Good news for the AGP users powecolor HD3850pro

imported_Scoop

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Yeah maybe I'll just buy a new GPU and be cpu bottlenecked for the rest of my life! Been there, done that... never again
 

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How'sat good news? It's just going to keep them from moving out of the dinosaur age that much longer. AGP started dying in early '04 and has been officially dead since early '05 people. Get with the program.
 

WAZ

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It is good news for people who HAVE AGP systems and don't want to upgrade their motherboard just to boost their graphics a little more. Nothing wrong with that.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: ja1484

How'sat good news? It's just going to keep them from moving out of the dinosaur age that much longer. AGP started dying in early '04 and has been officially dead since early '05 people. Get with the program.

AGP started "dying", but as you can see, it's not dead. This is perfect for people who want to upgrade their graphics card, but do not have enough money for an entirely new platform. If Powercolor keeps this reasonably priced, around 200 bucks, then it is a terrific way to breathe new life into your aging AGP system.

My mother for example. She likes to play the SIMS 2 games. She currently has a P4 2.8 800fsb 478 AGP system with a GeForce 6600 vanilla 128MB. It does struggle a bit with the 6600. I looked around for the best AGP card available to replace the 6600, but all I could find were 7900GS (best i could find from Nvidia), or x1950pro's. (Both are very pricey for what they are.
The 3850 AGP arrives at a time when price wars are at their best, so I would think this will be available at a reasonable price. (About the same price as 7900GS is going for. And it will whoop a 7900GS's buttocks. I was seriously considering re-vamping her whole system, but that would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 550 to 600 bux. That was for:

Case & PSU
E2140 C2D
Asus P5B-SE
2GB Geil DDR2 800
160GB SATA HDD
LG DVD/RW
Floppy drive
PCI-e 3850
wireless Keyboard & Mouse

So, at this very busy stage in my life (2 jobs) and 2 kids to look after (wife works to), Just buying an AGP 3850 and slapping it in would save me hours and hours of time I do not have to spare at the moment. It would take ten minutes at most. And I don't have to backup a ton of data to transfer to the new PC and hours of email configs and installing programs.

AGP may be dying, but it is a breathe of fresh air when you see something like this come along. HD3850 512 AGP is something a whole lot of people will buy. Those who have not had the money or "willpower" to re-do their whole system.

As for CPU bottlenecking? Maybe, but how terrible could it be? A 2.8 P4 was ok for me while I had a 7900GT. Not the best, but more than sufficient. And a 7900 GT was a motherload faster than a 6600. And, I could resell this down the road for more money than the equivalent PCI-E card.

I like to think things through before commenting on the boards. Maybe you should try it to.
 

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Sure, hopefully this will help kill AGP faster. I don't understand why people stick with it when they are spending $20, $30, sometimes $50 premium just so their card will work with there old system. Yeah, it sucks to have to upgrade your entire system, but you can get an entry level PCIE system for dirt now a days.
 

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I will have the most powerful Duron based system on the planet once I get a hold of that sucker.World domination.
 

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Originally posted by: Cogman
Sure, hopefully this will help kill AGP faster. I don't understand why people stick with it when they are spending $20, $30, sometimes $50 premium just so their card will work with there old system. Yeah, it sucks to have to upgrade your entire system, but you can get an entry level PCIE system for dirt now a days.

Agreed. $75 for an 8500GT, $70 dual core AMD proc, $60 micro ATX mobo, $40 for 2gb of RAM. Assuming the case is ATX or micro atx form factor, that would make you set to go for under 250 bucks.
 

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
AGP started "dying", but as you can see, it's not dead. This is perfect for people who want to upgrade their graphics card, but do not have enough money for an entirely new platform. If Powercolor keeps this reasonably priced, around 200 bucks, then it is a terrific way to breathe new life into your aging AGP system.


Nah, it's dead. There's just people in denial.

I don't have the cash to redo my system very often either - the platform you see in my sig was originally constructed in Jan 2004 around an OC'd A64 3000+ Winchester with 1GB DDR400 and a 6600GT. I specifically waited until early 2004 so that I could get in on the PCIe motherboard with (then top notch) socket 939 and have a platform that would carry me through upgrades until done with graduate school, which at that time I was *starting* a year after the PC was built. It's aging now, but still has enough juice to get it done with anything on the market (thanks in no small part to the 8800), and should for the next year until I'm getting some actual job money in the bank rather than living like a pauper to minimize my debt.

Well, here we are 4 years later. In that span I added a second GB of memory, swapped out to a dual core proc, and updated the graphics card as needed. I knew back then that picking up AGP was a bad idea - hell the whole community knew it. It's called planning. AGP has been a bad idea for about 5 years now, and if you're still using 5 year old graphics hardware, you aren't playing today's games, period, and you'll never need PCIe.

The sooner they stop making AGP variants, the better. It'll cut down on the clutter in the already overcrowded graphics card retail space.

 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Cogman
Sure, hopefully this will help kill AGP faster. I don't understand why people stick with it when they are spending $20, $30, sometimes $50 premium just so their card will work with there old system. Yeah, it sucks to have to upgrade your entire system, but you can get an entry level PCIE system for dirt now a days.

Maybe some people do not like "entry-level" systems, and are saving up for the system they really want? Sure, you can spend 30 bucks for the cheapest crap motherboard on the planet just as long as it supports PCI-e, but then what?

I don't know about everybody else, but for my new builds, I tend to want a scootch better than entry level. No PC-Chips here.
 

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
AGP started "dying", but as you can see, it's not dead. This is perfect for people who want to upgrade their graphics card, but do not have enough money for an entirely new platform. If Powercolor keeps this reasonably priced, around 200 bucks, then it is a terrific way to breathe new life into your aging AGP system.


Nah, it's dead. There's just people in denial.

I don't have the cash to redo my system very often either - the platform you see in my sig was originally constructed in Jan 2004 around an OC'd A64 3000+ Winchester with 1GB DDR400 and a 6600GT. I specifically waited until early 2004 so that I could get in on the PCIe motherboard with (then top notch) socket 939 and have a platform that would carry me through upgrades until done with graduate school, which at that time I was *starting* a year after the PC was built. It's aging now, but still has enough juice to get it done with anything on the market (thanks in no small part to the 8800), and should for the next year until I'm getting some actual job money in the bank rather than living like a pauper to minimize my debt.

Well, here we are 4 years later. In that span I added a second GB of memory, swapped out to a dual core proc, and updated the graphics card as needed. I knew back then that picking up AGP was a bad idea - hell the whole community knew it. It's called planning. AGP has been a bad idea for about 5 years now, and if you're still using 5 year old graphics hardware, you aren't playing today's games, period, and you'll never need PCIe.

The sooner they stop making AGP variants, the better. It'll cut down on the clutter in the already overcrowded graphics card retail space.

My friend, deny the fact that there are new AGP cards being made as we speak. As long as they are being made, they're alive and kicking. If there were no market for AGP, they wouldn't be making them. THEN it would be dead. Deny that. Now you tell me, who is really in denial here? ;)

Hey, you're entitled to your opinion as we all are. But anyone can see, there is still a market for AGP. I have 2 PCI-e systems, and 3 AGP systems that are pretty decent. All above 3GHz for the AGP systems. Technically, my household is still 60% AGP. ATI has the potential to sell me 3 of these 3850's. Will I? Probably not, in fact I only see one in my future. And one for my mothers computer. So in just my immediate family alone, we will buy two of these AGP 3850's. Now, think about the millions of PC users who still have AGP systems. I don't have census data to tell me the ratio, but I'd be willing to bet there are still more AGP systems out there than there are PCI-e. Eventually that will change of course, just as AGP replaced PCI.

Keep an open mind. You'll go further in.... well, whatever it is you do. :D
 

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why do people care if AGP dies or not? You all need to just keep it quiet if you don't like it.
 

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
My friend, deny the fact that there are new AGP cards being made as we speak. As long as they are being made, they're alive and kicking. If there were no market for AGP, they wouldn't be making them. THEN it would be dead. Deny that. Now you tell me, who is really in denial here? ;)


You're missing the point, and thus arguing the wrong point.

The point is not that there's a market for AGP cards. There's a market for ballerina costumes that you can put on your dog for halloween.

The point is that people buying both should know better.


Hey, you're entitled to your opinion as we all are. But anyone can see, there is still a market for AGP. I have 2 PCI-e systems, and 3 AGP systems that are pretty decent. All above 3GHz for the AGP systems. Technically, my household is still 60% AGP. ATI has the potential to sell me 3 of these 3850's. Will I? Probably not, in fact I only see one in my future. And one for my mothers computer. So in just my immediate family alone, we will buy two of these AGP 3850's. Now, think about the millions of PC users who still have AGP systems. I don't have census data to tell me the ratio, but I'd be willing to bet there are still more AGP systems out there than there are PCI-e. Eventually that will change of course, just as AGP replaced PCI.

Keep an open mind. You'll go further in.... well, whatever it is you do. :D


Of course there are probably more AGP systems than PCI-e. And it's holding back the rest of us, which is why we need to force these geriatrics to get a move on.

And this has nothing to do with open minds, for goodness sakes. I'm aware of all the things you point out. You're off topic again. I'll boil it down to an even more basic level: Screw AGP. It's not what I want.



Originally posted by: spittledip
why do people care if AGP dies or not? You all need to just keep it quiet if you don't like it.


It's a win-win. While it's hanging around by its fingernails, we get to be elitists and make fun of people still using it, and when it's finally kicked the bucket good and dead we can move on with advancing the tech again. Thus, the whole glorious cycle repeats.
 

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What's wrong with people having a s939 mobo, a opteron 180 or whatever dualcore CPU, oc-ed past 2.5ghz, wanting some decent GPU horsepower to tide them over for a little while longer ? I could easily see ppl use such a rig for rts/rpg like games, and it will even play plenty of shooters too. When they go for penryn or phenom they could pass that rig down, and it could still play plenty of games, and be used by kids, or used for playing against friends.

 

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
My friend, deny the fact that there are new AGP cards being made as we speak. As long as they are being made, they're alive and kicking. If there were no market for AGP, they wouldn't be making them. THEN it would be dead. Deny that. Now you tell me, who is really in denial here? ;)


You're missing the point, and thus arguing the wrong point.

The point is not that there's a market for AGP cards. There's a market for ballerina costumes that you can put on your dog for halloween.

The point is that people buying both should know better.


Hey, you're entitled to your opinion as we all are. But anyone can see, there is still a market for AGP. I have 2 PCI-e systems, and 3 AGP systems that are pretty decent. All above 3GHz for the AGP systems. Technically, my household is still 60% AGP. ATI has the potential to sell me 3 of these 3850's. Will I? Probably not, in fact I only see one in my future. And one for my mothers computer. So in just my immediate family alone, we will buy two of these AGP 3850's. Now, think about the millions of PC users who still have AGP systems. I don't have census data to tell me the ratio, but I'd be willing to bet there are still more AGP systems out there than there are PCI-e. Eventually that will change of course, just as AGP replaced PCI.

Keep an open mind. You'll go further in.... well, whatever it is you do. :D


Of course there are probably more AGP systems than PCI-e. And it's holding back the rest of us, which is why we need to force these geriatrics to get a move on.

And this has nothing to do with open minds, for goodness sakes. I'm aware of all the things you point out. You're off topic again. I'll boil it down to an even more basic level: Screw AGP. It's not what I want.



Originally posted by: spittledip
why do people care if AGP dies or not? You all need to just keep it quiet if you don't like it.


It's a win-win. While it's hanging around by its fingernails, we get to be elitists and make fun of people still using it, and when it's finally kicked the bucket good and dead we can move on with advancing the tech again. Thus, the whole glorious cycle repeats.

Exactly "how" is it holding you back from buying what you want? how is it preventing the market from moving forward? After all, we are up to PCI-e 2 already. I don't see AGP holding any sort of tech progress back. And there being a market for AGP is exactly ON TOPIC and exactly what we are talking about here. About how there are people who really appreciate this kind of offering such as the 3850 in AGP.

So, either talk about the 3850, or start your own thread about the death of AGP.
 

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
What's wrong with people having a s939 mobo, a opteron 180 or whatever dualcore CPU, oc-ed past 2.5ghz, wanting some decent GPU horsepower to tide them over for a little while longer ? I could easily see ppl use such a rig for rts/rpg like games, and it will even play plenty of shooters too. When they go for penryn or phenom they could pass that rig down, and it could still play plenty of games, and be used by kids, or used for playing against friends.

Absolutely nothing. Let me get a show of digital hands here. How many of you think that in the following system, a 3850AGP would offer, if not optimum, a decent improvement?

P4 2.8
1GB DDR
ASUS P4P800
GeForce 6600 128MB
 

ja1484

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Christ never mind. You lot are no fun at all.


It's holding us back because instead of still riding this PCI-e standard we could be making it obsolete and moving on. But no...gotta wait around for EVERYONE to get on the bandwagon before we can do that.
 

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I don't personally have any AGP systems, but I couldn't give a f*ck if AGP cards are still being made tbh.

And as for this holding us back crap... well, I just wish people would get rid of those old 939 cpu's so we can all move on to quad cores. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
What's wrong with people having a s939 mobo, a opteron 180 or whatever dualcore CPU, oc-ed past 2.5ghz, wanting some decent GPU horsepower to tide them over for a little while longer ? I could easily see ppl use such a rig for rts/rpg like games, and it will even play plenty of shooters too. When they go for penryn or phenom they could pass that rig down, and it could still play plenty of games, and be used by kids, or used for playing against friends.

Absolutely nothing. Let me get a show of digital hands here. How many of you think that in the following system, a 3850AGP would offer, if not optimum, a decent improvement?

P4 2.8
1GB DDR
ASUS P4P800
GeForce 6600 128MB

I don't really care one way or the other whether they keep making AGP cards, but that system will not even scratch the surface of leveraging the full power of a 3850, so it seems like a waste in my book. When you finally upgrade to a CPU that can use the power of the graphics card, your graphics card will be the wrong interface, so you'll have to buy a new one anyway. The card will ALWAYS be held back and never reach it's full potential, so why spend the cash on it?
 

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Originally posted by: Canterwood
And as for this holding us back crap... well, I just wish people would get rid of those old 939 cpu's so we can all move on to quad cores. ;)

F'realz.


....waitaminute...


Almost there (;)), but I'm not buying new obsolete stuff off the shelf.
 

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Absolutely nothing. Let me get a show of digital hands here. How many of you think that in the following system, a 3850AGP would offer, if not optimum, a decent improvement?

P4 2.8
1GB DDR
ASUS P4P800
GeForce 6600 128MB

I'd agree that you'd get a decent improvement. I'm one of those people who bought a S939 board based on an agp slot. I've got a A64 X2 4400+ with a 6600GT that died not so long ago =P So yea, the 3850 agp is indeed good news.

I've a 600W seasonic S12 PSU, so I don't believe I would need a new power supply. Often I hear that its cheaper to buy an entirely new system as opposed to a agp graphics card, and I really don't see how thats possible (assuming that you don't sell off your old parts, even if you did I doubt you'd get an equivalent high end PCIe system).



 

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Originally posted by: SexyK
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
What's wrong with people having a s939 mobo, a opteron 180 or whatever dualcore CPU, oc-ed past 2.5ghz, wanting some decent GPU horsepower to tide them over for a little while longer ? I could easily see ppl use such a rig for rts/rpg like games, and it will even play plenty of shooters too. When they go for penryn or phenom they could pass that rig down, and it could still play plenty of games, and be used by kids, or used for playing against friends.

Absolutely nothing. Let me get a show of digital hands here. How many of you think that in the following system, a 3850AGP would offer, if not optimum, a decent improvement?

P4 2.8
1GB DDR
ASUS P4P800
GeForce 6600 128MB

I don't really care one way or the other whether they keep making AGP cards, but that system will not even scratch the surface of leveraging the full power of a 3850, so it seems like a waste in my book. When you finally upgrade to a CPU that can use the power of the graphics card, your graphics card will be the wrong interface, so you'll have to buy a new one anyway. The card will ALWAYS be held back and never reach it's full potential, so why spend the cash on it?

Agreed. It's not optimum. But if you had to (and lets' assume you do), what would you rather spend your 200 bucks on? A 7900GS AGP or a 3850AGP?

Either way, there will be a significant improvement over a plain 6600 even though the full potential of the 3850 won't be realized. And that P4 could be o/c'd a fair bit as well. It's a good northy. Probably get it up to 3.3 without too much trouble.
 

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Christ never mind. You lot are no fun at all.


It's holding us back because instead of still riding this PCI-e standard we could be making it obsolete and moving on. But no...gotta wait around for EVERYONE to get on the bandwagon before we can do that.

how about dumping your old HW ... it isn't all that fast anymore
--you are holding the rest of us back :p
:confused:

your arguments are pretty weak ... AGP is no more holding back PCIe - now up to PCIe2 - then current [ancient] PCI video cards are holding anything back ... they are just catering to a market that won't upgrade *everything* yet. Yet they still want at least mid-range gaming performance without a lot of "work" and expense.

btw, PCIe is old news ... better upgrade again to 2 ... or else it's holding back progress to PCIe3
:roll:


 

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: SexyK
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
What's wrong with people having a s939 mobo, a opteron 180 or whatever dualcore CPU, oc-ed past 2.5ghz, wanting some decent GPU horsepower to tide them over for a little while longer ? I could easily see ppl use such a rig for rts/rpg like games, and it will even play plenty of shooters too. When they go for penryn or phenom they could pass that rig down, and it could still play plenty of games, and be used by kids, or used for playing against friends.

Absolutely nothing. Let me get a show of digital hands here. How many of you think that in the following system, a 3850AGP would offer, if not optimum, a decent improvement?

P4 2.8
1GB DDR
ASUS P4P800
GeForce 6600 128MB

I don't really care one way or the other whether they keep making AGP cards, but that system will not even scratch the surface of leveraging the full power of a 3850, so it seems like a waste in my book. When you finally upgrade to a CPU that can use the power of the graphics card, your graphics card will be the wrong interface, so you'll have to buy a new one anyway. The card will ALWAYS be held back and never reach it's full potential, so why spend the cash on it?

Agreed. It's not optimum. But if you had to (and lets' assume you do), what would you rather spend your 200 bucks on? A 7900GS AGP or a 3850AGP?

Either way, there will be a significant improvement over a plain 6600 even though the full potential of the 3850 won't be realized. And that P4 could be o/c'd a fair bit as well. It's a good northy. Probably get it up to 3.3 without too much trouble.

I'll agree with you there. If you are dead set on not doing a full system upgrade and the 3850 is priced comparatively with the 7900GS, might as well go for the 3850. Either way though, you're investing in something that will never reach its full potential. There will be a performance improvement though, so I could see it being "worth it" to some.
 

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ja1484
Christ never mind. You lot are no fun at all.


It's holding us back because instead of still riding this PCI-e standard we could be making it obsolete and moving on. But no...gotta wait around for EVERYONE to get on the bandwagon before we can do that.

how about dumping your old HW ... it isn't all that fast anymore
--you are holding the rest of us back :p
:confused:

your arguments are pretty weak ... AGP is no more holding back PCIe - now up to PCIe2 - then current [ancient] PCI video cards are holding anything back ... they are just catering to a market that won't upgrade *everything* yet. Yet they still want at least mid-range gaming performance without a lot of "work" and expense.

btw, PCIe is old news ... better upgrade again to 2 ... or else it's holding back progress to PCIe3
:roll:




Canterwood can stay. The rest of you...OUT!