Google TOO WHITE?

[nehalem256]

Google has published its first report on the diversity of its workforce, and the web giant admits it has a lot of work to do.

The online ad-slinger revealed its findings on Wednesday, revealing how its employees break down along gender and ethnic lines for the first time. Predictably, perhaps, the report found that Google was in large part staffed by white males – which might explain why it has been hesitant to disclose this information in the past.

According to the report, 70 per cent of Google's employees are men and 61 per cent are white. An additional 30 per cent of Googlers are Asian, while just nine per cent of the firm identifies as Hispanic, black, or multiracial.

The discrepancies are even more pronounced when it comes to the much sought-after engineering and leadership roles at the company. In positions described as "tech" jobs, men held 83 per cent of all roles, with 60 per cent of those jobs held by whites and another 34 per cent by Asians.

Amongst Google leadership, 79 per cent of employees are men and 72 per cent are white.

"We’ve always been reluctant to publish numbers about the diversity of our workforce at Google. We now realize we were wrong, and that it’s time to be candid about the issues," wrote Laszlo Bock, senior vice president of people operations at Google.

"Put simply, Google is not where we want to be when it comes to diversity, and it’s hard to address these kinds of challenges if you’re not prepared to discuss them openly, and with the facts."

Bock detailed a number of measures the company is taking in hopes of boosting diversity in its ranks (or at least the perception thereof), including donations made to computer science education for women and funding for computer science programs at historically black universities.

In Google's defense, the firm's makeup is hardly an outlier in the largely male, mostly white world of Silicon Valley and STEM in general, where issues such as pay gaps and educational divides continue to limit diversity.

The National Science Board estimated in 2010 that overall, women held 28 per cent of science and engineering jobs, while Hispanic, black, and native people made up just 10 per cent of such roles.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/29/google_comes_clean_on_workforce_diversity_or_lack_thereof/

White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 63.0%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

So white people are actually underrepresented at Google, but that is still "TOO WHITE"

Can there be any question that diversity is code for discriminate against whites?

 

[FaaR]

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You seem to have zeroed in on one specific statistic in order to make a faulty, hyperbolic point, which is that apparantly, white people are being discriminated against? Fucking LOL.

 

[MrPickins]

According to the report, 70 per cent of Google's employees are men and 61 per cent are white. An additional 30 per cent of Googlers are Asian, while just nine per cent of the firm identifies as Hispanic, black, or multiracial.

You missed the relevant text as usual...

 

[halik]

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You seem to have zeroed in on one specific statistic in order to make a faulty, hyperbolic point, which is that apparantly, white people are being discriminated against? Fucking LOL.

Huh? I think his point is that 63% white isn't lack of diversity, it's a proper sample of the CS population for the most part. My undergrad CS program was mostly white and asian.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

For those numbers to mean much of anything, they'd need to be compared to graduation rates in programs applicable to positions within Google. Then those numbers would have to be weighted against actual academic achievement of said graduates. But why do all that when you can just scream from the rooftops RACISM!!!!!!!!!

 

[smackababy]

I don't understand the point of a "diversity report". If you hire the most qualified candidate, who gives a shit 61% of them happen to be white?

 

[Genx87]

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You seem to have zeroed in on one specific statistic in order to make a faulty, hyperbolic point, which is that apparantly, white people are being discriminated against? Fucking LOL.

I think his point is this article claims Google is "Too White". But 61% being white makes is very close to our demography as a nation. Might even be a little under represented.

What I think this article really wants to say is Google doesn't employ enough black and hispanics and women.

 

[nehalem256]

You missed the relevant text as usual...

How is it white people's fault that Asians are kicking Hispanic and black dudes collective asses?

 

[Genx87]

I don't understand the point of a "diversity report". If you hire the most qualified candidate, who gives a shit 61% of them happen to be white?

I never understood the fascination with forcing diversity for the sake of diversity. Hire who is the best fit for your company.

 

[FaaR]

How is it white people's fault that Asians are kicking Hispanic and black dudes collective asses?

Why don't you write the publication and ask them that instead of making a hysterical and ludicrous post on this board?

 

[MrPickins]

How is it white people's fault that Asians are kicking Hispanic and black dudes collective asses?

Who said it was white people's fault?

Google noticed a lack of women and minorities (aside from Asian), and are striving to correct it (as is their prerogative).

 

[nehalem256]

For those numbers to mean much of anything, they'd need to be compared to graduation rates in programs applicable to positions within Google. Then those numbers would have to be weighted against actual academic achievement of said graduates. But why do all that when you can just scream from the rooftops RACISM!!!!!!!!!

That would seem to be the logical comparison to make.

But my point is that even using the retarded comparison that lefties want to make for diversity their isn't TOO MANY white people. There is actually basically the "proper" amount.

And yet they are still screaming that there are too many.

If the correct proportional amount of white people is still too many it seems like a pretty clear admission that diversity is a dog whistle for anti-white racism.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I don't understand the point of a "diversity report". If you hire the most qualified candidate, who gives a shit 61% of them happen to be white?

I don't understand either. If I'm a business owner, I hire the most qualified candidate for the position and I don't care if it is a man, woman or if he/she is white, black, purple, yellow, etc.

 

[nehalem256]

Who said it was white people's fault?

Google noticed a lack of women and minorities (aside from Asian), and are striving to correct it (as is their prerogative).

They didn't notice a lack and strive to correct it.

They made the numbers public to make a social commententary. And a rather stupid one at that given the actual facts.

 

[smackababy]

Who said it was white people's fault?

Google noticed a lack of women and minorities (aside from Asian), and are striving to correct it (as is their prerogative).

Striving to correct it means what exactly? They are going to pass up on qualified white and Asian male candidates so they can claim to be diverse? Yeah... discriminate (illegally, btw) against some so you can show just how diverse you are. Good job Google!

Maybe, rather than make strives in their company, they should fund programs to get more women and minorities into STEM fields.

 

[nehalem256]

Maybe, rather than make strives in their company, they should fund programs to get more women and minorities into STEM fields.

Or we could just fund programs to encourage qualified interested people of all races and genders to go into STEM fields.

 

[MrPickins]

They didn't notice a lack and strive to correct it.

They made the numbers public to make a social commententary. And a rather stupid one at that given the actual facts.

http://www.google.com/diversity/at-google.html

We’re not where we want to be when it comes to diversity. And it is hard to address these kinds of challenges if you’re not prepared to discuss them openly, and with the facts.

All of our efforts, including going public with these numbers, are designed to help us recruit and develop the world’s most talented and diverse people

Striving to correct it means what exactly? They are going to pass up on qualified white and Asian male candidates so they can claim to be diverse? Yeah... discriminate (illegally, btw) against some so you can show just how diverse you are. Good job Google!

Maybe, rather than make strives in their company, they should fund programs to get more women and minorities into STEM fields.

I don't work for Google. Why don't you go ask them about their plans?

Edit:Sounds like funding programs is exactly what they're doing: http://www.google.com/diversity/for-the-future.html

I just think the cries of "racism" are a bit much...

 

[fskimospy]

Striving to correct it means what exactly? They are going to pass up on qualified white and Asian male candidates so they can claim to be diverse? Yeah... discriminate (illegally, btw) against some so you can show just how diverse you are. Good job Google!

Maybe, rather than make strives in their company, they should fund programs to get more women and minorities into STEM fields.

You realize that for most positions there are many highly qualified candidates and that selection often comes down to subjective measures, how a candidate 'feels', etc, that have no basis in predictive power for performance and can often simply come down to interviewers' own selections, right?

It's not like you can quantify hired to such an extent that choosing the most qualified person is so black and white. Har.

 

[rudder]

So google will hire more women... only about ~12% of computer science degrees are awarded to women. Google will have to drop standards while they work to attract more female CS majors.

 

[smackababy]

You realize that for most positions there are many highly qualified candidates and that selection often comes down to subjective measures, how a candidate 'feels', etc, that have no basis in predictive power for performance and can often simply come down to interviewers' own selections, right?

It's not like you can quantify hired to such an extent that choosing the most qualified person is so black and white. Har.

That is the point though isn't it? You look at the resumes and, the top few get calls for interviews. Of those, the one the interviewers feel performed the best gets the job. The only thing google can realistically do is review their hiring process to ensure there is no bias. The fact that more white males had better resumes and interviewed better than minorities 61% of the time is irrelevant.

 

[dank69]

"Google is not where we want to be when it comes to diversity" is not the same as "too white."

 

[nehalem256]

You realize that for most positions there are many highly qualified candidates and that selection often comes down to subjective measures, how a candidate 'feels', etc, that have no basis in predictive power for performance and can often simply come down to interviewers' own selections, right?

It's not like you can quantify hired to such an extent that choosing the most qualified person is so black and white. Har.

You can only hire people that apply:

The National Science Board estimated in 2010 that overall, women held 28 per cent of science and engineering jobs, while Hispanic, black, and native people made up just 10 per cent of such roles.

So 70% male and 90% white+asian would be basically right at industry average. Doesn't seem like Google is discriminating to me.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You realize that for most positions there are many highly qualified candidates and that selection often comes down to subjective measures, how a candidate 'feels', etc, that have no basis in predictive power for performance and can often simply come down to interviewers' own selections, right?

Have you ever hired someone for a professional position?

 

[nehalem256]

"Google is not where we want to be when it comes to diversity" is not the same as "too white."

Linked article title:

Google TOO WHITE and MALE, says HR boss, looking in mirror

And unless they are planning to fire a bunch of Asian people. Seems pretty clear they will have to reduce the balance of white people in order to increase the number of blacks and hispanics. In other words, they think they have to many white people.

 

[fskimospy]

Have you ever hired someone for a professional position?

Yes. In fact I just hired one about a month ago. Why do you ask?