Google/Motorola Mobility’s Moto X Outpaces Competition with New Innovations

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thedosbox

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Again, I think you're missing something. His argument was "X is not Y" but you seem to think he's saying something else entirely: "Not X". Nowhere did he say that implementation details were not important, so why you would ask him why he thinks they're not makes no sense to me.

I think you've inferred something that was not meant to be implied, or perhaps what you've written doesn't say what you meant.

Nope, saying that "you can get active notifications on other phones" is analogous to saying that all hamburgers are the same. It's true at a superficial level (beef between two buns), but the details matter (quality of ingredients).

Implementation details matter but they don't have to be identical. Theres a bunch of apps doing the active notifications thing, all using slightly different implementations. The nice thing about having them on the Play store is you can pick the one that suits you.

Fair enough. I think the Moto X's implementation is very good, and don't feel the need to try out the copies that have sprung up.
 

WelshBloke

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...Fair enough. I think the Moto X's implementation is very good, and don't feel the need to try out the copies that have sprung up.

I'm sure the Moto version is fine but choice is nice.

Also those other versions have been around for ages, they are hardly copies. ;)
 

WelshBloke

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OK, got an example? Because something that simply displays notifications (ala iOS) on the lock screen is not an "active notification".

Why don't you define what you mean by "active notification" before you get me to run about for you and you randomly reject any suggestions I make?
 

thedosbox

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WelshBloke

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Um, it's on page 1 of the thread - you even responded to the post. Why would you need to run about when you've already said it's existed "for ages"?

But just for you: http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-moto-x-active-display

Sigh...

OK what about noled? It's been around for awhile, it was developed for the Galaxy S. It puts an icon of your choosing on the screen for any app that throws out a notification and you can press the icon to take you to the app.
 

thedosbox

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Sigh...

OK what about noled? It's been around for awhile, it was developed for the Galaxy S. It puts an icon of your choosing on the screen for any app that throws out a notification and you can press the icon to take you to the app.

Go read the supplied link and try again.
 

WelshBloke

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Go read the supplied link and try again.

Lol. I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue about now.

You've been shown that other applications exist that have very similar functionality to Motos active notifications.
You've been shown that they existed before Motos version.

Unless you're argument is that they look different or are slightly different in implementation (which no one has disagreed with) I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.
 

thedosbox

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Lol. I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue about now.

You've been shown that other applications exist that have very similar functionality to Motos active notifications.
You've been shown that they existed before Motos version.

Unless you're argument is that they look different or are slightly different in implementation (which no one has disagreed with) I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

You've shown nothing, and seem to think that displaying an icon on a screen makes for an active notification. Then when called on it, you claim that "slight differences" don't matter because it's still an "active notification".
 

WelshBloke

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You've shown nothing, and seem to think that displaying an icon on a screen makes for an active notification. Then when called on it, you claim that "slight differences" don't matter because it's still an "active notification".


And your been overly vague with your criticisms in a desperate attempt to prove... well I have no idea what your trying to prove really, and I'm not sure that you do.

So again.

Why don't you post what you think an active notification app does in your own words. Don't go all coy.
 

thedosbox

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And your been overly vague with your criticisms in a desperate attempt to prove... well I have no idea what your trying to prove really, and I'm not sure that you do.

So again.

Why don't you post what you think an active notification app does in your own words. Don't go all coy.

Sigh. I had assumed you were familiar with Moto's implementation given your earlier assertions. I guess that's not the case. Instead, you're making unsupported assertions. Why? I've no idea.

Androidcentral does a good job illustrating what an active notification does. I suggest you read their article as I'm not about to copy and paste their content.
 

WelshBloke

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Sigh. I had assumed you were familiar with Moto's implementation given your earlier assertions. I guess that's not the case. Instead, you're making unsupported assertions. Why? I've no idea.

Androidcentral does a good job illustrating what an active notification does. I suggest you read their article as I'm not about to copy and paste their content.

Lol.

Obvioustrollisobvious
 

openwheel

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There is no substitution to Motorolas implientation. No third party add does it nearly as well.
 

shady28

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And your been overly vague with your criticisms in a desperate attempt to prove... well I have no idea what your trying to prove really, and I'm not sure that you do.

So again.

Why don't you post what you think an active notification app does in your own words. Don't go all coy.

You're missing it completely. Active notifications and active display are entirely new and you do only get them on Motorola's phones.

It is essentially a 'smart' notification system. It knows when the phone is in your pocket, knows when its sitting on your desk, and knows when you're driving. Depending on what you are doing, the phone behaves differently.


"And Moto X is pretty smart about it, showing the clock when you take the phone out of your pocket, or by picking it up if it's left face-down. Need to see what time it is, or if you have a notification waiting? Just look at the phone. Don't press the power button.

It's handy as hell. And it's good on battery life. (That's something to remember before you start yelling for a certain editor to show his screen-on time. Less is better, by design.)"

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http://www.androidcafe.net/inside-the-moto-x-active-display-androidcafe-72040.html

"Active Display is a great addition to the Moto X. It's easy to overthink Active Display on the Moto X. It's also easy to underestimate its impact. What we've got here is a quick and easy way to get information onto your display without having to hit the power button and firing up the whole screen. From there you can decide whether the notification is important enough to act on — Oh, no! Timmy's stuck in a well! — or or whether it can wait till later — Yes, I'll take out the trash. Later.
Think about that for a minute. How many times a day do you pull your phone out of your pocket to check the time? Or to check for a notification? Each time you're hitting the power button. On LCD displays, that's what you're stuck with. AMOLED displays let you fire up individual pixels, and that's what Motorola's doing here. And it's done it pretty well."


The active voice is also incredibly useful. Phones have had voice recognition for a long time, but i like most have never found much use for it.

An example, if you are driving and need directions, you can say 'Ok Google' at any time, the phone beeps, and you can then say 'Navigate to ...' and it will navigate to your requested destination.

Other android phones cannot do this without physical interaction. They do not listen all the time. That's a unique feature enabled by Motorola's new X8 computing platform.

There is more, but the point is this is not like any other android phone I have seen (I've got a Droid Maxx, but the software / functionality is the same as the Moto X).

Worth noting, it does all of this and yet under use the android experience is very near 'stock'.

So what we have is some close integration with Google Now, a sophisticated active notification system that no other device has, and yet a very pure Android experience. You can really see Google's philosophy and direction in the Motorola phones.
 

Zivic

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I've had my moto X a few days now and it is the best phone I have personally used or had experience with.

the battery life is at least double what I was getting on my n4 or galaxy nexus. I made it from 6:30 till 5 and didn't go below 75% yesterday. My GN would die by noon.

The screen is great. very bright

small form factor is awesome. love the feel of the phone. screen size is big enough, but not a standout feature unless you consider the overall footprint of the phone

love the notifications. pick up the phone and it gives you a quick overview.... though I still find myself instinctively unlocking the phone just to see the time.

The camera is decent. Love the little hand twist to go directly to it. I think the picture quality is good. though I have been coming from nexus line phones which kind of suck in the camera department.

overall I like the phone at least as much as I expected I would, maybe more. IMHO it is the overall best android device currently available.
 

thedosbox

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You're missing it completely. Active notifications and active display are entirely new and you do only get them on Motorola's phones.

It is essentially a 'smart' notification system. It knows when the phone is in your pocket, knows when its sitting on your desk, and knows when you're driving. Depending on what you are doing, the phone behaves differently.


"And Moto X is pretty smart about it, showing the clock when you take the phone out of your pocket, or by picking it up if it's left face-down. Need to see what time it is, or if you have a notification waiting? Just look at the phone. Don't press the power button.

It's handy as hell. And it's good on battery life.

Indeed. That people are attempting to copy the idea indicates how useful it is. Samsung have tried with their "roll effect", but it's unclear if their implementation is as well thought out (i.e. theirs lights up the whole screen) or as context aware.
 

Crono

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This thread isn't that productive. You either like the notifications, body, and increased battery life enough that you find the $600 price to be just fine, or you don't.

Almost everyone agrees the Moto X is a good phone, it's just a matter of whether you like the features that Googorola chose to focus on.

I always feel like my phone is watching me, and I have no privacy. Oh oh oh.