Good non-biased read on Intels new cpus

Hard Ball

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Good read indeed; I agree, that the bulk of the lines of both companies are nothing to get exited about; the Yonah, Presler, and the M2 CPUs will all only offer marginal improvements, hardly worth upgrading entire platforms for. The only thing worth watching for is the Taylor, to see if it can give PMs some good competition down the road; and even that is not much more than souped up EE DC Opterons with a different mem controller.

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And also, we may just get intelia come in this thread again to share his/her life philosphy and a whole bunch of "information" akin to those supported by intel market development fund; we'll see if this turns into another flame-throwers' thread.
 

Markfw

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I like this one:
Well, just to get those brand new fabs up and running, Intel will have "missing link" CPUs. I'm not sure what else you can call products like Yonah or Dempsey. They'll show up in early 2006, and offer relatively minor improvement over the current bunch, but after a short time in the spotlight, they're supposed to jump aside for the real deal.
What I don't agree with is when they said the Pentium M had no competition from AMD . My son just got a Turion64, will do 64bit, and it close in power comsumption to the Pentium M.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Hard Ball
t get intelia come in this thread again to share his/her life philosphy

I love it when people are politically correct :) . This person claims to be a female but I can claim to be a monkey. I think its just a banned person signing on an alias.





Article is supposedly unbiased, but they don't have the actual chip so they don't know. I'll wait until the chip comes out to make a judgement.
 

bunnyfubbles

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yeah, Intel isn't doing anything we really didn't expect, taking the P-M architecture to the desktop and fixing its weaknesses (we think, let's wait for the reviews). This means Intel will actually have a product worth some serious consideration for us enthusiasts instead of the nobrainer that the A64/X2 is.

I'm actually excited I'll have more choices because that can only mean lower prices and better products all around, not just with CPUs but with motherboards and ram as well (since we'll have both companies on DDR2 we should start seeing DDR2 development take off).
 

Duvie

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Its basically a commentary no different from anyone else at this point except they dont have to kiss arse in their review to keep papa Intel happy...They dont care...they are just a hardware enthusiast site talking about the fastest and the most powerful...
 

biostud

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as of yet this editor could just burb out his more or less insightfull comments. I agree that it definately seems lik Intel is aiming for low power and still a very good peroformance which is what 90% of PC market is about. So if they have the product that will satisfy most customers it's a pretty wise decision, then I'm pretty sure they can live with most gamers choosing AMD. We ofcourse still need performance and price on these new "wonders", which will be quite important. For large offices lower power consumption, and maybe moving all employees to mobile solutions (which slowly is becoming a trend around here) is what Intel is aiming at.
 

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No Intelia yet...

Interesting article, but I fail to its point. Is s/he talking about the future of computers, and how Intel plans to turn the tide in the battle against AMD?
 

Pabster

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Very interesting read, for sure. I do agree that in the forseeable future neither company has anything earth shattering on the plate. Yonah will be nice and AMD will be moving to M2 and we'll see some higher-clocked 65nm X2 processors but other than that...

And let us be realistic. 99% of the PC users couldn't care less that System 1 only gets 50fps and System 2 gets 70. If they can play their favorite game(s) and it runs well, they could care less. And all of the rigs are fine for 99% of the typical daily tasks. We're just a bunch of energized geeks looking to squeeze every benchmark point and MHz we can, always pushing the envelope. :D
 
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Thanks for the props on the find,
I have been going to OC for a while and find there stuff to be pretty good. Do i think they are fanboys of either? No, seems to me that they tell it like it is, or at least how they see it. Funny thing, they seem to be very good at predicting what the cpu companies will do. Ok enough props to them.
I dont belive were going to see any major increases in performance until something drastic happens in the CPU market, some radical change in the way things are done. Let the flaming begin, but i still belive that the cell is going to be along those lines. Its prolly the biggest stray from a "normal" cpu that we have seen in a long time. Granted this is also a product that wont be out for a long time, but i really feel like IBM may have something with it.
 

Alaa

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this is really interesting..he may be true but lets wait and see wut can intel do in benchmarks
 

BitByBit

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I think that was more of an opinion than anything else.
The Athlon 64, while architecturally similar, is no XP with an IMC.
Here are the improvements AMD made to the Athlon with the K8 off the top of my head:

? Integrated memory controller
? Greatly improved branch prediction with 4X the number of history counter entries
? Larger, lower latency TLBs
? Extended pipeline for higher clock speeds
? Improved Out-of-order engine introducing the 'pack' pipeline stage
? Higher L1 cache bandwidth
? Significantly lower latency L2 with double the bus width (128-bits vs. 64-bit).
? Crossbar, designed with multicore in mind.

It would be interesting to see what kind of benefit the other enhancements make to the Athlon's performance, rather than just the IMC.
I'd imagine the improved L2 is responible for a significant portion of the boost in gaming performance in particular.
Unfortunately, I've tried to find benchmarks of the Athlon 64 using an external memory controller since I read it was able to do this, but haven't found any so far.

Conroe aswell is no Pentium M.
While the Pentium M may have been the basis of Conroe's design, its 4-issue pipeline alone means that it has changed beyond recognition.
Conroe is probably a bigger change from the Pentium M than the Athlon 64 is over the XP.

 

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As far as performance goes, what about graphic editors, developers, etc etc etc.... I don't think it would be helpful to us if AMD was the only company focusing on performance unless they became a DFI like company :D
 

exar333

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I would definitely like to have a great product to choose from both companies...think back to AthlonXP and early P4 Northwoods....there were 2 great products there! :)
 

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DADDY STRIKES BACK !!!

Intel has chips coming that are so fast it make AMD look like a duck !!!

YONAH, MEROM, SASSAMAN, what awesome chips we have in our sights !!!

AMD user had better start selling !!!
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: Dothan
DADDY STRIKES BACK !!!

Intel has chips coming that are so fast it make AMD look like a duck !!!

YONAH, MEROM, SASSAMAN, what awesome chips we have in our sights !!!

AMD user had better start selling !!!

I don't buy underperforming processors, thanks.
 

Topweasel

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Originally posted by: Intelia
BUMPITY BUMP

I am surprised you would bump an article that basically says that Intel has given up on the performance sector and Is now forced to use tweaked mobile CPUs as desktop CPUs and is Useing "Performance Per Watt" as the banner for the next year or so. The difference between a A64 and a P4 in power usage equals like $5 a month if that, the Problem is not power usage but power leakage which is killing Intel (and ATI) right now. You might be easily suckered into a marketing ploy used as a decoy till they get their act straight, but none of us here or the editor of the that webpage is as easily missled.
 

theMan

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no, intellia is just bumping it so more people will start flaming like crazy.

that was a really good read btw.
 

Banzai042

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Wait, let me get this straight, we see an article that says that Intel knows it can't compete with AMD in terms of computing power, so they are shifting the battle to low power consumption and Dothan comes in saying that intel will be coming out with incredibly fast processors? Dothan, next time you comment on something like this, READ THE ARTICLE FIRST, then post SOMETHING RELEVANT. Doing that will do quite a bit to increase your credibility from the negative zone, oh, and i'm typing this on my laptop which uses a pentium M, so don't bother saying i don't use intel, after all, that does seem to be your knee jerk response any time somebody tells you not to randomly fire your mouth off.