GOP and Christian Dominionism..Perry and Bachman

[tydas]

I'd like to hear the rationale from the moderate GOPers for supporting these wackjobs..no difference at all to extremists Islam...we critisize extreme religous movements in other countries when our home grown version is probably the worst...


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...nd-rick-perry-s-dangerous-religious-bond.html

"Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry aren't just devout—both have deep ties to a fringe fundamentalist movement known as Dominionism, which says Christians should rule the world."

 

[Ausm]

Moderate Republican?? I think they would classify themselves as independents.

 

[soundforbjt]

"moderate GOPers"

Is there such a thing?

 

[Fear No Evil]

We're now comparing Bachmann to Perry to extreme islam? LOL. The lefties are losing it more quickly than I thought. How long until this type of rhetoric leads to an attempt on one of their lives? Hopefully the secret service gets their budget approved to protect these candidates from the extreme left hate out there.

 

[Ausm]

"moderate GOPers"

Is there such a thing?

Not in Congress that's for sure they all moved so far to the right that they completed a full circle.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Scared Americans think this country is out of control.

They feel as if millions of Americans are being killed each day by invading drug lords, religious extremists and are sucked dry financially by scam artists. They feel an illegal Socialist Radical Muslim murderer is in the White House.

The fear has blinded all sense of reason and rationale thought.

So, they pick and follow people they think will guide them to safety. People who tell them what they want to hear.

 

[werepossum]

I'd like to hear the rationale from the moderate GOPers for supporting these wackjobs..no difference at all to extremists Islam...we critisize extreme religous movements in other countries when our home grown version is probably the worst...


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...nd-rick-perry-s-dangerous-religious-bond.html

"Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry aren't just devout—both have deep ties to a fringe fundamentalist movement known as Dominionism, which says Christians should rule the world."

Thanks for going the extra mile to make sure no one thinks you are less than a total whack job. You might want to add something though about why "Dominionism" is probably worse than radical Islam which every year murders thousands of people, 'cause we probably can't laugh at your original post ALL day long. We're going to need a little extra foaming moonbattery to keep us chuckling through supper, and if you're reading The Daily Beast, we know you're good for it.

 

[CrackRabbit]

We're now comparing Bachmann to Perry to extreme islam? LOL. The lefties are losing it more quickly than I thought. How long until this type of rhetoric leads to an attempt on one of their lives? Hopefully the secret service gets their budget approved to protect these candidates from the extreme left hate out there.

Thank you for my daily laugh.

 

[cubby1223]

I'd like to hear

What kinds of responses are you expecting when your lies begin within the first 5 words of your post?

 

[woolfe9999]

Thanks for going the extra mile to make sure no one thinks you are less than a total whack job. You might want to add something though about why "Dominionism" is probably worse than radical Islam which every year murders thousands of people, 'cause we probably can't laugh at your original post ALL day long. We're going to need a little extra foaming moonbattery to keep us chuckling through supper, and if you're reading The Daily Beast, we know you're good for it.

Actually the analogy between Dominionism and radical Islam, with its advocacy of religious (Sharia) law is very apt. The more precise analogy is to the radical Islamists who want to achieve their objectives politically rather than through terrorism. Daniel Pipes, one of Americas foremost critics of Islam, has made this distinction repeatedly in his writings.

The part that I am skeptical about is the extent of Bachman's and/or Perry's connections to Dominionism. The case is a little stronger for Bachman based on the evidence presented, but I'd have to see a lot more evidence to be convinced. This strikes me as somewhat similar to the whole Obama/Bill Ayers guilt by association thing. Obama travelled in lefty circles and so was bound to press palms with some of its fringy members. Similar to being a Christian and traveling in religious circle, you'd bound to associate with some of its whackiest members. Doesn't necessarily mean they support all of their most extreme views.

There's enough here to raise an eyebrow but no more than that.

- wolf

 

[werepossum]

Actually the analogy between Dominionism and radical Islam, with its advocacy of religious (Sharia) law is very apt. The more precise analogy is to the radical Islamists who want to achieve their objectives politically rather than through terrorism. Daniel Pipes, one of Americas foremost critics of Islam, has made this distinction repeatedly in his writings.

The part that I am skeptical about is the extent of Bachman's and/or Perry's connections to Dominionism. The case is a little stronger for Bachman based on the evidence presented, but I'd have to see a lot more evidence to be convinced. This strikes me as somewhat similar to the whole Obama/Bill Ayers guilt by association thing. Obama travelled in lefty circles and so was bound to press palms with some of its fringy members. Similar to being a Christian and traveling in religious circle, you'd bound to associate with some of its whackiest members. Doesn't necessarily mean they support all of their most extreme views.

There's enough here to raise an eyebrow but no more than that.

- wolf

To be very apt you'd have to show equal bad effects. Good luck trying to convince intelligent people that banning gay marriage is as bad as, much less worse than, burning gays alive, or crushing them beneath a wall, or stoning them to death. I agree with your second paragraph though; politicians of all stripes associate with a lot of unsavory characters in search of votes and campaign cash.

 

[JSt0rm]

We're now comparing Bachmann to Perry to extreme islam? LOL. The lefties are losing it more quickly than I thought. How long until this type of rhetoric leads to an attempt on one of their lives? Hopefully the secret service gets their budget approved to protect these candidates from the extreme left hate out there.

shut up you fat fuck. Maybe we should roll your fat ass around and put you in front of the candidates you love so much.

 

[tydas]

Thanks for going the extra mile to make sure no one thinks you are less than a total whack job. You might want to add something though about why "Dominionism" is probably worse than radical Islam which every year murders thousands of people, 'cause we probably can't laugh at your original post ALL day long. We're going to need a little extra foaming moonbattery to keep us chuckling through supper, and if you're reading The Daily Beast, we know you're good for it.

Very well written! Your right, looking back through history I can't recall any supposed peaceful extremist groups that eventually resorted to violence…

 

[woolfe9999]

To be very apt you'd have to show equal bad effects. Good luck trying to convince intelligent people that banning gay marriage is as bad as, much less worse than, burning gays alive, or crushing them beneath a wall, or stoning them to death. I agree with your second paragraph though; politicians of all stripes associate with a lot of unsavory characters in search of votes and campaign cash.

You do know that some of these radical Christian groups support the death penalty for homosexuality, right? For example, the kill the gays law in Uganda that was supported by a Christian faction here in the U.S.

Look, I'm not saying that Perry or Bachman hold these views. As I said, that is the weakness in the article IMO. I just think you're in denial about the fringe Christian elements in our society.

- wolf

 

[werepossum]

You do know that some of these radical Christian groups support the death penalty for homosexuality, right? For example, the kill the gays law in Uganda that was supported by a Christian faction here in the U.S.

Look, I'm not saying that Perry or Bachman hold these views. As I said, that is the weakness in the article IMO. I just think you're in denial about the fringe Christian elements in our society.

- wolf

Specifically I'm in denial that they are anywhere near as big a threat as radical Islam, which IS killing people in very large numbers. Our fringe Christian elements I rate as no more dangerous than our fringe militant atheist or militant Islamic or hardcore Marxist or anarchist groups.

 

[tydas]

You do know that some of these radical Christian groups support the death penalty for homosexuality, right? For example, the kill the gays law in Uganda that was supported by a Christian faction here in the U.S.

Look, I'm not saying that Perry or Bachman hold these views. As I said, that is the weakness in the article IMO. I just think you're in denial about the fringe Christian elements in our society.

- wolf

I would agree that neither Perry or Bachman believe in Christian domination however you cannot give fuel to these people by having a presidential candidate in bed with them@!@
But come on, you’re not the least bit concerned a presidential candidate is on the same stage as these people?

http://www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-new...ys-prayer-rally-a-dominionist-power-play.html

 

[woolfe9999]

Specifically I'm in denial that they are anywhere near as big a threat as radical Islam, which IS killing people in very large numbers. Our fringe Christian elements I rate as no more dangerous than our fringe militant atheist or militant Islamic or hardcore Marxist or anarchist groups.

I'm not even attempting to describe the magnitude of threat of any of these groups (radical atheists?). I am just making a comparison in ideology between two of them. And it is, indeed, an apt comparison. The real issue here is whether or not Perry or Bachman actually agree with the ideology.

 

[woolfe9999]

I would agree that neither Perry or Bachman believe in Christian domination however you cannot give fuel to these people by having a presidential candidate in bed with them@!@
But come on, you’re not the least bit concerned a presidential candidate is on the same stage as these people?

http://www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-new...ys-prayer-rally-a-dominionist-power-play.html

Like I said, it raises an eyebrow. Of course it concerns me. There's enough there to warrant looking into it further. There just isn't enough to really establish the direct ideological connection that the article suggests. Obama got associated with people like Ayers and Rev. Wright and the association was exploited for political reasons. I think it would be hypocritical to argue guilt by association for Bachmann or Perry.

 

[tydas]

Specifically I'm in denial that they are anywhere near as big a threat as radical Islam, which IS killing people in very large numbers. Our fringe Christian elements I rate as no more dangerous than our fringe militant atheist or militant Islamic or hardcore Marxist or anarchist groups.

Are you kidding me? you want to grab a point and time and say well, christians are good right now and muslims are bad?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

shut up you fat fuck. Maybe we should roll your fat ass around and put you in front of the candidates you love so much.

The Party of Intellectualism and Civil Discourse speaks! Now it looks like we'll need to double the Secret Service budget!

 

[werepossum]

Are you kidding me? you want to grab a point and time and say well, christians are good right now and muslims are bad?

Assuming that time is NOW, then yes, absolutely. Embrace reality, not what you imagine reality might one day become. Try it, it's what people who AREN'T idiots do, and it's highly useful.

 

[davmat787]

Are you kidding me? you want to grab a point and time and say well, christians are good right now and muslims are bad?

Well, do you think we should keep looking back to the days of the Inquisition, Crusades vs. Salamin (sp?) etc? This is why many of these religions are still fighting, to fight wrongs from not even the previous millennium, but the prior and even go back farther to justify heinous acts and hatred.

Is that what you are suggesting we do here?

 

[Moonbeam]

Specifically I'm in denial that they are anywhere near as big a threat as radical Islam, which IS killing people in very large numbers. Our fringe Christian elements I rate as no more dangerous than our fringe militant atheist or militant Islamic or hardcore Marxist or anarchist groups.

So I guess you prefer the lesser of two evils. Hehehehehe

 

[tydas]

Assuming that time is NOW, then yes, absolutely. Embrace reality, not what you imagine reality might one day become. Try it, it's what people who AREN'T idiots do, and it's highly useful.

How do you even walk? since you can't imagine one foot in front of the other?

and this sounds like a real fun place to live

"the New Apostolic Reformation, which advocates for Christians to "reclaim the seven mountains of culture": government, religion, media, family, business, education, and arts and entertainment. "

 

[JSt0rm]

The Party of Intellectualism and Civil Discourse speaks! Now it looks like we'll need to double the Secret Service budget!

Yeah. Energy costs will go up flying his fat ass all over the country :biggrin: