Goodbye SlySoft and AnyDVD

[JSt0rm]

you can say whatever you want but Ive already figured your dumb shit out.

 

[CZroe]

you can say whatever you want but Ive already figured your dumb shit out.

LOL!

 

[JSt0rm]

this is why I was going to ignore you. Region free or not region free has nothing to do with pal or ntsc. Im not going to continue this basic shit with you. You are a box of rocks.

 

[CZroe]

this is why I was going to ignore you. Region free or not region free has nothing to do with pal or ntsc. Im not going to continue this basic shit with you. You are a box of rocks.

...and I 100% proved that this was not the issue. Do go on.

 

[Red Squirrel]

This thread continues to deliver.

 

[JSt0rm]

...and I 100% proved that this was not the issue. Do go on.

you making a claim isnt proof of anything. Dumbfuck.

 

[JSt0rm]

you are going on ignore you hillbilly idiot.

 

[Ichinisan]

you bought a gray (or grey heh) market item and brag about it. You dont even know what pal is. u dum.

Another ridiculous assumption by you!

CZroe and I were aware of the differences between PAL/NTSC since we were 15/16 years old in 1995/1996. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Based on your response here, I think we understand it a little bit better than you do.

It's safe to assume anyone using AnyDVD HD knows a bit more about the technical aspects than your average dum dum.

 

[JSt0rm]

he has no idea. He said so much basic wrong shit hes like every other numnut who thinks they are the av specialist. I dont even give a fuck about all that shit. I learned it all because I had to when I was working as a tech at a post production studio.

 

[Ichinisan]

jesus christ. It can be 1080i and pal.

1080i is lines of resolution and pal is a format that includes a frame rate of 25fps.

You can't get PAL-encoded video signal off a BD. It doesn't work that way. The player can convert it to PAL-encoded SD output.

Apparently, we really do know more about this sort of thing than you do. We also recognize when "PAL" is incorrectly used to mean "not USA/Japan."

 

[Ichinisan]

ntsc is 29.97 frames per second. Do you know why?

Black and white ran at 30fps and the clock was your wall electrical outlets 60hz/2. When they made a color signal they did a .01% pull down to 29.97 frames per second.

Pal is the same idea but they have 50hz electricity.

Knew this 20 years ago when I was 16! Keep going with the assumptions!

 

[JSt0rm]

You can't get PAL-encoded video signal off a BD. It doesn't work that way. The player can convert it to PAL-encoded SD output.

I dont even know what you are trying to say here.

Apparently, we really do know more about this sort of thing than you do. We also recognize when "PAL" is incorrectly used to mean "not USA/Japan."

If its not ntsc (usa/japan) then what is it?

 

[JSt0rm]

Knew this 20 years ago when I was 16! Keep going with the assumptions!

Was I addressing you in that post?

 

[ControlD]

You can't get PAL-encoded video signal off a BD. It doesn't work that way. The player can convert it to PAL-encoded SD output.

I hate to butt in here but I find this interesting and I'm not sure I am understanding correctly.

I think what you are saying is this: The source material on a BD is the same no matter what region the disk is coded for. The resulting output of NTSC or PAL is created by the device reading the disk. Is this correct? The only difference between a disk sold in region 1 and region 2 for example would be some digital tag buried on the disk for DRM purposes?

 

[Ichinisan]

cool. Im glad your spending time googling this shit. I havent thought about it in 7 years.

And yes modern tvs are playing different frame rates but clearly his tv did not. Also I do not believe any consumer level tv is playing ntsc and pal. I could be wrong on that but I guarantee this shleb doesnt have that tv.

So wrong! Keep digging! He didn't have to Google a damn thing and I can vouch for our prior knowledge.

The TV probably would not accept a PAL source from something that actually outputs a PAL SIGNAL.

Anyway, taking the raw video off the disc, the PS3 plays it PERFECTLY. Did you miss that?

Playing the same BD on a software BD player without having AnyDVD HD running, the region encoding kicks in and it has the same black screen. Enable AnyDVD HD and it's any-region feature...BAM! Plays perfectly.

Drop the PAL/NTSC thing. You have barked up the wrong tree.

Heading back to work since my lunch break is over...

 

[JSt0rm]

I hate to butt in here but I find this interesting and I'm not sure I am understanding correctly.

I think what you are saying is this: The source material on a BD is the same no matter what region the disk is coded for. The resulting output of NTSC or PAL is created by the device reading the disk. Is this correct? The only difference between a disk sold in region 1 and region 2 for example would be some digital tag buried on the disk for DRM purposes?

The more you discuss with these people the more confused you will get. This is because they use words that mean different things then what they are saying. They also lack fundamental knowledge and have put assumptions in its place. Also this stuff is virtually meaningless to know about unless you fucking need to know it. So all of these people who read a crutchfield magazine and think they have some greater knowledge is fucking lol.

 

[Ns1]

hi I'm here for the gangbang?

 

[JSt0rm]

This is why you wont find me over on avsforums. I go there sometimes to review new stuff but I end up explaining things to people and it ends up being a college course in audio fold downs or something. Aint nobody got time for that.

 

[ControlD]

The more you discuss with these people the more confused you will get. This is because they use words that mean different things then what they are saying. They also lack fundamental knowledge and have put assumptions in its place. Also this stuff is virtually meaningless to know about unless you fucking need to know it. So all of these people who read a crutchfield magazine and think they have some greater knowledge is fucking lol.

I know I don't need to know how it works, but I was just interested. I always assumed the material on the disk itself was different when it comes to PAL or NTSC. Is it?

edit

nvm, Google told me the answer.

 

[JSt0rm]

and? whats the answer? Please add to the conversation.

 

[sdifox]

I know I don't need to know how it works, but I was just interested. I always assumed the material on the disk itself was different when it comes to PAL or NTSC. Is it?

Bd can be authored in a variety of resolution and frame rate. There are players that can output to 60Hz displays regardless of source framerate. Thus problem is mostly moot.

Region lock is a different matter entirely.

 

[ControlD]

A Blu-Ray disk uses a digital format. The source is the same for any region, at least for the main feature. The player itself is what creates a NTSC or PAL output signal.

You learn something every day!

 

[CZroe]

you making a claim isnt proof of anything. Dumbfuck.

I didn't just make a claim. I TESTED the claim. Are you calling me a liar now?

you are going on ignore you hillbilly idiot.

Oh! So you don't have to see your own shame when I dig up the disc on my next day off! Good for you.

I dont even know what you are trying to say here.




If its not ntsc (usa/japan) then what is it?

It's a region being incorrectly represented as a signal standard. Durr.

The PS3 does not just output a different video signal when it encounters a different resolution or frame rate on the disc. Everyone knows that when BD came around you had to set your player's output to match your TV's natively supported resolutions and the player scales BDs/DVDs to match. It's idiotic to think that there is a particular video signal on the disc that the PS3 just amplifies and outputs as the native signal that your TV must support. Serious: Buzz off with that dumb sh-t.

I hate to butt in here but I find this interesting and I'm not sure I am understanding correctly.

I think what you are saying is this: The source material on a BD is the same no matter what region the disk is coded for. The resulting output of NTSC or PAL is created by the device reading the disk. Is this correct? The only difference between a disk sold in region 1 and region 2 for example would be some digital tag buried on the disk for DRM purposes?

Most theatrical UK BD releases have the same 1080p source material. Many are even region-free, but some are but encrypted with a different region code. This particular one may be 25/50hz but it doesn't make a difference in a player that converts it, which is ANY BD player. Remember: HDTVs often only supported ONE HD resolution when BD launched and BD players had to be able to output all resolutions and framerates as 720p or 1080i regardless of what was on the disc for compatibility with the HDTVs people actually owned. That means being able to convert 25/50hz to 30/60hz too.

Jst0rm doesn't seem to realize that calling the contents of the disc "PAL" is like calling the contents of an SNES game "PAL." Sure, it runs at a different frequency but the console still has to create a PAL signal out of the same resource data used in the NTSC version of the game.

 

[JSt0rm]

A Blu-Ray disk uses a digital format. The source is the same for any region, at least for the main feature. The player itself is what creates a NTSC or PAL output signal.

You learn something every day!

So if czroe sat down with a pal flagged bluray disk and tried to play it on a ntsc tv what happens?

 

[ControlD]

So if czroe sat down with a pal flagged bluray disk and tried to play it on a ntsc tv what happens?

I guess on a normal playback device, the region coding would prevent the disk from playing. It isn't because the material on the BD is "PAL", it is because the disk is flagged for a different region code than what the player is authorized to play. I don't think the NTSC TV cares one way or the other. It is the player that cares.