Good Twitter thread on the horror of "concentration camps" and the applicability of that term to migrants being detained at the Southern border

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fskimospy

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We don't have enough because they aren't paid legal wages. No employer would hire an illegal if they needed to pay the same wage as a legal resident.

No, Americans are highly resistant to doing the jobs anyway even at legal wage rates. We need LOTS of additional workers in this country because our birth rate is way too low. Millions!

Besides, I thought the entire progressive argument was that "if employers can't find workers then they''re not paying enough"?

For any one individual job that is true. On a macro level we simply lack sufficient workers, however. Surely you agree we should hugely ramp up legal immigration, right?
 
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glenn1

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No, Americans are highly resistant to doing the jobs anyway even at legal wage rates. We need LOTS of additional workers in this country because our birth rate is way too low. Millions!



For any one individual job that is true. On a macro level we simply lack sufficient workers, however. Surely you agree we should hugely ramp up legal immigration, right?

I've been arguing for higher legal immigration as long as I've been alive. That still doesn't change the fact most of those currently arriving at our southern border would be the very lowest ranked candidates among the global legal immigration pool. The idea that we'd willingly increase immigration and allow most of it to be the very least skilled, poorest educated, and worst cultural fits is stupid to the extreme.
 
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K1052

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I've been arguing for higher legal immigration as long as I've been alive. That still doesn't change the fact most of those currently arriving at our southern border would be the very lowest ranked candidates among the global legal immigration pool. The idea that we'd willingly increase immigration and allow most of it to be the very least skilled, poorest educated, and worst cultural fits is stupid to the extreme.

Amazing how these arguments never change. My family got here dirt poor from Southern Europe around 1900 and the exact same shit was said about us.
 

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Increasing legal immigration would likewise involve the left admitting things it would prefer to ignore,...
You make it sound like the left is hampering legal immigration efforts, when it is not.
...like the fact that increased immigration should still primarily exclude those who are primarily economic refugees with few/zero marketable job skills.
You then shift to statements of opinion that are not likely held by the majority of Americans and don't really address how it is applicable to your previous statement.
 
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We don't have enough because the demand from employers is high because illegals aren't paid legal wages. No employer would hire an illegal if they needed to pay the same wage as a legal resident. Besides, I thought the entire progressive argument was that "if employers can't find workers then they''re not paying enough"?

So, then illegal immigrants are good and necessary for our economy? What are you trying to argue here? If we are able to stop the illegal immigrants what do you expect to happen to those jobs?

Sounds like you are saying that we need them, and want them here, but you enjoy treating them like animals, so stop complaining about our brown people zoos.
 
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Jhhnn

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I've been arguing for higher legal immigration as long as I've been alive. That still doesn't change the fact most of those currently arriving at our southern border would be the very lowest ranked candidates among the global legal immigration pool. The idea that we'd willingly increase immigration and allow most of it to be the very least skilled, poorest educated, and worst cultural fits is stupid to the extreme.

"Worst cultural fit" is a great euphemism for racism.
 

Lanyap

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Atrocities. They're happening right here folks. Right now. We're not doing anything about it.



You are correct. Our lawmakers have not and are not doing anything about it. This particular immigration problem with families coming from CA started at least back in 2014. Obama tried to control the influx but it did not work during his last two years.

Yes, those poor Guatemalans fleeing the horrors of not being able to make more money in the U.S. are certainly just like the Jews. Especially the part where they fled a country thousands of miles away to wind up in a concentration camp in Poland.



Their reason for them coming to the US is now beyond economics. The CA countries are becoming shithole places to be for poor folks in those countries. They don't see any other solution than to risk their lives to get to the US. We are now beginning to see an increase (some call it a surge) in migrants from Central Africa. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/16/us/border-africans-congo-maine.html

The really sick thing about this is that some of these “concentration camps” are operated by for-profit corporations. They are incentivized to spend as little as possible for the welfare of their detainees while living high off the government hog trough.

Oh, and they get to use the detainees as dirt cheap indentured labor, too.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dolla...ivate-prisons-where-migrants-work-for-pennies



Not sure how we would handle the huge influx of asylum seekers from CA without some sort of contracting to for-profit corporations. BTW, these contracts started at least back in 2014.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...075993d73a2_story.html?utm_term=.3da580b5f787
Inside the administration’s $1 billion deal to detain Central American asylum seekers

August 14, 2016

DILLEY, Tex. — As Central Americans surged across the U.S. border two years ago, the Obama administration skipped the standard public bidding process and agreed to a deal that offered generous terms to Corrections Corporation of America, the nation’s largest prison company, to build a massive detention facility for women and children seeking asylum.



Our immigration system is overwhelmed and broken.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/us/immigration-border-mexico.html
The U.S. Immigration System May Have Reached a Breaking Point
For years, there have been warnings that America’s immigration system was going to fail. That time may be now.



It now seems that "concentration camps" is the new narrative for "the left". They need to be working on solutions instead of coming up with new narratives to complain about.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/449221-ocasio-cortez-under-fire-for-concentration-camp-remarks

https://www.google.com/search?ei=UW.....0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.kSDmdbE-QdY


https://www.jta.org/2019/06/18/unit...io-cortez-concentration-camp-debate-explained
Holocaust scholars, meanwhile, urge caution when making Holocaust comparisons or using terminology most commonly associated with the Nazi era. Edna Friedberg, a historian at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, made the point in a December essay.

“Careless Holocaust analogies may demonize, demean, and intimidate their targets. But there is a cost for all of us because they distract from the real issues challenging our society, because they shut down productive, thoughtful discourse,” she wrote.

“At a time when our country needs dialogue more than ever, it is especially dangerous to exploit the memory of the Holocaust as a rhetorical cudgel. We owe the survivors more than that. And we owe ourselves more than that.”
 
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blackangst1

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There is huge demand in the US for unskilled labor that is currently largely supplied by illegal immigrants and even then we don't have enough. We should absolutely not exclude them because we needs lots of them.

Yeah. Unskilled labor that wants $15 $20/hr.
 

glenn1

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Amazing how these arguments never change. My family got here dirt poor from Southern Europe around 1900 and the exact same shit was said about us.

Your family probably was shit (criminals, dirt poor, or unskilled) and wouldn't have been admitted had the U.S. had better options available. Now in 2019 we do have better options available in a global pool of billions and should take advantage of that instead of taking whatever stumbles across the border and says "asylum please."

"Worst cultural fit" is a great euphemism for racism.

Considering not a few of the "asylum seekers" claim to be on the run from violent gangs (when they might be a member of a rival gang) I'd say that "cultural fit" was a reasonable expectation. I'd daresay we likewise don't need to willingly take on more immigrants who believe female genital mutilation is a good thing, or that we should kill gays, or put women who are menstruating into isolated huts.
 
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I've been arguing for higher legal immigration as long as I've been alive. That still doesn't change the fact most of those currently arriving at our southern border would be the very lowest ranked candidates among the global legal immigration pool. The idea that we'd willingly increase immigration and allow most of it to be the very least skilled, poorest educated, and worst cultural fits is stupid to the extreme.
I like how you just threw that "worst cultural fit" in there. How very xenophobic of you.
 

K1052

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Your family probably was shit (criminals, dirt poor, or unskilled) and wouldn't have been admitted had the U.S. had better options available. Now in 2019 we do have better options available in a global pool of billions and should take advantage of that instead of taking whatever stumbles across the border and says "asylum please."

People don't mass emigrate when their options at home are good.
 

blackangst1

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You are correct. Our lawmakers have not and are not doing anything about it. This particular immigration problem with families coming from CA started at least back in 2014. Obama tried to control the influx but it did not work during his last two years.

Maybe Trump should do what Obama did...deport millions per year...
 

fskimospy

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Amazing how these arguments never change. My family got here dirt poor from Southern Europe around 1900 and the exact same shit was said about us.

Benjamin Franklin seems to share Glenn's concerns about the Mexicans Germans.

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/letter-to-peter-collinson/

We only get the dumb ones:

am perfectly of your mind, that measures of great Temper are necessary with the Germans: and am not without Apprehensions, that thro’ their indiscretion or Ours, or both, great disorders and inconveniences may one day arise among us; Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation, and as Ignorance is often attended with Credulity when Knavery would mislead it, and with Suspicion when Honesty would set it right; and as few of the English understand the German Language, and so cannot address them either from the Press or Pulpit, ’tis almost impossible to remove any prejudices they once entertain.

Bad for our government and elections, part of a wave of invading immigrants:

Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it
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For I remember when they modestly declined intermeddling in our Elections, but now they come in droves, and carry all before them, except in one or two Counties

Won't learn English, the REAL language of America. Why do I have to learn another language in my own country!?!

Few of their children in the Country learn English...Advertisements intended to be general are now printed in Dutch and English; the Signs in our Streets have inscriptions in both languages, and in some places only German

I could go on. You are right though, in hundreds of years the anti-immigrant panic and rhetoric never changes, yet we're supposed to think that every generation has a true threat from Those People.
 

K1052

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Considering not a few of the "asylum seekers" claim to be on the run from violent gangs (a rival gang which they may have been a member of) I'd say that "cultural fit" was a reasonable expectation. I'd daresay we likewise don't need to willingly take on more immigrants who believe female genital mutilation is a good thing, or that we should kill gays, or put women who are menstruating into isolated huts.

They're all possibly gang members (who have committed no crime in the US) and we are too fucking raci...er lazy to actually check so best keep them out because "culture".

What a load of shit.
 

fskimospy

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"which cited three unidentified U.S. officials with knowledge of meetings at the White House. It said Trump for months has pressured officials to resume the separations. "

Until it happens, meh. We all know if Trump wanted to resume that policy he just...would.

Have you not paid any attention over the last two years? One of the main recurring stories is Trump trying to do insane things and his staff finding ways to thwart him.

That's like saying if Trump wanted to fire Mueller he just would have. We know he DID want to and DID try, he was just thwarted by his staff. Now what he did was still a felony, but the fact that his felony failed doesn't change the fact that he wanted and tried to do it.
 
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glenn1

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They're all possibly gang members (who have committed no crime in the US) and we are too fucking raci...er lazy to actually check so best keep them out because "culture".

What a load of shit.

We might as well shut down the legal immigration system since folks like @K1052 and @Jhhnn don't care. Let anyone in, we'll sort it all out later.
 
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Somehow the US survived decades without such Camps.....

what would canada do if 100's of thousands of people from another country showed up in vancouver in 1 month? and Canada has stricter immigration laws than the US