Good Twitter thread on the horror of "concentration camps" and the applicability of that term to migrants being detained at the Southern border

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fskimospy

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"All laws are selectively enforced," (@fskimospy )

The organ harvesting and medical experiments begin in the southern border "concentration camps" begin in 5 minutes. Selective law enforcement you know.

Again, if you want to argue that no laws matter that's fine but I'm confused as to why you keep bringing up the fact that all laws are selectively enforced as I mean... duh... of course they are.

Anyone who takes even a cursory look at laws for the entirety of human history would know that every single law ever enacted across the entire planet for all time has been selectively enforced. It's a simple fact of life. If you don't like that I'm sorry. If you think that justifies harvesting the organs of refugees then by all means try that and see what happens! You may be very sad at the results, haha.
 
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Blackjack200

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Nice catch by Matt Pearce:
I remember we had a thread about BLM and political violence a little while back, and a historian that I follow on Twitter suggested that if you don't support BLM now, you probably would not have supported the Civil Rights Movement, since a lot of the same objections used against BLM were used against civil rights leaders and organizations.

I've always thought it would be fun to comb through old newspapers and find analogues to the political arguments we have today.
 

Starbuck1975

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The term “concentration camp” evokes a very specific historical frame of reference. Internment camp is a more accurate term.
 
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The term “concentration camp” evokes a very specific historical frame of reference. Internment camp is a more accurate term.

Aside from such “insignificant” factors as the residents of the camps are there on their own accord because they are seeking something from the government. And are staying there of their own accord as they are free to leave the camp anytime they wish.

Actually they are nothing like concentration camps at all. They are much more like the Occupy Wall Street ”camps” of a few years ago. Just like now, most people would’ve preferred they left and went away; no one gave a shit where as long as it was not where they were occupying.
 
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IronWing

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Aside from such “insignificant” factors as the residents of the camps are there on their own accord because they are seeking something from the government. And are staying there of their own accord as they are free to leave the camp anytime they wish.

Actually they are nothing like concentration camps at all. They are much more like the Occupy Wall Street ”camps” of a few years ago. Just like now, most people would’ve preferred they left and went away; no one gave a shit where as long as it was not where they were occupying.
^ This is why we should never elect Randian fascists.
 
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Blackjack200

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They're free to not come to this country to be placed into concentration camps. And they're also free to leave them and return to their country of origin at any time.

This is why would should endeavor to ship all the refugees out to somewhere like the Aleutian Islands to wait their due process. They can be released on the old military bases there on their own recognizance and if they're really that persecuted in their home countries then certainly a few weeks/months/years of cold weather won't deter them. Adak Army base would be perfect.

Actually they are nothing like concentration camps at all. They are much more like the Occupy Wall Street ”camps” of a few years ago. Just like now, most people would’ve preferred they left and went away; no one gave a shit where as long as it was not where they were occupying.

Maybe, just maybe, someone making comments like this will not be receptive to your legal, normative, historical, or humanitarian arguments. Maybe someone making comments like this is either trolling or so vile and cruel that they're not the type of people that anyone who cares about this issue should engage for even a second. Buy hey, I'm not here to tell people how to post...
 
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UglyCasanova

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I’ve not read the thread so no doubt this has been covered but the term concentration camp has the historical baggage of being associated with forced labor, starvation, gas chambers, and genocide. In people’s minds that is and always will be what it’s associated with.

So to call what’s going on at with detainees at the border concentration camps is being dishonest and I know you guys know this. You can post definitions you google and say look it fits all you want, but the context of what that term means and represents doesn’t fit and honestly is pretty offensive to Jews I would imagine.
 
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Jhhnn

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I’ve not read the thread so no doubt this has been covered but the term concentration camp has the historical baggage of being associated with forced labor, starvation, gas chambers, and genocide. In people’s minds that is and always will be what it’s associated with.

So to call what’s going on at with detainees at the border concentration camps is being dishonest and I know you guys know this. You can post definitions you google and say look it fits all you want, but the context of what that term means and represents doesn’t fit and honestly is pretty offensive to Jews I would imagine.

And now the anti-semite card. How quaint.
 

DarthKyrie

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The really sick thing about this is that some of these “concentration camps” are operated by for-profit corporations. They are incentivized to spend as little as possible for the welfare of their detainees while living high off the government hog trough.

Oh, and they get to use the detainees as dirt cheap indentured labor, too.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dolla...ivate-prisons-where-migrants-work-for-pennies

Well, of course, someone is always supposed to be making money when there are people to put in concentration camps. They are free to use those in the camps to make even more money because the millions being paid to them by Uncle Sam just isn't enough to pay for everything because the owner needs his millions before the people that they are tasked with caring for are cared for.

Why do you hate America so much?

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JEDIYoda

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Aside from such “insignificant” factors as the residents of the camps are there on their own accord because they are seeking something from the government. And are staying there of their own accord as they are free to leave the camp anytime they wish.

I do not believe they are free to leave of their own accord...
Any proof other than just your word??
 
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Jhhnn

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I do not believe they are free to leave of their own accord...
Any proof other than just your word??

They could volunteer for deportation, 'tis true. They took a chance on America & pray we give them one. They'll stick it out.
 
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And now the anti-semite card. How quaint.

As was referred to previously, it's the exact same argument (right down to the use of exact phrases and references i.e. the offence against the Jewish experience) that was used against calling the Japanese-American camps concentration camps.

This was only 7 years ago:

"But then the commentator referred to the Japanese internment camps as "concentration camps." I cannot imagine a more offensive way to portray the situation. To compare the Japanese internment camps to the Nazi or communist concentration camps is beyond offensive to the Jewish community and any reasonably intelligent American. While not Jewish myself, I found it to be terribly offensive. Words have meaning and to diminish the term "concentration camps" is reprehensible."

https://www.npr.org/sections/public...ncentration-camps-and-the-japanese-internment

This, btw, was the answer to that statement:

"Concentration camp" is a term that predates both Hitler and Communism. The Nazi concentration camps are more usually, and more accurately described as Death Camps. Stalin's Gulags are slightly different, as they were prison camps, though the "crimes" and "trials" were often specious. But a concentration camp, such as those operated by the British during the Boer War, does not in and of itself suggest atrocity."
 

JEDIYoda

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I’ve not read the thread so no doubt this has been covered but the term concentration camp has the historical baggage of being associated with forced labor, starvation, gas chambers, and genocide. In people’s minds that is and always will be what it’s associated with.

So to call what’s going on at with detainees at the border concentration camps is being dishonest and I know you guys know this. You can post definitions you google and say look it fits all you want, but the context of what that term means and represents doesn’t fit and honestly is pretty offensive to Jews I would imagine.
I am a practicing Jew and a Jew by birth! I do not find that description to be far from the truth! The only exception being they are not rounding up migrants for forced labor or to kill them! I have relatives who died in concentration camps!!
With that said -- They don`t have all the creature comforts of home and a few are dying and there is not adquat medical care and our government is still separating children from their moms and dads...…….sound pretty close to a concentration camp to me!
 
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Jhhnn

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As was referred to previously, it's the exact same argument (right down to the use of exact phrases and references i.e. the offence against the Jewish experience) that was used against calling the Japanese-American camps concentration camps.

This was only 7 years ago:

"But then the commentator referred to the Japanese internment camps as "concentration camps." I cannot imagine a more offensive way to portray the situation. To compare the Japanese internment camps to the Nazi or communist concentration camps is beyond offensive to the Jewish community and any reasonably intelligent American. While not Jewish myself, I found it to be terribly offensive. Words have meaning and to diminish the term "concentration camps" is reprehensible."

https://www.npr.org/sections/public...ncentration-camps-and-the-japanese-internment

This, btw, was the answer to that statement:

"Concentration camp" is a term that predates both Hitler and Communism. The Nazi concentration camps are more usually, and more accurately described as Death Camps. Stalin's Gulags are slightly different, as they were prison camps, though the "crimes" and "trials" were often specious. But a concentration camp, such as those operated by the British during the Boer War, does not in and of itself suggest atrocity."

So, you played the anti-semite card against people using the concentration camp term, then linked us to an article about how some guy from 7 years ago who made the same argument was actually wrong in doing so...

Not to mention it's just duh-versionary quibbling about terminology.
 

glenn1

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So, you played the anti-semite card against people using the concentration camp term, then linked us to an article about how some guy from 7 years ago who made the same argument was actually wrong in doing so...

Not to mention it's just duh-versionary quibbling about terminology.

You can call it a death camp for all I care. Fact remains the residents of said camp should remain there until they’re deported or ruled eligible to stay.
 
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So, you played the anti-semite card against people using the concentration camp term, then linked us to an article about how some guy from 7 years ago who made the same argument was actually wrong in doing so...

Not to mention it's just duh-versionary quibbling about terminology.

What the fuck are you talking about? Has English suddenly become a second language to you?
 

ImpulsE69

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Solution: Meet them at the wall and hand them their tax ID. Later, if they decide they don't want to pay taxes, throw them in concentration camps- I mean jail.
 

Pipeline 1010

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I think the discussion needs to be about how to solve the problems in the home countries of the refugees. We have the power to help solve the problem, especially since our war on drugs is such a huge part of funneling money to the corrupt governments and cartels, allowing those places to be so shitty that people have to flee. It doesn't matter how many people we take in...if that's all we're going to do then we're just reduced to slinging insults over whether we should use a bandaid on the broken rib and how big should the bandaid be.
 

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I think the discussion needs to be about how to solve the problems in the home countries of the refugees. We have the power to help solve the problem, especially since our war on drugs is such a huge part of funneling money to the corrupt governments and cartels, allowing those places to be so shitty that people have to flee. It doesn't matter how many people we take in...if that's all we're going to do then we're just reduced to slinging insults over whether we should use a bandaid on the broken rib and how big should the bandaid be.

You're right but that might require us to acknowledge that we have been a big part of the problem with instability in South America and that makes certain conservatives and big business types rather uncomfortable. Speaking of uncomfortable:

Feds Tell 9th Circuit: Detained Kids ‘Safe and Sanitary’ Without Soap

The Trump administration argued in front of a Ninth Circuit panel Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, despite a settlement agreement that requires detainees be kept in “safe and sanitary” facilities. All three judges appeared incredulous during the hearing in San Francisco, in which the Trump administration challenged previous legal findings that it is violating a landmark class action settlement by mistreating undocumented immigrant children at U.S. detention facilities. “You’re really going to stand up and tell us that being able to sleep isn’t a question of safe and sanitary conditions?'” U.S. Circuit Judge Marsha Berzon asked the Justice Department’s Sarah Fabian Tuesday.

Yes, because they're absolutely shameless, Justice Berzon. Lights on all night, no soap, no toothbrush/toothpaste, a foil blanket and a cold, hard concrete floor to sleep on, all are now considered humane conditions in our concentration camps.

The Republican party is nothing more than a bunch of sick racist fucks that are led by a bunch of criminals. They approve of this, they are fighting to make this the new normal in America.
 
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fskimospy

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I’ve not read the thread so no doubt this has been covered but the term concentration camp has the historical baggage of being associated with forced labor, starvation, gas chambers, and genocide. In people’s minds that is and always will be what it’s associated with.

So to call what’s going on at with detainees at the border concentration camps is being dishonest and I know you guys know this. You can post definitions you google and say look it fits all you want, but the context of what that term means and represents doesn’t fit and honestly is pretty offensive to Jews I would imagine.

Interesting how you simultaneously admit that the term is accurate and yet still insist using it is dishonest. It is an accurate term and if you guys don’t like it being used the best answer is to dismantle the concentration camps, not to whine about them being talked about.

I suspect you got the idea it is offensive to Jews from conservative media. Remember, they lie to you constantly.