Good Old Newbie: Intel's Celeron 1.7 GHz for Socket 478
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wow. i didn't think it would do that well.
i would be curious to see how it compares to a 1700mhz p4 willamete.
Whatever the case, does it matter? It's still a Willamette how you slice it.
I would think the Duron 1300 would still give it a good run for the money.
I would think the Duron 1300 would still give it a good run for the money.
the prices quoted were from amd "in 1,000-unit quantities". you can always buy them for less (although i don't understand why that is.)
for instance, intel sells the p4-2400mhz for "$562 in 1,000-unit quantities", but you can get it at newegg for $526.
also, the celeron price is for a retail model (w/heatsink & fan, and warranty), whereas the duron is oem.
Pretty huge oversight not to include the P4-northwood 1.6a and will 1.7 in the mix to see how much speed you give up to save $45.
I never thought I'd say this about a Celeron but....Wow! I can't recommend a Duron for the low end or Athlon for the highend. AMD better get it together and get some new products out soon or their marketshare will continue to errode. One wonders if the problem is even at Fab30 and not with UMC. From some of the people I've talked with, AMD began converting Dresden to focus on Hammer while UMC did the same for Athlon @.13um. Until they start shipping product though, my recommendation will have to be Intel Celeron if you don't need the power and Intel Northwood if you do. 
also, the celeron price is for a retail model (w/heatsink & fan, and warranty), whereas the duron is oem.
No, I tried to compare OEM to OEM and Retail to Retail, but in both cases the Duron was cheaper.
OEM Retail
Duron 1.3 $68 $76
Celeron 1.7 $88 $96
No, I tried to compare OEM to OEM and Retail to Retail, but in both cases the Duron was cheaper.
OEM Retail
Duron 1.3 $68 $76
Celeron 1.7 $88 $96
and think about the upgrade path... amd will be switching sockets for hammer, and who knows how long the t-bred will go. (probably not very far, imho.)Originally posted by: ST4RCUTTER
I never thought I'd say this about a Celeron but....Wow! I can't recommend a Duron for the low end or Athlon for the highend. AMD better get it together and get some new products out soon or their marketshare will continue to errode. One wonders if the problem is even at Fab30 and not with UMC. From some of the people I've talked with, AMD began converting Dresden to focus on Hammer while UMC did the same for Athlon @.13um. Until they start shipping product though, my recommendation will have to be Intel Celeron if you don't need the power and Intel Northwood if you do.
since rumor has it that prescott will also use s478, it appears that intel will stick with s478 for a while.
my how the tables have turned. seems like we were just saying the opposite things not too long ago.
my how the tables have turned. seems like we were just saying the opposite things not too long ago.
Exactly! Half the year ago it was AMD all the way! And now one can get a 'hyper-threaded', 'netburst' CPU for roughly $80. I think that these new Celerons are the best CPUs right now for those who don't OC. And the upgradeability is going to be excellent.
However, I'm not sure that Prescott will work in today's mobos. It will have a much lower voltage, like Tualatin, and may require a new stepping chipset.
Another thing that would be intresting to know about these new Celerons is their L2 cache associativity. Is it only half of that of the Willamete? It would reduce the L2 bandwidth considerably and severely hurt performance, as it was with Coppermine Celerons, where the second half of the L2 cache was just switched off, and its bandwidth was reduced twice.
Just wait until you see how far these things overclock...2.26GHz for $88 isn't bad at all
Take care,
Anand
Take care,
Anand
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Tom is a frikin tard these day's. It's like he puts no effort into his artical's any more.
In the end, it seems to work out: The Celeron Willamette 1.7 GHz is currently the fastest budget CPU. At $83, it is even slightly cheaper than AMD's Duron 1300 ($84).
He is talking in terms of retail price, the Retail Duron 1.3 was $83 at NewEgg about a week and a half ago.
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There is a lot of confusion here. Sid03 was correct. AMD's official price in 1000 lot quantities is $84 for the 1.3 GHz Duron. Prices straight from AMD itself. Intel's official price in 1000 lot quantities is $83 (assuming Tom was correct since Intel hasn't yet posted the new Celeron price on their website).
Prices in 1000 lots are not the same as you will see in the street. Take the 1.3 GHz Duron for example. It started around $90 on the street, but the price has steadilly dropped. It hit $75 around mid April, and is now as low as $62 in mid May. The reason is since AMD has a price lower than $84 in lots larger than 1000.
The 1.7 GHz Celeron will see the same thing. Even though its official 1000 lot price is $83, it sells for nearly $90 on the street. As prices settle it will drop to around $80, then possibly bottom near $70 (unless Intel drops prices on it).
So comparing the price of a component that has had two months to settle down to a component that is just released is a bit misleading (since we all know the price will drop about 10% in the first week or two). Tom is also misleading in comparing only the official 1000 lot prices.
Is a nice review just around the corner?
awesome, i should be putting together a low cost machine here in the somewhat near future, things can only be cheaper by then!
Originally posted by: Anand Lal Shimpi
Working on two of 'em now
Cool. Keep up the great work, sir.
interesting...
but i still find the best deals to be the 1.6A northy, or hte xp 1800+
for a budget processor tho...quite a steal.
but socket 478 boards aren't as cheap as a lot of socket A boards (i.e. k7s5a), so....
but i still find the best deals to be the 1.6A northy, or hte xp 1800+
for a budget processor tho...quite a steal.
but socket 478 boards aren't as cheap as a lot of socket A boards (i.e. k7s5a), so....
gigabyte 8SRX (sis 645) for $66 at mwave. Not as cheap as the K7S5A but has a lot of overclocking options+ hardware sound. I think you can find quite a few quality mobos for less than $70 now.
This is a great deal I feel, espc. if it ocs decentley. This comes as no suprise to me though, the Duron's 100fsb is killing it. I anxiouslly await Anand's review!!!!
gigabyte 8SRX (sis 645) for $66 at mwave. Not as cheap as the K7S5A but has a lot of overclocking options+ hardware sound. I think you can find quite a few quality mobos for less than $70 now.
k7s5a also has onboard network which is worth a few bux.
k7s5a also has onboard network which is worth a few bux.
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