Gop fracturing? Carson threatens to leave

[BxgJ]

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/ben-carson-rnc-washington-post-216674

From the article -

Ben Carson on Friday blasted the Republican National Committee following a Washington Post report that nearly two-dozen establishment party figures were prepping for a potential brokered convention as Donald Trump continues to lead most polls.
RNC Chairman Reince Priebus held a dinner in Washington, D.C., on Monday, and, according to five people who spoke with the Post, the possibility of Trump heading into the Cleveland convention with a substantial number of delegates was a topic of discussion. Some attendees suggested the establishment lay the groundwork for a floor fight that could lead the party’s mainstream wing to unite behind an alternative. Carson rejected this approach.

“If the leaders of the Republican Party want to destroy the party, they should continue to hold meetings like the one described in the Washington Post this morning,” Carson said in a statement released by his campaign.
Carson said he prays the Post’s report is incorrect and threatened to leave the GOP. “If it is correct, every voter who is standing for change must know they are being betrayed. I won’t stand for it,” said Carson, who added that if the plot is accurate, “I assure you Donald Trump won’t be the only one leaving the party.”

I know Trump has repeatedly threatened to run as an independent, if not 'treated fairly', but could Carson's statement be an indication that some will actually leave the party? It would be painful in the near-term, but should allow the gop to take more sensible positions, and be more viable long-term.

It certainly may amount to nothing however. Every other recent attempt to break this two party system has failed.

 

[thraashman]

The best thing that could happen to the GOP is having people like Trump, Carson, Cruz, and Huckabee leave it. It would be the first step to heading back towards sanity for them.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

And no fucks were given. Its Carsons way of getting out of the race he doesn't want to be President

 

[BxgJ]

The best thing that could happen to the GOP is having people like Trump, Carson, Cruz, and Huckabee leave it. It would be the first step to heading back towards sanity for them.

It seems to me that Cruz is trying to keep a foot in both camps, maybe hoping that as the two sides grow further apart he is the option they are forced to choose. I don't think it will work, but it seems to be his play atm.

 

[JSt0rm]

The best thing that could happen to the GOP is having people like Trump, Carson, Cruz, and Huckabee leave it. It would be the first step to heading back towards sanity for them.

without the mob of retards the corporatists cant get shit done.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Carson is in this thing to sell books and justify higher speaking fees. He's a grifter.

Ben Carson's fame at 14:59 and counting...

 

[soundforbjt]

Carson is in this thing to sell books and justify higher speaking fees. He's a grafter.

Ben Carson's fame at 14:59 and counting...

Fox News gig? Worked for Palin.

 

[Jaepheth]

Well, that's what happens when you pump garbage (waste water) into your party at high pressure.

 

[boomerang]

Carson is in this thing to sell books and justify higher speaking fees. He's a grafter.

Ben Carson's fame at 14:59 and counting...

Like Carson needs the money.

 

[Blackjack200]

Every other recent attempt to break this two party system has failed.

Huh? What attempt has there been? Both parties are entrenched and benefit from the two party system. They're not changing a thing.

You think that if the nationalists or libertarians splinter off from the Republican party, they're going to gain power? No way. That's why the GOP leadership is fighting to hold it together.

 

[JSt0rm]

Like Carson needs the money.

Always make more money forever.

 

[soundforbjt]

Like Carson needs the money.

Carson was ranked sixth on the list of presidential candidates' net worth, according to USA Today on Aug. 26, right behind Kasich, Clinton, Bush, Fiorina, and, of course, Trump.

http://moneymorning.com/2015/10/02/ben-carson-net-worth-paid-speeches-and-public-appearances/

 

[BxgJ]

Huh? What attempt has there been? Both parties are entrenched and benefit from the two party system. They're not changing a thing.

You think that if the nationalists or libertarians splinter off from the Republican party, they're going to gain power? No way. That's why the GOP leadership is fighting to hold it together.

Perot? Various other minor candidates (libertarians, etc.)? That's what I was saying, any attempt has failed, and badly. Yes both are entrenched, but the republican party will only continue to decline if it gives in to the demands of those that support Trump. That is where the split is, between the older, more conservative republicans, and those that realize the only future nationally for the party is to become more inclusive. It gets worse every presidential election, look at 2012. So many said they would win, and afterward at least some realized that 2008 was not a 'blip', so much as an indication of the way things were going.

I don't think they will gain power if Trump splits off, but they may have a future. As it is it's either that, and proceed forward hoping enough of them show up to vote republican, or continue to rile their voters up even more, likely with even worse consequences.

 

[Blackjack200]

Perot? Various other minor candidates (libertarians, etc.)? That's what I was saying, any attempt has failed, and badly. Yes both are entrenched, but the republican party will only continue to decline if it gives in to the demands of those that support Trump. That is where the split is, between the older, more conservative republicans, and those that realize the only future nationally for the party is to become more inclusive. It gets worse every presidential election, look at 2012. So many said they would win, and afterward at least some realized that 2008 was not a 'blip', so much as an indication of the way things were going.

I don't think they will gain power if Trump splits off, but they may have a future. As it is it's either that, and proceed forward hoping enough of them show up to vote republican, or continue to rile their voters up even more, likely with even worse consequences.

A few whimsical 3rd party/independent bids for the presidency is not the same thing as a serious and credible effort to dismantle the two party system. The only way you move away from a two party system is to allow for proportional representation. A winner-take-all system like we have now will always drift to two parties because people recognize that voting for a 3rd party only increases the likelihood that the other side will win.

The reason the Republican party is getting rocked right now is because a substantial portion of it refuses to accept that political reality, and if they continue to refuse to accept it, they will hand the election to Hillary Clinton.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Like Carson needs the money.

Yeah it would be insane, like Papa John looking to make 25 extra cents per pizza...wait....

Being serious I do doubt its the money, I think he's running because people wanted him to run so he decided to try. He doesn't want to be President.

 

[Jhhnn]

The best thing that could happen to the GOP is having people like Trump, Carson, Cruz, and Huckabee leave it. It would be the first step to heading back towards sanity for them.

Well, yeh, but Repubs would have no voter base.

I wonder how it feels looking down from the top & realizing "We built this."

 

[kage69]

Fox News gig? Worked for Palin.

I would argue nothing really worked for Palin. Fox gave her walking papers pretty soon on and everybody else is tired of her trying to make a buck from mangling talking points and spewing word salad.

Today she is synonymous with hypocrisy and having an abnormally low intellect. When it comes to embarrassing yourself on national television, few people can step to Palin in that game. Bush, Bachmann, maybe one or two others. Carson may be an odd guy, prone to some bizarre thinking, but I don't think we'll be seeing him use Palin as an example to follow. He doesn't need to fleece teahadi and PACs, he's got Dr money.

 

[werepossum]

I would argue nothing really worked for Palin. Fox gave her walking papers pretty soon on and everybody else is tired of her trying to make a buck from mangling talking points and spewing word salad.

Today she is synonymous with hypocrisy and having an abnormally low intellect. When it comes to embarrassing yourself on national television, few people can step to Palin in that game. Bush, Bachmann, maybe one or two others. Carson may be an odd guy, prone to some bizarre thinking, but I don't think we'll be seeing him use Palin as an example to follow. He doesn't need to fleece teahadi and PACs, he's got Dr money.

Palin did a very good job in Alaska though before she began running for the gold. (Well, silver.) My theory is that there was a sizable faction just waiting for someone to kick out of power the corrupt Murtheson-Stevens clique. And that they had shiny objects to distract her if she wandered into the office. (Or wondered into the office.)

"The beekeeper would like you to sign this, your majesty."

Still a smokin' hot MILF though, if one can slip between the PBR cans and rednecks wrestling on the trailer lawn.

 

[DrDoug]

Like Carson needs the money.

Really, the guy has all of the money he needs so why would he want to make more in such an easy way? Rich people usually make their money and then go spend it and have a good time because they don't need to make more money since they're now set for life.

Yeah...

The fact is that Citizens United is killing the Republican party. Before CU the RNC pretty much ran the show at election time since they held the reins on power and big money. They acted as a throttle on who entered the contest and how it was run. Now that people can throw money at their candidate like dudes at a strip club throwing money at a pole dancer, the RNC has lost control of the primary process and now candidates can run amok without consequences to the party leaders. No, the idiots that are running on the right are doing it for just that, their egos and the easy cash.

Except Trump, he's in it for his ego only.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Like Carson needs the money.

Perhaps...Carson does make a good point. As for the "brokered" or better yet "broken" convention". If the GOP goes against the voters, and cheats Trump out of the nomination, Carson does not want to be part of that kind of corruption. His quote " My campaign is about “We the People” not “They the Powerful.” is spot on.

If Trump gets his ass handed to him once the primaries actually start, then he's done. Yes, he likes to get on camera, but he's not interested in looking like a chump. But if he does well, even a respectable second place? Then there's trouble. If Trump is convinced he "should have" won except for establishment cheating? There's your third party run. If Trump is ahead? Well, that's when the establishment tries to crush him by any means necessary. Could get ugly.

 

[kage69]

Palin did a very good job in Alaska though before she began running for the gold. (Well, silver.) My theory is that there was a sizable faction just waiting for someone to kick out of power the corrupt Murtheson-Stevens clique. And that they had shiny objects to distract her if she wandered into the office. (Or wondered into the office.)

"The beekeeper would like you to sign this, your majesty."

Still a smokin' hot MILF though, if one can slip between the PBR cans and rednecks wrestling on the trailer lawn.

Not sure I can agree on Palin doing "a very good job" when Alaska is still the biggest welfare recipient of federal money, and they had to add new Executive branch ethics rules to the books after she quit before her term was over. Not sure how people listened to her regarding spending given what Wasilla's coffers looked like before, and after Palin had control of them.

When Palin first emerged onto the scene, I was right there with you. Holy smoking hawt MILF! Would smash. Since then her level of stupid has almost completely smothered the MILF appeal. I think of of bouncing Palin tits, and I all I hear is "People don't elect presidents, GOD DOES!"

I'll save the eye humping for Dennis Kucinich's old lady.

 

[BxgJ]

Not sure I can agree on Palin doing "a very good job" when Alaska is still the biggest welfare recipient of federal money, and they had to add new Executive branch ethics rules to the books after she quit before her term was over. Not sure how people listened to her regarding spending given what Wasilla's coffers looked like before, and after Palin had control of them.

When Palin first emerged onto the scene, I was right there with you. Holy smoking hawt MILF! Would smash. Since then her level of stupid has almost completely smothered the MILF appeal. I think of of bouncing Palin tits, and I all I hear is "People don't elect presidents, GOD DOES!"

I'll save the eye humping for Dennis Kucinich's old lady.

Lol!

 

[norseamd]

without the mob of retards the corporatists cant get shit done.

This.

This deal was made back in the late 60s and early 70s with Nixon as a key man. The right wing social conservatives are suppose to provide the voter mass to support the corporatists. The question is can America break free of Fascism, and yes I mean true Fascism.

 

[disappoint]

Yeah it would be insane, like Papa John looking to make 25 extra cents per pizza...wait....

Being serious I do doubt its the money, I think he's running because people wanted him to run so he decided to try. He doesn't want to be President.

What makes you think he doesn't want to be president?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What makes you think he doesn't want to be president?

He just doesn't take it seriously. He took a 2(?) week break to sell his book, he makes minimal attempts at the debates. No facts its just my opinion.
I feel Bush is in a similar spot. He's running for President because people wanted him to run.