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GOP attempting to maximize long term damage done to America

I would think the GOP would do this whether they think they will or won't retain the Senate so I'm not sure what you are on about except the usual liberal need to call things stupid.
 
Moonbeam said:
I would think the GOP would do this whether they think they will or won't retain the Senate so I'm not sure what you are on about except the usual liberal need to call things stupid.
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I'm not sure what you're on about except your usual nonsensical argument to play devil's advocate in order to placate your desire to appear philosophical in light of blatantly obvious bullshit.

Is there something wrong with calling stupid things what they are?
 
darkswordsman17 said:
I'm not sure what you're on about except your usual nonsensical argument to play devil's advocate in order to placate your desire to appear philosophical in light of blatantly obvious bullshit.

Is there something wrong with calling stupid things what they are?
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I believe conservatives have a brain defect. It isn't really a defect, it is just a reliance to react to fear with low level but high speed reasoning. Conservatives have irrational fears and an inability to objectively assess risk. They are first to the top of the trees when something tawny or is spotted slinking through the bushes. They are the first out of the frying pan but often land in the fire. It's an excellent survival strategy for the Pleistocene. Liberals, in turn, find this behavior terrifying and the absence of what they can do, suppress fear long enough to evaluate risk, means that sometimes they are the first to be eaten but the last to leap our of a cold pan into a nearby fire. When conservatives try to make liberals react irrationally, the reaction is to call them stupid. But it isn't stupid when you survive and watch liberals get eaten. So my objection to dank is that the identification of conservatives as stupid is stupid even though they act in ways we call stupid because doing that is why liberals have a hard time winning elections. When conservatives hear a liberal message they say to themselves, who is going to listen to somebody so stupid they will stand around and get eaten. Liberals need to get off that stupid horse and start to realize they need to tailor a message that takes into account conservative fears and the innate survival value of their reactions. Calling people stupid is a kind of arrogance. Don't call people who are fearful stupid, that their fears are ridiculous. Acknowledge their inner wisdom, the world is dangerous, and call your message the fastest way to the top of the tree. Then make sure it is.
 
“Senate Republicans are racing to confirm as many federal judges as they can before November's midterm elections when control of the Senate could flip to Democrats. It's a process that was made easier by then Majority Leader Harry Reid's 2013 decision to exercise the so-called "nuclear option," ending the minority party's ability to use the filibuster to block nominees.”

Reid and McConnell both destroyed the civility of the Senate
 
I have an appropriate finger gesture for what I think about the current argument from the GOP about what has to be done with a vacant Supreme Court seat in an election year.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
“Senate Republicans are racing to confirm as many federal judges as they can before November's midterm elections when control of the Senate could flip to Democrats. It's a process that was made easier by then Majority Leader Harry Reid's 2013 decision to exercise the so-called "nuclear option," ending the minority party's ability to use the filibuster to block nominees.”

Reid and McConnell both destroyed the civility of the Senate
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Think for yourself.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
“Senate Republicans are racing to confirm as many federal judges as they can before November's midterm elections when control of the Senate could flip to Democrats. It's a process that was made easier by then Majority Leader Harry Reid's 2013 decision to exercise the so-called "nuclear option," ending the minority party's ability to use the filibuster to block nominees.”

Reid and McConnell both destroyed the civility of the Senate
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The senate wasn’t civil then either and Reid was smart to eliminate the filibuster for nominees. His only mistake was not eliminating it for everything else. Republicans were filibustering things at a rate never seen before in the history of the country and it was damaging the courts’ ability to function.

So anyway this is the Republicans’ right to do and I don’t blame them for doing it. I hope Democrats are taking notes though and eliminate the filibuster entirely next time it is convenient.
 
Moonbeam said:
I would think the GOP would do this whether they think they will or won't retain the Senate so I'm not sure what you are on about except the usual liberal need to call things stupid.
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They would not have the current urgency. I mean, calling out the SCOTUS and asking them to hurry up and go away? Doesn't matter though, no matter how low they sink, they will always have Starbuck and company to claim both sides the same.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
“Senate Republicans are racing to confirm as many federal judges as they can before November's midterm elections when control of the Senate could flip to Democrats. It's a process that was made easier by then Majority Leader Harry Reid's 2013 decision to exercise the so-called "nuclear option," ending the minority party's ability to use the filibuster to block nominees.”

Reid and McConnell both destroyed the civility of the Senate
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Reid had to do it because McConnell was 100% dedicated to blocking everything. McConnell is one of the worst things to ever happen to this country.
 
If this means appointing partisan hacks as judges then not a good thing

If this means principled justices like Neil Gorsuch who uphold the constitution instead of rewriting it to their own interests, then this is a good thing
 
dank69 said:
Sure, so you thought about how much the GOP was obstructing back then and then figured both Reid and McConnell were to blame.
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McConnell was wrong to lead the GOP towards obstruction for the sake of obstruction. Reid was a poor majority leader and made short sighted reactionary decisions that are now crippling the Democrats as the minority party.
 
Noah Abrams said:
If this means appointing partisan hacks as judges then not a good thing

If this means principled justices like Neil Gorsuch who uphold the constitution instead of rewriting it to their own interests, then this is a good thing
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Let's not leave out his unstellar support of women`s rights and his myopic interpretations of laws that have benefited corporate rights over individual's.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
McConnell was wrong to lead the GOP towards obstruction for the sake of obstruction. Reid was a poor majority leader and made short sighted reactionary decisions that are now crippling the Democrats as the minority party.
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I'm sure you can list some of those reactionary decisions.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Reid and McConnell both destroyed the civility of the Senate
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What civility would that be? Requiring 60 votes to do anything is downright foolish. And to idolize it? No thanks.
If a party holding both chambers and the white house cannot get anything accomplished, then what is the point of elections?
The backlash following the ACA began in 2010 and eventually culminated in 2016. That was no small mandate, however wrong it is.

I think I'd much rather see the will of the people be done, than for our system to rot away and for people to realize they need alternative means than political discourse.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
McConnell was wrong to lead the GOP towards obstruction for the sake of obstruction. Reid was a poor majority leader and made short sighted reactionary decisions that are now crippling the Democrats as the minority party.
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Do you honestly think McConnell wouldn’t have nuked the judicial filibuster here? He decided to embargo Obama’s SCOTUS selection for a year based on nothing. He would not sit by and let Democrats return the favor.
 
Jaskalas said:
2016: Nearly 400 House bills stuck in Senate limbo



Both parties have used the Senate rules to obstruct everything for well over a decade now.
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I bet if you analyzed each of the bills that was actually stalled by Democrats you would agree it is a shit bill. I bet if you analyzed each of the bills stalled by the GOP over the last decade you would agree it was simply to prevent the Democrats from getting a win and/or screwing Republican donors.
 
MooseNSquirrel said:
Let's not leave out his unstellar support of women`s rights and his myopic interpretations of laws that have benefited corporate rights over individual's.
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I am sure the same interpretations of the law are fine with the left when he ruled against the govt recently in deporting illegal immigrants. If we can't respect people who are honorable, then that is a problem.
 
Noah Abrams said:
I am sure the same interpretations of the law are fine with the left when he ruled against the govt recently in deporting illegal immigrants. If we can't respect people who are honorable, then that is a problem.
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When he makes a good decision, we commend him for making that good decision. We do not forget all the bad decisions he's made in the past. On the flip side, when a Democrat or liberal makes a good decision, conservatives spin it into a bad decision. The worst decision ever made, believe me.
 
dank69 said:
When he makes a good decision, we commend him for making that good decision. We do not forget all the bad decisions he's made in the past. On the flip side, when a Democrat or liberal makes a good decision, conservatives spin it into a bad decision. The worst decision ever made, believe me.
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Yes of course conservatives lack principles just as much as liberals do.

But there is no good or bad decision. The decision has to be based on the constitution and law, that is all.
 
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