GOP establishment has chosen their candidates...

[HomerJS]

Listen to the right wing blowhards Rush, Hannity et al and note the regurgitated talking points.

They claim not to take sides but it's clear by the bashing of Huckabee, McCain and Ron Paul who the "establishment elite" want, Guliani, Romney or Thompson.

They've also made a living for the last 6 months bashing Hillary now the bashing of Obama has begun. The right wing consirasy is still in play.

 

[lozina]

That's the neocon establishment you are referring to

 

[reeserock]

They probably want Jeb Bush to be VP with one of them.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

They claim not to take sides but it's clear by the bashing of Huckabee, McCain and Ron Paul who the "establishment elite" want, Guliani, Romney or Thompson.

Of course. Rush, Hannity et al are ethical turds. Who else would they support but those like themselves? :roll:

 

[Ryan]

The establishment.....might not be the establishment after 2008......

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
Listen to the right wing blowhards Rush, Hannity et al and note the regurgitated talking points.

They claim not to take sides but it's clear by the bashing of Huckabee, McCain and Ron Paul who the "establishment elite" want, Guliani, Romney or Thompson.

They've also made a living for the last 6 months bashing Hillary now the bashing of Obama has begun. The right wing consirasy is still in play.

First, I don't think they are part of the Repub establishment. The Repub establishment controls the RNC purse strings and commands state organizations. It's not the "talking heads".

Secondly, McCain & Huckabee have records and/or hold positions unpopular with many republicans. McCain's campaign finance and illegal immigration work is highly unpopular. Huckabee's tax record and illgeal immigration stance is too.

Guliani? He's got probs with stance on some issues too (gun, gay, abortion and wife/family issues). I don't see any such backing for him.

Romney's an outsider currently blowing his own dough.

Thompson they might like if he was a more vigorous candidate.

Thirdly, I'm pretty sure that they haven't "chosen" anyone yet. I think there's some added confusion/caution at the moment because they're starting to think they need a candidate to run against Obama, instead of HRC.

Finally, contrary to your conclusion recent reports by inside sources indicate the so-called establishment is looking at Mccain & Huckabee. So at this point (which is still premature IMO) looks like one of those two will get that support.

Fern

 

[bamacre]

They are only pushing Romney because he has been throwing punches with Huckabee, and Huckabee poses a threat to, who I believe is their choice, Rudy. Rudy is the guy to fill his staff with the same people Bush has. Maybe not the same people, but people with the same ideals, i.e., neo-conservatives. Once they use Romney to knock down Huckabee, they'll knock Romney down to then push Rudy. This will probably be done all within January, before Super Tuesday.

This is kind of interesting because Rudy is not a big supporter of the 2nd amendment. You can take this in the direction you wish. But think about it.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: bamacre
This is kind of interesting because Rudy is not a big supporter of the 2nd amendment.

That's an understatement.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: bamacre
This is kind of interesting because Rudy is not a big supporter of the 2nd amendment.

That's an understatement.

And, IMO, scary.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Ryan
The establishment.....might not be the establishment after 2008......

They'll still be establishment with the GOP, the Republican base is too strong and brainwashed by now.
It's probably going to take a decade of losses before they get to some serious self reflection and people get over the fact that they defaulted on their Contract with America.

 

[Pabster]

You're wrong (as usual...) Senseamp. There's a real rift now between 2 distinct factions of the base. The fiscal conservatives, and the religious right. It's hardly a united party, as much as you and your ilk would try and paint it so.

 

[pstylesss]

I'm not too happy with any of the candidates who are actually possibilities. I do not like Mitt at all and I have a feeling he is getting the backing of Hannity by the way he has been talking. Fox creams themselves over the guy... I think it's the hair.

 

[fskimospy]

As I said before, if Obama becomes the nominee for the Democrats prepare for all the love being thrown his way by the usual right wing suspects to evaporate in a heartbeat. They will go after him like rabid dogs... completely ignoring the fact that a few months earlier they were talking about how they liked him.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
I'm not too happy with any of the candidates who are actually possibilities. I do not like Mitt at all and I have a feeling he is getting the backing of Hannity by the way he has been talking. Fox creams themselves over the guy... I think it's the hair.

Read my post above. Rudy is their man. They're just used Romney to knock down Huckabee.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
I'm not too happy with any of the candidates who are actually possibilities. I do not like Mitt at all and I have a feeling he is getting the backing of Hannity by the way he has been talking. Fox creams themselves over the guy... I think it's the hair.

Read my post above. Rudy is their man. They're just used Romney to knock down Huckabee.

There is no way he will get the nomination. Reasons below:

Gay Marriage
2nd Amendment
Abortion


Those three are too big for most conservatives to overlook. I have a feeling Rudy will be dropping out soon.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
As I said before, if Obama becomes the nominee for the Democrats prepare for all the love being thrown his way by the usual right wing suspects to evaporate in a heartbeat. They will go after him like rabid dogs... completely ignoring the fact that a few months earlier they were talking about how they liked him.

Yeah, but ugly partisan mudslinging is by no means unusual, and they're going to nominate McCain, who doesn't even have the same odds as an ice cube does in hell.

Quite frankly, I think Hillary's crowd has been acting a bit strangely about her demise. Those right-wingers are doing the Dems a favor. Hillary had no chance of being elected. And whatever ugly rabid dog mud you think will be slung against Obama would have been infinitely worse against Hillary.

And wake up, guys, the Pubs are deeply divided right now. Bush & Co. has split their party to pieces. Only a tragic misstep by the Dems could get them 4 more years in the White House, and they know it. If you're concerned about some unexpected support for Obama coming from the right, it's not because they think Hillary would be more electable (far from it), it's because they hate her that much.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
As I said before, if Obama becomes the nominee for the Democrats prepare for all the love being thrown his way by the usual right wing suspects to evaporate in a heartbeat. They will go after him like rabid dogs... completely ignoring the fact that a few months earlier they were talking about how they liked him.

Wow and here I was thinking I was the only one who saw through that bullshit

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: eskimospy
As I said before, if Obama becomes the nominee for the Democrats prepare for all the love being thrown his way by the usual right wing suspects to evaporate in a heartbeat. They will go after him like rabid dogs... completely ignoring the fact that a few months earlier they were talking about how they liked him.

Wow and here I was thinking I was the only one who saw through that bullshit

Exactly. :thumbsup:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: eskimospy
As I said before, if Obama becomes the nominee for the Democrats prepare for all the love being thrown his way by the usual right wing suspects to evaporate in a heartbeat. They will go after him like rabid dogs... completely ignoring the fact that a few months earlier they were talking about how they liked him.

Wow and here I was thinking I was the only one who saw through that bullshit

Exactly. :thumbsup:

Well yeah, but see my post above. They're shooting themselves in the foot for the short-term gain of getting Hillary out of the race.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Vic
Yeah, but ugly partisan mudslinging is by no means unusual, and they're going to nominate McCain, who doesn't even have the same odds as an ice cube does in hell.

Quite frankly, I think Hillary's crowd has been acting a bit strangely about her demise. Those right-wingers are doing the Dems a favor. Hillary had no chance of being elected. And whatever ugly rabid dog mud you think will be slung against Obama would have been infinitely worse against Hillary.

And wake up, guys, the Pubs are deeply divided right now. Bush & Co. has split their party to pieces. Only a tragic misstep by the Dems could get them 4 more years in the White House, and they know it. If you're concerned about some unexpected support for Obama coming from the right, it's not because they think Hillary would be more electable (far from it), it's because they hate her that much.

Oh I didn't mean that the mudslinging was the part that should be noticed, that's just politics. They will be hurling crap at someone they were praising such a short time ago though, that I expect to be some startlingly naked hypocrisy even compared to what we're used to.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Oh I didn't mean that the mudslinging was the part that should be noticed, that's just politics. They will be hurling crap at someone they were praising such a short time ago though, that I expect to be some startlingly naked hypocrisy even compared to what we're used to.

Heh. Point taken. But this is the United States of Amnesia... we're not supposed to notice these things.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: HomerJS
Listen to the right wing blowhards Rush, Hannity et al and note the regurgitated talking points.

They claim not to take sides but it's clear by the bashing of Huckabee, McCain and Ron Paul who the "establishment elite" want, Guliani, Romney or Thompson.

They've also made a living for the last 6 months bashing Hillary now the bashing of Obama has begun. The right wing consirasy is still in play.

First, I don't think they are part of the Repub establishment. The Repub establishment controls the RNC purse strings and commands state organizations. It's not the "talking heads".

Secondly, McCain & Huckabee have records and/or hold positions unpopular with many republicans. McCain's campaign finance and illegal immigration work is highly unpopular. Huckabee's tax record and illgeal immigration stance is too.

Guliani? He's got probs with stance on some issues too (gun, gay, abortion and wife/family issues). I don't see any such backing for him.

Romney's an outsider currently blowing his own dough.

Thompson they might like if he was a more vigorous candidate.

Thirdly, I'm pretty sure that they haven't "chosen" anyone yet. I think there's some added confusion/caution at the moment because they're starting to think they need a candidate to run against Obama, instead of HRC.

Finally, contrary to your conclusion recent reports by inside sources indicate the so-called establishment is looking at Mccain & Huckabee. So at this point (which is still premature IMO) looks like one of those two will get that support.

Fern

Because all the blowhards are spouting the same story I know it's RNC talking points.

As for McCain, why were the establishment putting him down in 2000, before campain finance and immigration?

Remember the only people not being trashed are Romney, Guliani and Thompson. They have many conservative shortcomings but the blowhards make excuses for them while trashing the others.

They haven't chosen one yet but I can tell the ones they want gone.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: HomerJS
Listen to the right wing blowhards Rush, Hannity et al and note the regurgitated talking points.

They claim not to take sides but it's clear by the bashing of Huckabee, McCain and Ron Paul who the "establishment elite" want, Guliani, Romney or Thompson.

They've also made a living for the last 6 months bashing Hillary now the bashing of Obama has begun. The right wing consirasy is still in play.

First, I don't think they are part of the Repub establishment. The Repub establishment controls the RNC purse strings and commands state organizations. It's not the "talking heads".

Secondly, McCain & Huckabee have records and/or hold positions unpopular with many republicans. McCain's campaign finance and illegal immigration work is highly unpopular. Huckabee's tax record and illgeal immigration stance is too.

Guliani? He's got probs with stance on some issues too (gun, gay, abortion and wife/family issues). I don't see any such backing for him.

Romney's an outsider currently blowing his own dough.

Thompson they might like if he was a more vigorous candidate.

Thirdly, I'm pretty sure that they haven't "chosen" anyone yet. I think there's some added confusion/caution at the moment because they're starting to think they need a candidate to run against Obama, instead of HRC.

Finally, contrary to your conclusion recent reports by inside sources indicate the so-called establishment is looking at Mccain & Huckabee. So at this point (which is still premature IMO) looks like one of those two will get that support.

Fern

Because all the blowhards are spouting the same story I know it's RNC talking points.

As for McCain, why were the establishment putting him down in 2000, before campain finance and immigration?

Remember the only people not being trashed are Romney, Guliani and Thompson. They have many conservative shortcomings but the blowhards make excuses for them while trashing the others.

They haven't chosen one yet but I can tell the ones they want gone.

Because McCain, Huckabee, and Paul would all redefine the GOP if they got the nomination.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: lozina
That's the neocon establishment you are referring to

Hillary fits that mold too, but I have come to understand that anyone who uses the term "bashing" or "neocon" isn't worth discussing issues with.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: bamacre
This is kind of interesting because Rudy is not a big supporter of the 2nd amendment.

That's an understatement.

And, IMO, scary.

What? You don't like the idea of electing a president who wants you to sacrifice more freedoms and information about yourself, while taking away the right to defend yourself? That's just silly