GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[Bitek]

I've made the comment before that the ONE silver lining with the left losing is there tends to be way more creative and funny people on the left than the right. So at least the left is able to come up with funny memes, observations, videos, stories etc etc. Whereas the right would just come up with something stupid like "Killary".

Don't forget 'Illery.

Really stretched the brain cells for that one.

 

[Bitek]

IDK if anyone watched the Spicy press conference today, but he went out of his way to attack the CBO. Talking point is also being repeated by other Rs.

Telecasting that the scoring is going to be fucking horrible and they need to create an alt fact universe before it gets released.

I'm sure it's already made it over to Fox.

 

[First]

IDK if anyone watched the Spicy press conference today, but he went out of his way to attack the CBO. Talking point is also being repeated by other Rs.

Telecasting that the scoring is going to be fucking horrible and they need to create an alt fact universe before it gets released.

I'm sure it's already made it over to Fox.

Ha, yeah you know this bill is going to score like shit when they're so blatantly making shit up about CBO. It's not like any other credible alternative will score it much better. It's still a horrid budget buster in the hundreds of billions that'll kick millions off insurance.

 

[Bitek]

Ha, yeah you know this bill is going to score like shit when they're so blatantly making shit up about CBO. It's not like any other credible alternative will score it much better. It's still a horrid budget buster in the hundreds of billions that'll kick millions off insurance.

Didn't they pass that "dynamic scoring" horseshit so they can claim the GDP growth will be +15% and everything balances in the end?

 

[First]

Didn't they pass that "dynamic scoring" horseshit so they can claim the GDP growth will be +15% and everything balances in the end?

Dynamic scoring is apparently a double edged sword; when you take the economic effects of (for example) healthcare legislation into account, which is mostly seen in the tax cuts Repubs are including in this AHCA proposal, it actually can have the opposite effect because dynamic scoring might conclude the effects of reduced revenues and larger long term debt and/or reduced gov't spending will wipe out any stimulative effect of tax cuts (which are small anyway).

So basically R's are still fucked even using dynamic scoring models, though I wouldn't put it past this Congress forcing some misleading constraint on the CBO analysis that makes things appear significantly more rosy, but nothing I can imagine that'll erase hundreds of billions in deficits and millions losing insurance.

 

[Sea Ray]

You're confused. You're talking about catastrophic coverage or something else, not barebones plans. The issue with barebones plans has always been about how many won't cover major illnesses. Below's an article before ACA plans became available on the exchanges, link here:



Read more if you're interested.

More than likely you don't know/remember what you actually purchased, and are using terms you don't understand (barebones).

There's nothing sacred about the term bare bones health plans. It may very well mean something different to you than to me. If you want to call it a catastrophic plan, fine. Neither term was on my policy. But the point is it doesn't cover all the crap that Obamacare has forced onto me. What do I need with maternity or birth control?

 

[Sea Ray]

I've never doubted you supported single payer, I doubt your ability to reconcile disparate facts, or even just to separate fact from fiction, due to your partisan nature. Pretty straight forward.

If he supports single payer, he could only be partisan if he supports many other left wing positions too. Are you sure that's what you're saying?

 

[Sea Ray]

Call it catastrophic or bare-bones but this is what I was talking about:

Catastrophic health insurance plans provide bare-bones insurance coverage in exchange for low monthly premiums.

https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...tastrophic-health-insurance-and-is-it-wo.aspx

 

[Jhhnn]

There's nothing sacred about the term bare bones health plans. It may very well mean something different to you than to me. If you want to call it a catastrophic plan, fine. Neither term was on my policy. But the point is it doesn't cover all the crap that Obamacare has forced onto me. What do I need with maternity or birth control?

It broadens the risk pool. You help pay for stuff they might need & vice-versa.

What kind of premiums would you expect to pay for comprehensive coverage when you're older & need it if only people like you are part of the pool?

You'd best make a whole shitpile of money in the meanwhile because you'll need it if you have your way today.

 

[K1052]

Trump apparently threatened that he'd go out into the states and hold "football stadium rallies" to push vulnerable D senators to support the plan. Not sure how viable that plan is.

 

[trenchfoot]

It broadens the risk pool. You help pay for stuff they might need & vice-versa.

What kind of premiums would you expect to pay for comprehensive coverage when you're older & need it if only people like you are part of the pool?

You'd best make a whole shitpile of money in the meanwhile because you'll need it if you have your way today.

The problem with that is that's not what the GOP is selling to their followers. In fact, that's exactly what the GOP is attempting to hide from them.

A conundrum still exists for Trump and the GOP in that they're attempting to squeeze more tax cuts for the wealthy out of the shell game they're playing with this "cheaper more affordable" replacement plan of theirs when the only way they can do that is to fool their working class constituents into believing that this GOP version is going to be good for them while the GOP is actually attempting to take things away from them in order to give it to the very wealthy.

The tax cuts the GOP want to give to the wealthy have to come from somewhere, and true to form, the GOP will always rely on their working class loyalists (and force the rest of us) to make the necessary sacrifices so that the GOP's wealthy benefactors can get whatever they demand.

 

[sandorski]

Don't worry, if you lose your Insurance, you can just go to the Emergency department. What's old is new again!

 

[Zorba]

Trump apparently threatened that he'd go out into the states and hold "football stadium rallies" to push vulnerable D senators to support the plan. Not sure how viable that plan is.

He will either way, so no point in appeasing him on this POS.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Vulnerable d senators, at this point it would be tough to find them. If anything, trumps election has energized Americans political attention, voters are watching you blue senators

 

[agent00f]

In Docs defense he agrees its a crappy bill

Then immediately diverts blame to the democrats, who've been attempting some single-payer compromise with said cancer and getting obstructed.

You have a similar problem with pcgeek, who's barely smart enough to grasp that costs are the real issue, but it's not as if cancer is going to back down on anti-gubmint agitprop to institute price controls.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Don't worry, if you lose your Insurance, you can just go to the Emergency department. What's old is new again!

Your comment is based on a myth. ACA did NOT lower ER visits as proponents promised. Alternate reality is alternate reality.

Contrary to goals, ER visits rise under Obamacare
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...sits-rise-under-affordable-care-act/26625571/

U.S. Emergency-Room Visits Keep Climbing
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-emergency-room-visits-keep-climbing-1430712061

Illinois emergency room visits increased after Obamacare, study says
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-emergency-visits-obamacare-0830-biz-20160829-story.html

More evidence expanding Medicaid increases emergency room visits
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...emergency-room-visits/?utm_term=.bcf69f4e1073

 

[fskimospy]

Your comment is based on a myth. ACA did NOT lower ER visits as proponents promised. Alternate reality is alternate reality.

Contrary to goals, ER visits rise under Obamacare
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...sits-rise-under-affordable-care-act/26625571/

U.S. Emergency-Room Visits Keep Climbing
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-emergency-room-visits-keep-climbing-1430712061

Illinois emergency room visits increased after Obamacare, study says
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-emergency-visits-obamacare-0830-biz-20160829-story.html

More evidence expanding Medicaid increases emergency room visits
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...emergency-room-visits/?utm_term=.bcf69f4e1073

He was pretty obviously pointing to people resorting to the ER because they must provide uncompensated care even if you lack insurance, not visits to the ER in general.

The good news is that the ACA was VERY effective in reducing uncompensated care, which is a success I assume you join us in celebrating.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It's unfortunate that waiting to the last minute is still the mindset people get into.

When I was a younger guy in my early 20's, I did the same thing. It wasn't until I had children that my attitude towards how to use Healthcare changed.

Maybe this should be taught in schools now, as part of health class. Preventative care versus emergency care.

 

[brycejones]

Trump apparently threatened that he'd go out into the states and hold "football stadium rallies" to push vulnerable D senators to support the plan. Not sure how viable that plan is.

The best rallies. Thousands of people wearing the same outfit standing in panned formations to provide a unified look for the camera with great banners and lights aimed to the sky. They will be so bigly.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

In Docs defense he agrees its a crappy bill

Thanks Fanatical Meat...it's refreshing to have a little help in staving off the wolves. That said, I also appreciate the fact that, while we disagree on many issues, we can keep our discussions relatively civil, respectful and constructive. I wish there were more liberals like you on this board.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Thanks Fanatical Meat...it's refreshing to have a little help in staving off the wolves. That said, I also appreciate the fact that, while we disagree on many issues, we can keep our discussions relatively civil, respectful and constructive. I wish there were more liberals like you on this board.

In my completely casual observations I'd say we agree or mostly agree 20% of the time its nice to be on the same team.
Apologies' again for assuming you were on team "I want to book a vacation in Hawaii while a poor kid dies".

 

[Sea Ray]

It broadens the risk pool. You help pay for stuff they might need & vice-versa.

What kind of premiums would you expect to pay for comprehensive coverage when you're older & need it if only people like you are part of the pool?

You'd best make a whole shitpile of money in the meanwhile because you'll need it if you have your way today.

When I'm "older" I'll be on Medicare. It broadens the risk pool and raises premiums. I'm interested in lowering premiums. I want choice in my health care. Republicans will restore that. We'll see how it works out

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Your comment is based on a myth. ACA did NOT lower ER visits as proponents promised. Alternate reality is alternate reality.

Contrary to goals, ER visits rise under Obamacare
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...sits-rise-under-affordable-care-act/26625571/

U.S. Emergency-Room Visits Keep Climbing
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-emergency-room-visits-keep-climbing-1430712061

Illinois emergency room visits increased after Obamacare, study says
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-emergency-visits-obamacare-0830-biz-20160829-story.html

More evidence expanding Medicaid increases emergency room visits
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...emergency-room-visits/?utm_term=.bcf69f4e1073

Emergency room costs are obscene, I get the idea that its better staffed and open 24/7 but come on the prices are insane.
I understand that if my furnace breaks at 9pm on a cold night my maintenance contract calls for a $100 or $200(I forgot the exact fee) emergency fee but the parts/labor are usually free its not like I pay a $100 emergency fee then pay 5x the hourly rate and 12x the price for parts.

 

[Sea Ray]

The problem with that is that's not what the GOP is selling to their followers. In fact, that's exactly what the GOP is attempting to hide from them.

A conundrum still exists for Trump and the GOP in that they're attempting to squeeze more tax cuts for the wealthy out of the shell game they're playing with this "cheaper more affordable" replacement plan of theirs when the only way they can do that is to fool their working class constituents into believing that this GOP version is going to be good for them while the GOP is actually attempting to take things away from them in order to give it to the very wealthy.

The tax cuts the GOP want to give to the wealthy have to come from somewhere, and true to form, the GOP will always rely on their working class loyalists (and force the rest of us) to make the necessary sacrifices so that the GOP's wealthy benefactors can get whatever they demand.

These were very recent tax increases for the wealthy. They can't very well repeal Obamacare and not repeal its taxes. Having said all that, my guess is the CBO will score this as not paying for itself and some of those tax increases for the wealthy will be reinstated. Politically they can say that they at least tried to cut the taxes initially but the legislative process demanded compromise.

 

[Jhhnn]

The best rallies. Thousands of people wearing the same outfit standing in panned formations to provide a unified look for the camera with great banners and lights aimed to the sky. They will be so bigly.

Followed by torch lit parades & martial music after the sun sets.