that the GOP is against the Federal Government using tax payer money to pay Federal Government employees, you should probably find some proof.

That is not my point. You are misreading what im trying to say. They are against it for the general public ,then they should be against it for themselves as well. Hence hypocrit.
 

ModestGamer

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Your obviously not understanding the inherent problems with the current model. Right now your paying 30-40% more then you should for care.

Doctors should earn a wage worthy of their ability.

Doctors don't deserve to make a profit? Why don't you become a doctor and then you can give away your services. You could even start an insurance company and cover everyone for free, come on now, it'd feel great wouldn't it?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Right now your paying 30-40% more then you should for care.

I take it you are an expert in health care systems or an actuary in the field. Pray tell, how did you come to your analysis?

Doctors should earn a wage worthy of their ability.

And their responsibility, which is your life. Of course that has nothing to do with the 30-40% figure you pull out from your studies, but being an expert in the field you must know that.
 

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this is about the dumbest argument i've read in p&n in months.
 

ShawnD1

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How many jobs have you had where benefits kick in on day 1? Every job that I have had where healthcare coverage is provided has had a 90 day waiting period.
It's about half and half for me. Half of the jobs started coverage on day 1 and I would get an insurance card in maybe a week or two. The other half had about a 90 day wait.


Doctors don't deserve to make a profit? Why don't you become a doctor and then you can give away your services. You could even start an insurance company and cover everyone for free, come on now, it'd feel great wouldn't it?
Doctors aren't so bad. It's god damn lawyers that need to die. Because your doctor doesn't want to be sued, he'll send you for $10,000 worth of scans and blood tests and piss tests just because you have a 1 day headache. If he doesn't request all of this useless bullshit testing, he might get sued.
It's the "better safe than sorry" approach to medicine. Instead of taking a very very small risk and waiting a little bit to see what develops, the doctor will immediately jump to the most expensive tests possible. That way it's YOUR fault you didn't get the test, and therefore it's your fault cancer was not detected, and you can't sue because the doctor ordered every test known to man.
 
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xj0hnx

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Are police departments for profit? Sure they all get payed for their service but they are a non for profit entity. Do firemen show up to a burning house and ask for a credit card?


Should the military be for profit? Should we just outsource the entire military to Halliburton or whatever they call themselves now?

Police, firemen, and military don't have to pay tens of thousands of dollars to spend years studying their field so they can practice.

For profit INSURANCE, dipshit.

Right, they should just start paying for every bodies medical bills because it makes them feel good, that would last about a week. Maybe if people didn't put everything from a bottle of aspirin to routine check ups, on their insurance and used it like it was intended prices wouldn't be so retarded high, maybe if doctors and hospitals didn't bill ridiculous charges because they know they'll get paid prices wouldn't be so high. And why shouldn't insurance companies make a profit? They are providing YOU a service, there's no right to have an insurance company pay for you health care.
 

JD50

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That is not my point. You are misreading what im trying to say. They are against it for the general public ,then they should be against it for themselves as well. Hence hypocrit.

No, that doesn't even make sense. They are against it for themselves too when they're not employed by the Federal Government, of course they aren't against employer funded healthcare when the Federal Government is the employer. How would the federal government ever attract quality employees if they didn't provide health insurance and other benefits to their employees? I don't believe anyone has suggested that federal government should stop providing health insurance for their employees.

Again, you're completely confusing the issue or you don't actually understand the debate over tax payer funded health care.
 

JD50

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Is there anyone else besides soulcougher73 that thinks that there's no difference between the government funding healthcare for the entire population of this country and the government providing health insurance coverage for their employees?
 

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My employer provides tons of great benefits and is one of the best employers in Florida, we have a 90 day waiting period.

For those of you that have NEVER had such a policy, thank your local union.
 

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My employer provides tons of great benefits and is one of the best employers in Florida, we have a 90 day waiting period.

For those of you that have NEVER had such a policy, thank your local union.

Haha, "thank my local union"? LOL there's no union and we don't have a wait period.
 

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So this guy sees there's a LAW which prevents Congressmen from getting benefits immediately, not any necessity and he's a stupid GOP tea bagger who isn't asking for free anything. He's working for it.

What law would that be?

Fern said:
It seems to me that "Fred the janitor" might be someone trying to 'hit and run' just for medical benefits.

A Congressperson OTOH, no. You don't campaign for 18 months just to hope to win and then get benefits and quit.


Fern said:
A little reading indicates some employers have a waiting period to deter 'hit and run", where an employee with a pre-existing condition seeks and gets a job just for the medical benefits. I.e., sign up and get your benefits and not really ever be able to work.

I can understand that.

But this guy is now in Congress, the whole 'hit and run' thing makes no sense. Coverage should start day #1.

So after fighting tooth and nail against healthcare reform and telling the country we have the best healthcare in the world, a GOP senator has experienced something most people go through for lesser healthcare, and the conservatives are outraged! Finally they have a cause to champion in healthcare reform, and as always its the people who help the least.

And don't bother to point out that most people go through this for coverage or they become furious and shout stop complaining and get a better job! Of course they never think of saying that to a GOP senator, the person who was actually complaining...
 

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My employer provides tons of great benefits and is one of the best employers in Florida, we have a 90 day waiting period.

For those of you that have NEVER had such a policy, thank your local union.

What union?
 

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Quote:What law would that be?

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You have an opinion and you didn't bother to read the article?
 

JD50

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What law would that be?






So after fighting tooth and nail against healthcare reform and telling the country we have the best healthcare in the world, a GOP senator has experienced something most people go through for lesser healthcare, and the conservatives are outraged! Finally they have a cause to champion in healthcare reform, and as always its the people who help the least.

And don't bother to point out that most people go through this for coverage or they become furious and shout stop complaining and get a better job! Of course they never think of saying that to a GOP senator, the person who was actually complaining...

I'd suggest for the senator to find an employer that doesn't impose a 30 day waiting period if he doesn't think his current job is worth it. I think it's a BS restriction and I'd encourage everyone to stay away from employers that do that.
 

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Right, they should just start paying for every bodies medical bills because it makes them feel good, that would last about a week. Maybe if people didn't put everything from a bottle of aspirin to routine check ups, on their insurance and used it like it was intended prices wouldn't be so retarded high, maybe if doctors and hospitals didn't bill ridiculous charges because they know they'll get paid prices wouldn't be so high. And why shouldn't insurance companies make a profit? They are providing YOU a service, there's no right to have an insurance company pay for you health care.

For those who want to decide who lives and dies, if medicine is beyond your reach, there's always health insurance.

The scam that keeps on taking.
 

ShawnD1

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Why do gubment employees even have group coverage? They should get the same bullshit non-group policies that millions of Americans need to deal with. Then they might be a bit more motivated to fix problems.
 

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Both actually. You made a claim in your post and you were just hoping no one called you on it. Back it up or move on to the next argument where you'll do about the same thing. Happens every time. Its not my job to waste my time trying to find links to back up information that is pretty obviously just pulled out the thin air that is your talking points of the day.
Facts exist independently of my ability or desire to produce them on demand. If your request for facts was reasonable, I might oblige. It's obviously not. Indeed, the intent of the request was to be unreasonable. That makes you a douchebag. It makes you an even bigger douchebag because you knew you were wrong up front but made the request anyway.
 

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Haha, "thank my local union"? LOL there's no union and we don't have a wait period.

Durrrrr.......

Whether you have a local union or not, organized labor is the reason you don't have a wait period.
 

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As a supporter of the free market, you should have no problem with Congressmen purchasing private insurance for 30 days.
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I don't.

I do think Congress should have some have plans already prepared for them to purchase (and I think they do) so they don't have to waste time shopping around. There's an awful lot to do as a freshman Congressperson.

Fern
 

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Are police departments for profit? Sure they all get payed for their service but they are a non for profit entity. Do firemen show up to a burning house and ask for a credit card?


Should the military be for profit? Should we just outsource the entire military to Halliburton or whatever they call themselves now?

Why don't progressives get together and start a real non-profit HI company?

Get MoveOn.org/George Soros etc involved. Why wait around for the federal government to do it? (the latter is a trick question, btw)

Fern
 

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You have an opinion and you didn't bother to read the article?

No, I read the article but it doesn't mention what this law is, and other articles about this incident that don't just copy politco don't mention a law at all. Since you keep going on about this law I figured you know about this law and aren't just assuming its true. So feel free to share with us what law it is that keeps newly elected senators from recieving benefits.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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He is opposing Obamacare mandate that employers provide health care too. So he wants his employer mandated to provide health care on day one, while millions of people go without any employer provided health care at all.

That was pretty good twisting of the facts. So if he refused to carry his "mandated" insurance do you know that he'd be punished for it? Oh, no he wouldn't.

I mean you have to conflate the issues but hey we can still call you on it.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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No, I read the article but it doesn't mention what this law is, and other articles about this incident that don't just copy politco don't mention a law at all. Since you keep going on about this law I figured you know about this law and aren't just assuming its true. So feel free to share with us what law it is that keeps newly elected senators from recieving benefits.

From the OP-

Republican Andy Harris, an anesthesiologist who defeated freshman Democrat Frank Kratovil on Maryland’s Eastern Shore, reacted incredulously when informed that federal law mandated that his government-subsidized health care policy would take effect on Feb. 1 – 28 days after his Jan. 3rd swearing-in.