Good point from Slashdot regarding Linux and Microsoft...

Descartes

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"Let's not forget that Linux is dying, and if it is to survive, it will be in small niche markets and OS hobbyist circles. No, I'm not going to bitch, whine, and spread FUD about Linux, but what I am going to do is present cold hard facts about what Linux is doing, how it is failing, and why it is failing.
It's no secret that Linux is endangered, and continues to fail to enter new markets. Linux has done great in the server market for one simple reason; no, it's not open source, or the great engineering and coding abilities of Linus, no, that's not the reason at all, the real reason is Unix. Linux has failed to invent new technologies to answer the problems that exist with Linux, and instead takes ideas from anywhere they can get them from, including what it was derived from, Unix.

Linux is a carnivore no less evil that Microsoft itself. Like MS, Linux takes ideas from anywhere possible, and claims they invented this "new" technology. The Linux community then takes this "new" idea, GPLs it, and then forces anyone wanting to improve it or use that code to GPL their own code. This is not the open source philosophy; open source is about free-will and choice of not just the users of open source, but the developers themselves. Forcing a developer to GPL their code takes away the free-will and choice of the developer to choose their license, and decide what is done with their code. Instead of giving developers a choice, the GPL forces them to agree with someone else's ideas and the choices that person made, even though they may feel those ideas are flawed. Even if the developer agrees and approves of the idea of open source, they are still not allowed to sell their code for a profit that will support them. In time, enough developers will be forced out of work by the GPL, and they will stop coding for Linux. Lack of developers will force Linux into small OS hobbyists circles, and force them to concentrate on a specific area of development. It's hard to say what that area will be since Linux is being pulled in so many directions, but that decision will eventually be made by Linus, the sole owner of Linux.

When that decision is finally made, there will be even more severe fragmentation than we have now. The Linux Distribution List reports there are more than 180 Linux distributions, and the list keeps growing. This is a level of fragmentation that has been unseen even in Unix land, yet the Linux leaderscontinue to downplay splintering.

There are dozens of Linux companies that try to make money off of Linux by selling services, software, and hardware that is compatible with Linux. These Linux companies often get funding, let's look at some examples:"

I know this is a tired subject, but it was a good point.
 

Soybomb

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I would disagree about linux users shrinking in numbers as well. I think its an awesome platform for the server market but it definatley needs some work before its ready for prime time desktop use. There needs to be a distro with no unnecessary daemons turned on from the start of a basic install (this means wu-ftpd from redhat and so on). There needs to be an easy way to get truetype fonts imported from the windows partition and working. Its like every distro has its own not quite clear procedure. The bootloaders need to work better. Too many of the distros come with an old version of lilo that needs to be about cyl 1024, on the first harddrive, and activated on the first lunar eclipse of the next year. I could go on but I think you get my point. I'm hoping the next series of releases with Xfree4 and the 2.4 kernel start to fix stuff. I'm trying the next SuSE when it comes out to evaluate it I know.....
 

rahvin

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<<Linux has failed to invent new technologies to answer the problems that exist with Linux, and instead takes ideas from anywhere they can get them from, including what it was derived from, Unix.>>

Are we talking Linux or open source in general? Linux intself is similar to Unix in that it built on a PROVEN platform, but Linux itself is quite differnt from the old Unicies (very inferior in many ways because everything is having to be created from scratch but that is changing so rapidly). A heritige in Unix is actually Linux's biggest strength, it's based around an OS with a 30 year pedigree that was designed right from the begining.

<<The Linux community then takes this &quot;new&quot; idea, GPLs it, and then forces anyone wanting to improve it or use that code to GPL their own code.>>

No this is NOT the Linux community, this is the free software community. What the author of the code says is this:

Take my code and use it however you want.
Rename it, improve it, sell it.
BUT: If you change something and distribute it you must release the changes in the form of source code, or you must purchase a seperate license from me to use my original code.

This prevents someone from taking something, improving it and selling it without giving anything back to the community they stole from. If you don't wanna release your changes under the GPL then you don't use the GPL'd code and you write your own. Plain and SIMPLE.

<<Even if the developer agrees and approves of the idea of open source, they are still not allowed to sell their code for a profit that will support them. In time, enough developers will be forced out of work by the GPL, and they will stop coding for Linux. Lack of developers will force Linux into small OS hobbyists circles, and force them to concentrate on a specific area of development>>

This is wrong, the GPL does NOT prevent you from selling your improvements, but you are forced to GPL your code as well (if you don't want to GPL, don't use the GPL'd code to begin with). Everyone benefits from the changes. The difference is that no one will EVER be able to charge a large premium for the software, but instead will have to focus on SERVICES, something the software business is severly lacking.

<<When that decision is finally made, there will be even more severe fragmentation than we have now. The Linux Distribution List reports there are more than 180 Linux distributions, and the list keeps growing. This is a level of fragmentation that has been unseen even in Unix land, yet the Linux leaderscontinue to downplay splintering.>>

Fragmentation is never a threat to Linux. All improvements made must be GPL'd and can be incorportated into all of the distributions and in fact are. The more distributions there are the more they are the same. See not everyone believes that one size fits all, some people think that if you are using an older computer you don't go throw the latest kernel on it. Maybe it's better suited to having an older version or no GUI. The differences in the distributions are subtle touchy feely stuff, nothing substantial.

It's actually a rather stupid message, the author does not understand the difference between Free software (free as in beer) and Linux.
 

jsm

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Did someone forget the embedded market? There are going to be Linux based PDAs popping up soon - and who can forget Tivo which runs Linux. And we should not forget all the network appliances that run Linux out there.

As a consultant, I have been paid to install Linux onto desktops that people use as everyday workstations. This is not an everyday occurence, but it shows that it is growing in more than just the server market.

I do agree that Linux people borrow heavily from all other operating systems. But, really, there are few developers who truly innovate anymore. It seems like all the good inventions happened quite some time ago. So, really, I almost feel like everyone is really copying everyone these days. The only difference these days is execution of quality, marketing (mindshare) and price point.
 

jacobnero6918

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Linux is definitly growing where I live. More people seem to ask about it and want to run it on there computers even if it's dual boot situation. Before Linux was virtually unknown.
 

SVTPower

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Linux is awesome.

I won't run it on a home PC fully just yet but it's the only OS thats showing good growth, Where all the Solaris for X86 is crap.

I give it a few more versions and it will be seen a lot more on PC's. Once the ease of networking and device management is all cleaned up it will be very strong.
 

Usul

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Linux is expanding, and if onl Linus would let eveything else ang go to the top of a no-profit organization...
 

jmcoreymv

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I guess I can understand linux in embedded devices but I really dont understand it anywhere else. For the workstation market...windows 2000 without a doubt, and for the server market...BSD tends to rip linux a new one.