Good Twitter thread on the horror of "concentration camps" and the applicability of that term to migrants being detained at the Southern border

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fskimospy

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They were called concentration camps during the Boer war. The term certainly predates WWII.

The current Chief Justice of the Supreme Court referred to Japanese internment camps as concentration camps. Oddly enough, conservatives were not outraged then.

This is all performative outrage by dishonest morons who think they can claim to be wounded for political advantage. AOC is right to ignore them. She should double down and keep doing it.
 

glenn1

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The current Chief Justice of the Supreme Court referred to Japanese internment camps as concentration camps. Oddly enough, conservatives were not outraged then.

This is all performative outrage by dishonest morons who think they can claim to be wounded for political advantage. AOC is right to ignore them. She should double down and keep doing it.

Call them whatever term you want. The guests of the facilities aren't coming out anytime soon and the conditions aren't going to be improved so if using an loaded term for them helps you deal with that, well OK.
 

fskimospy

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Call them whatever term you want. The guests of the facilities aren't coming out anytime soon and the conditions aren't going to be improved so if using an loaded term for them helps you deal with that, well OK.

Meh, describing them accurately helps force change. If they don’t change now then it’s just one more thing to drive more conservatives out of office so we can change it then. (And then enact lots more liberal stuff too. How fun!)

I do find it very funny that the anti political correctness people are falling all over their fainting couches because someone referred to them by an accurate term though.
 

glenn1

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Meh, describing them accurately helps force change. If they don’t change now then it’s just one more thing to drive more conservatives out of office so we can change it then. (And then enact lots more liberal stuff too. How fun!)

I do find it very funny that the anti political correctness people are falling all over their fainting couches because someone referred to them by an accurate term though.

Yeah, you run on that platform of "we need to make conditions better for detained illegal immigrants." I'm sure that will go over as well with voters as calls for making prisons more attractive for inmates with more amenities for their comfort.
 

fskimospy

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Yeah, you run on that platform of "we need to make conditions better for detained illegal immigrants." I'm sure that will go over as well with voters as calls for making prisons more attractive for inmates with more amenities for their comfort.

Yes, I imagine more humane conditions for children will go over extremely well!

Finally some common sense from you. Congrats for waking up, buddy!
 

glenn1

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Yes, I imagine more humane conditions for children will go over extremely well!

Finally some common sense from you. Congrats for waking up, buddy!

Trump’s election proves quite the opposite actually, that the electorate wants the government to be much tougher on illegals.
 

ImpulsE69

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How is that a solution? Most of them gladly pay taxes!!

??? What are you talking about? So you are saying all who cross the border illegally are asylum seekers? That's not how it works. MANY MANY do not pay taxes and that is why the whole 'omg illegals' is even an issue. (aside from blatant racism)
 

fskimospy

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Trump’s election proves quite the opposite actually, that the electorate wants the government to be much tougher on illegals.

Yes, clearly someone getting millions fewer votes than his opponent shows that the country supports his views.

Like I said, keep supporting abusing those kids. Every day it goes by you’re just making liberals stronger!
 

SMOGZINN

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Yeah, you run on that platform of "we need to make conditions better for detained illegal immigrants." I'm sure that will go over as well with voters as calls for making prisons more attractive for inmates with more amenities for their comfort.

The platform we run on is 'stop the human right violations by our government' We run it on top of some photos of children laying on concrete floors with Mylar blankets. It should tug on the heart strings of those same people that scream about abortion killing children. That is if they care about children at all and it is not just a lie to control women?
 

Greenman

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Yes, clearly someone getting millions fewer votes than his opponent shows that the country supports his views.

Like I said, keep supporting abusing those kids. Every day it goes by you’re just making liberals stronger!
Clearly the states support his views, because the states elected him.
As for liberals getting "stronger", that remains to be seen. It's pretty easy to be popular with promises of free stuff, but after the promise comes the ugly, meat hook reality of the real world where someone has to write the check.
 
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Clearly the states support his views, because the states elected him.
As for liberals getting "stronger", that remains to be seen. It's pretty easy to be popular with promises of free stuff, but after the promise comes the ugly, meat hook reality of the real world where someone has to write the check.

Right now we are writing the checks and not getting the goods. So, yea getting something for our tax money would be nice. I for one am tired of paying ever higher prices for Republican's aristocracy welfare.
 

fskimospy

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Clearly the states support his views, because the states elected him.
As for liberals getting "stronger", that remains to be seen.

Oh give me a break, the states are arbitrary lines drawn on a map. There is no collection of states supporting him as states ceased to operate in that way after the civil war. Trump has never in his entire candidacy or presidency had the support of a majority of Americans. More specifically, a majority of Americans also disapprove of his policies on immigration.

If conservatives don't wake up and realize their policies are unpopular they're going to get demolished again like they did in 2018.

It's pretty easy to be popular with promises of free stuff, but after the promise comes the ugly, meat hook reality of the real world where someone has to write the check.

Is it? Trump and Republicans have run on and governed on the 'free stuff' platform and aren't paying the bills yet they remain very unpopular.
 

Svnla

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Let see how Australia is handling the "undocumented" immigrants, shall we? No catch and release for sure. Funny how the number of "undocumented" immigrants dropped like a rock after those camps were up and running.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/...-island-asylum-refugees-children-suicide.html

Funny how none of you are screaming about let do it, just like them Australia as you did with 2A/anti-gun. Not a word. No fit in the agenda, no care, eh?
 
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Let see how Australia is handling the "undocumented" immigrants, shall we? No catch and release for sure. Funny how the number of "undocumented" immigrants dropped like a rock after those camps were up and running.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/...-island-asylum-refugees-children-suicide.html

Funny how none of you are screaming about let do it, just like them Australia as you did with 2A/anti-gun. Not a word. No fit in the agenda, no care, eh?

Wait, did you think that because we supported one policy that Australia has that we would support every policy that Australia has?

What on earth gave you such a silly idea?
 

Svnla

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Wait, did you think that because we supported one policy that Australia has that we would support every policy that Australia has?

What on earth gave you such a silly idea?

No whining and crying and bitching about how cruel and mean and all that. Not a single word. Again, no fit on the agenda. No care.

If the ILLEGALS don't want to get stuck in the camps? Do it the LEGAL way. But of course, LEGAL immigration is for suckers, eh?
 

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Wait, did you think that because we supported one policy that Australia has that we would support every policy that Australia has?

What on earth gave you such a silly idea?

"I hope that was a rhetorical question," I said to myself and then I remembered who you quoted.
 

glenn1

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No whining and crying and bitching about how cruel and mean and all that. Not a single word. Again, no fit on agenda. No care.

Immigrants to Australia aren’t prospective Dem voters once naturalized.
 

Svnla

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What about Canada? Let see...

Canada’s minister of immigration, Ahmed Hussen, himself a former refugee who moved to the country from Somalia when he was 16, said Canada was proud to be a welcoming country but could not welcome everyone. Only about 8 percent of Haitian migrants had received asylum here since the summer, he said, while there is a backlog of about 40,700 cases, according to Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board.

We don’t want people to illegally enter our border, and doing so is not a free ticket to Canada,” Mr. Hussen said in an interview. “We are saying, ‘You will be apprehended, screened, detained, fingerprinted, and if you can’t establish a genuine claim, you will be denied refugee protection and removed.’

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/world/canada/quebec-immigrants-haitians.html

OMG. Why them Canadians are so mean to the undocumented immigrants? Why not just catch and release? Right? <s> Guys?? Where is everyone? <cricket> Must.Stop.Laughing.So.Hard.
 

fskimospy

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No whining and crying and bitching about how cruel and mean and all that. Not a single word. Again, no fit on the agenda. No care.

I imagine it's because most people don't know about it because they don't keep up on immigration policies in countries thousands of miles away. I suspect you are only aware of it because conservative media told you about it but what do you know about immigration policy in Austria, or Eritrea? Probably nothing.

So again, why would you get such a deeply silly idea in your head?

If the ILLEGALS don't want to get stuck in the camps? Do it the LEGAL way. But of course, LEGAL immigration is for suckers, eh?

The people in these camps have not had their immigration status adjudicated so they are not illegal. If you care so much about immigration you should take the time to understand the law.

As for legal immigration being for suckers, of course not. America does have deeply stupid legal immigration laws in place though, primarily because of nativist conservatives who don't like brown people coming into America. If we massively liberalized our legal immigration laws I bet we would have a lot fewer illegal immigrants. Everyone wins, right?
 
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What about Canada? Let see...



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/world/canada/quebec-immigrants-haitians.html

OMG. Why them Canadians are so mean to the undocumented immigrants? Why not just catch and release? Right? <s> Guys?? Where is everyone? <cricket> Must.Stop.Laughing.So.Hard.

She entered the country last summer without immigration papers, yet received a work permit, a monthly stipend of 600 Canadian dollars, or $480, free health care and free French lessons. The weather has become bone-cold chilly but her Canadian neighbors are warm.

When people totally fail to read or comprehend the articles they post...
 

Svnla

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I imagine it's because most people don't know about it because they don't keep up on immigration policies in countries thousands of miles away. I suspect you are only aware of it because conservative media told you about it but what do you know about immigration policy in Austria, or Eritrea? Probably nothing.

So again, why would you get such a deeply silly idea in your head?



The people in these camps have not had their immigration status adjudicated so they are not illegal. If you care so much about immigration you should take the time to understand the law.

As for legal immigration being for suckers, of course not. America does have deeply stupid legal immigration laws in place though, primarily because of nativist conservatives who don't like brown people coming into America. If we massively liberalized our legal immigration laws I bet we would have a lot fewer illegal immigrants. Everyone wins, right?

So far, I provided two valid links from well know news sources about how sovereign countries with a similar history as the US would handle ILLEGALS. And you guys have??????

How about you guys do the same? Let see an example or two about any country on Earth would do "catch and release" with ILLEGALS? Deal?
 

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Lol at glenn1 and the angry penguin we should adopt the same policies as other countries on immigration but America is too exceptional to do the same in other areas like healthcare.

When other countries do shitty things we should do the same but things that are positive couldn’t possibly work here. Basically how shitty can we be.

Yawn
 
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K1052

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As for legal immigration being for suckers, of course not. America does have deeply stupid legal immigration laws in place though, primarily because of nativist conservatives who don't like brown people coming into America. If we massively liberalized our legal immigration laws I bet we would have a lot fewer illegal immigrants. Everyone wins, right?

The conservative position on immigration is now that until we get all 5 independently wealthy Norwegian geniuses we should not welcome anybody else into America who might actually want to come here.
 
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