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Good old pork barrel politics at work: Two senators want to closely examine overseas military bases

AndrewR

Lifer
Hmmm, do you think they have any ulterior motives for closing overseas bases -- uh, sorry, "realigning" -- since there are military installations within their own states which are in danger of being shut down?

Certainly they pander to the notion that perhaps more overseas basing is necessary, but that certainly isn't the overall tone of the article in which they horribly fail to understand the vital importance of established overseas operating bases. I am not saying that there isn't a need to examine our force posture, but their intent seems clear enough to me -- don't touch Ft. Hood or Twentynine Palms!

San Diego Union-Tribune
May 6, 2003

A Needed Look At Overseas Basing

By Kay Bailey Hutchison and Dianne Feinstein

As the recent military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq have illustrated, the Cold War concept guiding the overseas basing for the U.S. military is obsolete. Yet the number, structure and scope of our overseas bases are still largely aligned for the threat of Soviet aggression.

The process of when, how and why we base troops abroad is in need of a thorough examination to assure that our basing structure is adequate to the new security environment. And as chairman and ranking member of the Senate Military Construction Subcommittee, we have proposed legislation to do just that.

During the Cold War, our primary military mission was to defend our nation and our allies from the symmetric Soviet threat of aggression, and "boots on the ground" in Europe and Asia allowed us to do just that.

But even though the United States decreased some forces with the end of the Cold War, our nation still has 112,000 troops in Europe, 37,000 in Korea and 45,000 in Japan, largely in installations designed, devised and intended for the threats of an earlier era.

The challenges we face today, however, are largely asymmetric, such terrorists groups or rogue states gaining weapons of mass destruction. Events of the past decade ? and since Sept. 11, 2001, especially ? have taught us that we need not only to maintain a military presence abroad, but to be in a position to support contingencies where we have no permanent bases, such as in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Africa and throughout the Middle East.

In the final analysis we may need less troops based overseas ? or more ? but clearly the needs are different than they once were, and it is critical that the United States move beyond the Cold War basing concepts.

This is not simply a matter of security ? although that is sufficient ? but also of assuring that taxpayer dollars are well and wisely spent. The Defense Department has requested $174 million for Korea and $284 million for Germany for new military construction next year ? a large bill for an outdated model.

In South Korea, our soldiers often serve on the same patches of ground U.S. troops occupied when the Korean War ended in 1953. Today, these training areas are inadequate to accommodate the extended reach of our weapons and the rapid pace of modern maneuver warfare. In fact, more than 7,000 U.S. troops are stationed at the Yongsan Army Garrison, which was built by the colonial Japanese Army long before World War II.

In Grafenwoehr, Germany, our troops train on tank and artillery ranges used by the Bavarian Army more than a century ago. The Army has poured hundreds of millions of dollars into the complex in the past decade, even though the best training area consists of only 18,000 acres of land, a postage stamp compared to the 400,000 acres of maneuver area and ranges available at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin, or the more than 1 million acres at Fort Bliss' McGregor Range on the Texas-New Mexico border.

Further complicating matters, the Defense Department is preparing for another round of domestic base closures in 2005. As we scrutinize stateside military installations, we must take a look at our worldwide structure as well. After all, it may well make sense to close a stateside base if certain overseas bases will remain open and in use ? and to make sure that same base remains open or is even upgraded should certain overseas bases be consolidated or closed.

To make sure we get the answers to these questions right, we have introduced bipartisan legislation to create a congressional commission to take an objective and thorough look at our overseas basing structure. The commission will consider a host of criteria to determine whether our bases are prepared to meet our needs in the 21st century. It will be comprised of national security and foreign affairs experts who will provide a comprehensive analysis of our worldwide base and force structure to the 2005 domestic Base Realignment and Closure Commission, or BRAC.

Such a review is timely. Some in the Pentagon have suggested the 2005 BRAC could result in the closure of nearly one out of every four domestic bases. But, if after a careful review, we reduce our overseas presence, we will need stateside bases to station returning troops. It is senseless to close bases on U.S. soil only to later realize that we made a costly, irrevocable mistake ? a painful lesson we learned in the last round of closures.

Our national security strategy is shifting to take on the new threats facing our nation. The position of U.S. troops around the globe must reflect that thinking.

Hutchison, a Republican from Texas, is chairman of the Senate Military Construction Subcommittee. Feinstein, a Democrat from California, is ranking member of that committee.
 
I think it is time to evaluate our foreign bases. I think it is time to relocate to places that dont mind our troops being there. We dont need 115K troops with their familys and contractors in Europe. I think the same could be said for Japan. It is time to bring home as many troops and family as we can.
 
The Korean War has NOT ended, it is still on a cease fire. I think the current case with North Korea shows this clearly.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
I think it is time to evaluate our foreign bases. I think it is time to relocate to places that dont mind our troops being there. We dont need 115K troops with their familys and contractors in Europe. I think the same could be said for Japan. It is time to bring home as many troops and family as we can.

I agree, you should take home all of your troops, we don't need them, and they would serve better in the US... i would help charter them myself...

But none or them are in my country, they would not be allowed to cross the border...
 
What's wrong with re-evaluating our military bases overseas when they are no longer viable? Maybe por barrel politic to some senators but it also saves money because I believe overseas bases are more expansive than home. I for one would like our troops home when it's clear they are no longer needed to be stationed there. Just like the recent reallocation of our troops from the Saudi bases, we no longer need to be there, let's move them somewhere where they're needed or home.
Plus we could deploy our carrier armadas and our mobile forces anywhere in the world within 24-48 hr notice to counter any threat.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
I think it is time to evaluate our foreign bases. I think it is time to relocate to places that dont mind our troops being there. We dont need 115K troops with their familys and contractors in Europe. I think the same could be said for Japan. It is time to bring home as many troops and family as we can.

Forces probably do need to be realigned in Europe, but they are important nevertheless for a few reasons. The presence of American forces there allows us to rapidly reposition units if needed within that theater (which includes Africa), and the bases they occupy provide staging areas for forces operating elsewhere such as southwest Asia. Further, the presence of US forces fosters military relationships with important allies, particularly Britain and Germany and provides intra-NATO training opportunites on short notice that simply would not be present with troops in the States going over for a short while each year.

The same cannot be said for Japan where the case for realignment is much weaker. The presence of North Korea and the increasing power of China coupled with the historical issues of having a reinvigorated Japanese military without the stabilizing presence of American forces sows danger for the future. If the presence of significant US force leaves, Personally, I don't consider serving over here or in Europe a hardship by any stretch of the imagination -- quite the opposite. South Korea is a different story. Stateside, serving in New Mexico or North Dakota would be a hardship.

But none or them are in my country, they would not be allowed to cross the border...

We stick to countries that matter. Sweden doesn't.
 
Yeah, Hutchinson and Feinstein's article is about pork, IMO. Senator Mike Mansfield was calling for a reduction of forces in Europe back in 1966 during the cold war as he foresaw construction of bases in Montana. Nothing has changed.

My take on the upcoming installation closures is that Europe will take some hits along with the USA. From a maneuver perspective, USAREUR is down to 4 combat brigades, 1 airborne task force, and 1 battalion from the 10th Special Forces Group. In comparison, there were literally five combat divisions, one ADA "division", 1 airborne task force and 1 battalion from 10th SFG along with numerous tac-nuke forces in Germany during the 60s.

As far as Grafenwöhr is concerned, it is cheaper to train them there than ship the units back over here. The authors use a relatively poor example in making their point. First of all, Grafenwöhr is for gunnery. Most stateside units perform gunnery at home station. NTC, with the exception of the task force gunnery exercise, offers little in the way of individual and platoon gunnery. Secondly, maneuver exercises are conducted at Hohenfels. USAREUR-based units typically combine rotations between Graf and Hohenfels nowadays anyway as both training areas are within 80 km of each other. Finally, the logistics of transporting a brigade-sized element to NTC is enormous (more on that in a moment).

Comparing NTC to Graf/Hohenfels deployments is like comparing bowling balls to cue balls. In Germany, units have employed an SOP which effectively deals with the twice yearly Graf/Hohenfels rotations for more than 50 years. Ramp-up for a twice-annual event requires comparatively little preparation. Starting in the mid-80s, USAREUR began using civilian buses to transport troops to the Major Training areas (MTAs). Before bussing, soldiers traveled in troop cars with their tanks and APCs on the trains. Wheeled military vehicles convoy out to the MTAs and simultaneously transport their own organic assets.

On the other hand, movement to NTC is a significant deployment of massive proportions typically requiring enormous chartered air and trucking assets. Arms rooms, connex containers and a massive amount of crap are transported via civilian means. Actually, even though I don't have the figures, I'd say bi-annual, brigade-level Graf/Hohenfels rotations are nevertheless much cheaper than NTC rotations.

With four combat brigades remaining in USAREUR, there is no longer a shortage of training time. Still, the argument remains on whether or not maintenance of forward-deployed posture in Europe is actually worth it.

But none or them are in my country, they would not be allowed to cross the border...
Start a conflict, such as the one initiated by Hitler, Göbbels, Himmler et. al., and that convenient little theory quickly gets tossed in the dumpster.
 
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
I think it is time to evaluate our foreign bases. I think it is time to relocate to places that dont mind our troops being there. We dont need 115K troops with their familys and contractors in Europe. I think the same could be said for Japan. It is time to bring home as many troops and family as we can.

I agree, you should take home all of your troops, we don't need them, and they would serve better in the US... i would help charter them myself...

But none or them are in my country, they would not be allowed to cross the border...
Thanks for turning them down in advance but I think you really should wait for the requisite desire that the US would want to be in your country in the first place.

 
I would rather have overseas bases closed, than domestic.

That said I can't stand the thought of the good senator Hutchinson working with Feinstein.
 
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