Good interview with Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson

[bfdd]

What the OP and others keep forgetting (or ignoring) is that should a "3rd party candidate" somehow get elected to the White House, the political machines of the "2 main parties" would go into overdrive to make him look as bad as possible...and his term would end with absolutely NOTHING accomplished. That might be the only time the D's and R's worked together with a common goal.

Then let them come together and shut us down, we'll do more. Plus he'd be the perfect President for our current fucked House and Senate, vetoing most everything. They'd have to work together if they wanted anything to get his signature first go around and not be made to look like complete idiots in front of the American people.

 

[BoomerD]

Then let them come together and shut us down, we'll do more. Plus he'd be the perfect President for our current fucked House and Senate, vetoing most everything. They'd have to work together if they wanted anything to get his signature first go around and not be made to look like complete idiots in front of the American people.

There's more of them...and they have a better spin machine. The 3rd party president is the one who would come off looking like a complete idiot if he vetoed everything.

 

[bfdd]

There's more of them...and they have a better spin machine. The 3rd party president is the one who would come off looking like a complete idiot if he vetoed everything.

maybe, maybe not. lets vote for Johnson and find out. i highly doubt it's any worse the scenario that we'd see ourselves in if Romney gets elected or Obama re-elected. I say bring it on.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

As interesting as the thought would be bfdd, there isn't much doubt in my mind that a truly libertarian President would be a complete and utter disaster.

The world is simply too complicated to support simplistic dogmatic ideas.

 

[bfdd]

As interesting as the thought would be bfdd, there isn't much doubt in my mind that a truly libertarian President would be a complete and utter disaster.

The world is simply too complicated to support simplistic dogmatic ideas.

I think the world is simpler than people give it credit for and the human mind spends far to much time looking for patterns that don't exist. Then they want to prepare or change things to fit the perceived world they live in. Assuming so much and actually knowing so little. I believe we've over complicated the world due to our being afraid of change and the world leaving us behind. I think it's time to bring about simplification.

 

[Lemon law]

Why must I again be the voice in the wilderness crying bullshit. Lets face the facts, Gary Johnson as Governor Veto is simply playing the wrong song in a fibertarian ideal. He is no better than Mitt Romney and even more willing to take that other untried road to certain ruin.

As for Mitt Romney, he is nothing but a fraud with his ultra conservative ideals that only ultra the rich should get richer while 99.5% of the American people should get flushed down the toilet.

As for Obama, he may have had a few good ideas, but if a deadlocked congress will not implement them, we are still stuck in GWB failed policies. After that, Obama has been a giant disappointment. The guy has all the backbone of a chocolate eclair and just does not get either domestic or foreign policy.

No matter how we vote in 2012, America loses.

But whose fault is it? Shall we blame our politicians or our voters. I tend to more blame our voters, as we suck in to one after another politicians promise to restore America to the greatness we enjoyed in the 1960's, but when it takes political wisdom and good governance to improve our American prospects, our American voters would rather believe in the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, and above all Pixie dust.

Who said the road to hell was paved with good intentions? When the slide down the toilet is really greased by Pixie dust and fantasy.

 

[BoomerD]

maybe, maybe not. lets vote for Johnson and find out. i highly doubt it's any worse the scenario that we'd see ourselves in if Romney gets elected or Obama re-elected. I say bring it on.

I've been a Democrat since I started voting in 1972...but can't bring myself to vote for O'Bummer. Didn't vote for him last time, probably won't vote for him this time...but there's no fucking way I could vote for any candidate with (R) behind his/her name.
I may indeed vote for Johnson...just because he's not O'Bummer or Romney.

 

[bfdd]

I've been a Democrat since I started voting in 1972...but can't bring myself to vote for O'Bummer. Didn't vote for him last time, probably won't vote for him this time...but there's no fucking way I could vote for any candidate with (R) behind his/her name.
I may indeed vote for Johnson...just because he's not O'Bummer or Romney.

Help spread the word then.

 

[BoomerD]

Help spread the word then.

Unfortunately, I don't "support" him...he'll just get my vote because (hopefully) "he's not as bad as the other guys."

 

[bfdd]

Unfortunately, I don't "support" him...he'll just get my vote because (hopefully) "he's not as bad as the other guys."

Sounds like you support him then, you should help spread the word. Even if it's for your own cause of "not as bad as the other guys". Though I don't much think that's a good argument to vote for someone lol. I'd just abstain from voting then.

 

[xj0hnx]

As interesting as the thought would be bfdd, there isn't much doubt in my mind that a truly libertarian President would be a complete and utter disaster.

The world is simply too complicated to support simplistic dogmatic ideas.

Why must I again be the voice in the wilderness crying bullshit. Lets face the facts, Gary Johnson as Governor Veto is simply playing the wrong song in a fibertarian ideal. He is no better than Mitt Romney and even more willing to take that other untried road to certain ruin.

Bunch of bullshit. Democrats, and Republicans have fucked this place up almost to the point of no return, it's time to let someone else try.

 

[BoomerD]

Sounds like you support him then, you should help spread the word. Even if it's for your own cause of "not as bad as the other guys". Though I don't much think that's a good argument to vote for someone lol. I'd just abstain from voting then.

I'm of the opinion that if you abstain from voting, you forfeit the right to bitch...so, rather than vote for someone whom I dislike intensely, I'll throw away my vote on someone who hasn't the slightest chance of winning...but I'll still have done my duty and voted.

I wish we had a "None of the above" option.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Gary Johnson seems more pragmatic than your typical Libertarian. I don't agree with most variations of the so-called "Fair Tax", but he was a preferable alternative to most of the other Republican candidates.
Too bad he never got a fair shake in the debates. I should have liked more people to hear his take on the issues.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Bunch of bullshit. Democrats, and Republicans have fucked this place up almost to the point of no return, it's time to let someone else try.

Ah, the smell of hyperbole on an internet forum.

 

[Lemon law]

I've been a Democrat since I started voting in 1972...but can't bring myself to vote for O'Bummer. Didn't vote for him last time, probably won't vote for him this time...but there's no fucking way I could vote for any candidate with (R) behind his/her name.
I may indeed vote for Johnson...just because he's not O'Bummer or Romney.

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What a foolish and non thinking response IMHO. As you are basically saying, just because choice A or B sucks, choice C must be better. A non thinking response IMHO opinion, as a person who actually thinks. will choose the lesser of the all evils?

Only fools, assume if choice A or B sucks, choice C must be better. When choice C may be the worst of all possible options.

 

[Jaskalas]

Only fools, assume if choice A or B sucks, choice C must be better. When choice C may be the worst of all possible options.

A real conservative option. You've gotten too cozy with Neocons.

 

[BoomerD]

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What a foolish and non thinking response IMHO. As you are basically saying, just because choice A or B sucks, choice C must be better. A non thinking response IMHO opinion, as a person who actually thinks. will choose the lesser of the all evils?

Only fools, assume if choice A or B sucks, choice C must be better. When choice C may be the worst of all possible options.

Where did I say that choice C is better?
Voting for Candidate C is the closest thing to "none of the above" we have.

Opting to eat a turd sandwich because it somehow seems more palatable than a crap sandwich still gets you a mouthful of shit...Voting for a 3rd party candidate that won't possibly get elected is like opting for the dinner salad...fairly tasteless, not very appetizing, yet not likely to get you a mouth full of poo.

I, for one, am sick and tired of having to vote for the "lesser of two evils." There's something very wrong with a system that encourages you to "vote for the guy you hate less than the other guy."

 

[bradley]

A vote for McCain or Obama last time has the same effect of voting for Obama or Romney now. It is saddening to know that the majority of voters do not know this. We are destined to be ruled by the elite until the burden breaks the mules back.

Romney is playing his best McCain. And we know how that one ended. A vote for Robama is a vote for Obamney. duh

I only vote independent or third party to send a message. Otherwise my vote is a worthless exercise in futility.

 

[bfdd]

Where did I say that choice C is better?
Voting for Candidate C is the closest thing to "none of the above" we have.

Opting to eat a turd sandwich because it somehow seems more palatable than a crap sandwich still gets you a mouthful of shit...Voting for a 3rd party candidate that won't possibly get elected is like opting for the dinner salad...fairly tasteless, not very appetizing, yet not likely to get you a mouth full of poo.

I, for one, am sick and tired of having to vote for the "lesser of two evils." There's something very wrong with a system that encourages you to "vote for the guy you hate less than the other guy."

I've never voted for the lesser of the two evils, that never made sense to me. I'm glad more people are starting to think that way.

 

[cybrsage]

I wish we had a "None of the above" option.

I would like a "Not Candidate X" selection. The last few elections have had candidates which I did not want to vote for...but they all have had candidates I wanted to vote against...so I vote for the other candidate as a way of negating a vote for the one I do not want.

If I had a NOT selection, I could negate someone elses for vote without having to cast a for vote myself.

EDIT: If none of the candidates get 10% of total votes cast as FOR votes for them, they are removed from the ballot and another person added. The GOP and DNC conventions would have a first, second, and third place person so that if the first place is tossed out the second gets put in and another voting round is done.

 

[cybrsage]

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What a foolish and non thinking response IMHO. As you are basically saying, just because choice A or B sucks, choice C must be better. A non thinking response IMHO opinion, as a person who actually thinks. will choose the lesser of the all evils?

Only fools, assume if choice A or B sucks, choice C must be better. When choice C may be the worst of all possible options.

I agree. Choice A is to live with your broken arm. Choice B is to amputate it. Choice C must be better, right? Well Choice C is execution...

It is better to vote for one of the bad choices instead of tossing away your vote and hoping the worse of the two bad choices does not win. Risk redution is the key.

 

[xj0hnx]

Ah, the smell of hyperbole on an internet forum.

Ah, the smell of the same old bullshit on an internet forum.

 

[cybrsage]

Ah, the smell of hyperbole on an internet forum.

It is impossible to blame the third parties for the current mess...they have never had any real power. The only ones who can be blamed are the GOP and DNC.

 

[BoomerD]

It is impossible to blame the third parties for the current mess...they have never had any real power. The only ones who can be blamed are the GOP and DNC.

Agreed. BOTH major parties have allowed themselves to be taken over by the extremists in their party.

MOST Americans are far more centrist than the parties themselves. They may lean one way or the other, but are not far-left or far-right.
Why the fuck can't the parties recognize that and adapt?

Our political system is more about playing political games than it is about actually running the country.

 

[bfdd]

another article came out today, posting it in this thread

http://www.lvrj.com/news/libertaria...bama-romney-in-las-vegas-visit-162435246.html

What do you think of Obama?

I listened to Obama four years ago when he was running for office and he was saying some really favorable things about gay rights. I thought he said some very favorable things with regard to the war on drugs. I thought he said some very favorable things about American military involvement and our military interventions. (Now) he doubles down on Afghanistan. He's raiding medical marijuana facilities in California and Colorado when he said he wasn't going to do that. And then the whole marriage equality thing. He's just taken a cop out on that.