Good cooler for 4890?

[Eureka]

What's a good cooler that will fit the ATI 4890? I realized my card can perform much better when the temp is lower, but at 100% I can't hear myself think anymore.

Anything around the $30-40 range that will keep the heat down?

Also, I want something that redirects the heat out the back, using the extra slot.

And while on the topic, how do you up voltages on the card? I assume its safer with a better cooler?

 

[faxon]

if you already have the 4890 look at this cooler from arctic cooling http://www.arcticcooling.com/c...o.php?cPath=2_&mID=101

if you dont have it yet look into a sapphire Vapor-X edition 4890. the price will be ~$40 more than a stock 4890 but the cooler on it is nothing short of fantastic in and of itself. unfortunately it's also only manufactured by sapphire, so you're stuck with a 1 year limited warranty. i have never had any issues with sapphire cards though so i honestly wouldnt be as concerned, given how much easier it is to just pop the card in and have it work the way you want it vs having to change out the cooler before you can use it

 

[Eureka]

Originally posted by: faxon
if you already have the 4890 look at this cooler from arctic cooling http://www.arcticcooling.com/c...o.php?cPath=2_&mID=101

if you dont have it yet look into a sapphire Vapor-X edition 4890. the price will be ~$40 more than a stock 4890 but the cooler on it is nothing short of fantastic in and of itself. unfortunately it's also only manufactured by sapphire, so you're stuck with a 1 year limited warranty. i have never had any issues with sapphire cards though so i honestly wouldnt be as concerned, given how much easier it is to just pop the card in and have it work the way you want it vs having to change out the cooler before you can use it

I already have one, and this was before the Vapor cards came out.

I just looked that up on Newegg... they only have accelero for nvidia cards?

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: Eureka

Originally posted by: faxon
if you already have the 4890 look at this cooler from arctic cooling http://www.arcticcooling.com/c...o.php?cPath=2_&mID=101

if you dont have it yet look into a sapphire Vapor-X edition 4890. the price will be ~$40 more than a stock 4890 but the cooler on it is nothing short of fantastic in and of itself. unfortunately it's also only manufactured by sapphire, so you're stuck with a 1 year limited warranty. i have never had any issues with sapphire cards though so i honestly wouldnt be as concerned, given how much easier it is to just pop the card in and have it work the way you want it vs having to change out the cooler before you can use it

I already have one, and this was before the Vapor cards came out.

I just looked that up on Newegg... they only have accelero for nvidia cards?

The Accelero s1 rev 2 fits 4870's, which I'm pretty sure (someone correct me if I'm wrong) would have no reason not to fit 4890. And it's a damn good performer too. Mine keeps my 9800gt in the low 40s while gaming

 

[Munky]

The 4890 isn't going to perform noticeably faster with better air cooling. Don't know why you'd need to run it at 100% fan speed - I have mine at 920mhz with the default fan profile, and that's not even pushing it.

As for upping the voltage - no, better cooling does not make it safer. It may keep the temps in check, but overvoltage can kill your card even with low temps.

 

[Eureka]

Originally posted by: munky
The 4890 isn't going to perform noticeably faster with better air cooling. Don't know why you'd need to run it at 100% fan speed - I have mine at 920mhz with the default fan profile, and that's not even pushing it.

As for upping the voltage - no, better cooling does not make it safer. It may keep the temps in check, but overvoltage can kill your card even with low temps.

Well I'm running the fan high to keep the temps in check, I prefer to keep the temps in the 60s range. At 80-100% fan it actually keeps it in the low 60s at load.

And I'm only upping the voltage as little as possible, in order to increase stability. Right now I have it at 1.4v (from stock 1.31), and it's running 1000/1175 relatively stably. I'm not sure how much heat that translate into.

Now I assume that temperature is related most to voltage and not clock speed? Or does clock speed also somehow translate into higher temperatures, even at stock voltage?

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: Eureka

Well I'm running the fan high to keep the temps in check, I prefer to keep the temps in the 60s range. At 80-100% fan it actually keeps it in the low 60s at load.

Why do you want 60 C, when the card is doing perfectly fine at 80C? You aren't extending its life by much, you now. And even if you are, I don't think that card will last for years in your system.

Originally posted by: Eureka
And I'm only upping the voltage as little as possible, in order to increase stability. Right now I have it at 1.4v (from stock 1.31), and it's running 1000/1175 relatively stably. I'm not sure how much heat that translate into.

Over 200 Watts of heat. That is something.

In my opinion, the stock cooler is great. Sure, you'll probably manage to squeeze more out of your card, with a better one, but you are now dumping the heat outside of your case and 200 W spilled inside, would really heat up everything else, with an aftermarket cooler. Your X2 will probably boil.

Accelero S1 ( Twin turbo ) is a great cooler, but it has some problems with 4870 cards, in the way that the power regulators aren't well cooled, using the supplied heatsinks and I don't think there is any aftermarket heatsink made specifically for 4890 VRM area that you can buy right now. And I have the impression, judging by the stock heatsink layout, that the 4890 VRMs , gets hotter then those of the 4870, so it will probably be an even greater challenge to cool them down, then it was with the 4870.

 

[Eureka]

Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: Eureka

Well I'm running the fan high to keep the temps in check, I prefer to keep the temps in the 60s range. At 80-100% fan it actually keeps it in the low 60s at load.

Why do you want 60 C, when the card is doing perfectly fine at 80C? You aren't extending its life by much, you now. And even if you are, I don't think that card will last for years in your system.

Originally posted by: Eureka
And I'm only upping the voltage as little as possible, in order to increase stability. Right now I have it at 1.4v (from stock 1.31), and it's running 1000/1175 relatively stably. I'm not sure how much heat that translate into.

Over 200 Watts of heat. That is something.

In my opinion, the stock cooler is great. Sure, you'll probably manage to squeeze more out of your card, with a better one, but you are now dumping the heat outside of your case and 200 W spilled inside, would really heat up everything else, with an aftermarket cooler. Your X2 will probably boil.

Accelero S1 ( Twin turbo ) is a great cooler, but it has some problems with 4870 cards, in the way that the power regulators aren't well cooled, using the supplied heatsinks and I don't think there is any aftermarket heatsink made specifically for 4890 VRM area that you can buy right now. And I have the impression, judging by the stock heatsink layout, that the 4890 VRMs , gets hotter then those of the 4870, so it will probably be an even greater challenge to cool them down, then it was with the 4870.

I'll probably play with the fan settings to achieve a quieter fan profile then. It was mainly the noise bugging me, anything above 50% was getting loud.

And I thought the Acclero Twin Turbo dumped the heat out of the machine through the PCI slot. Are you saying that it will pool up instead?

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: Eureka


And I thought the Acclero Twin Turbo dumped the heat out of the machine through the PCI slot. Are you saying that it will pool up instead?

No, most of the heat will go upwards, since hot air is less dense and tends to rise. If you also have a tower cooler on your cpu, that will suck most of the hot air coming from the card and you'll have your CPU cooled by very warm air. That might or might not mean something for your cpu overclock, but for sure, your cpu will run hotter then it runs now.

 

[Eureka]

Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: Eureka


And I thought the Acclero Twin Turbo dumped the heat out of the machine through the PCI slot. Are you saying that it will pool up instead?

No, most of the heat will go upwards, since hot air is less dense and tends to rise. If you also have a tower cooler on your cpu, that will suck most of the hot air coming from the card and you'll have your CPU cooled by very warm air. That might or might not mean something for your cpu overclock, but for sure, your cpu will run hotter then it runs now.

Why are these coolers so popular then? It seems to cause more problems than it fixes. You'd think they'd port it out the exhaust, as well.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: Eureka
Why are these coolers so popular then?

Noise reduction is a big one, at least for me. Superior cooling with minimal noise.

If you have fan holes on the top side of your case like I do, the issue with hot air building up inside the case is pretty negligible. There was a few degree difference in CPU temps over a rear exhausting cooler though, last time I checked (which would have been about a year ago..).

 

[Eureka]

I have 2x 120mm exhausting air on the top of my case (CM690). I notice you have a 4870, do you use a custom cooler?

I should also check the positioning of the side fans, one of them might be able to be used as an exhaust for the VGA, if I ever go down that route. However, the stock cooler is pretty amazing, just too noisy.

 

[AmberClad]

Heh, sorry about not being more explicit the first time -- I actually use the Accelero S1 Rev 2 on it, with two 120mm fans cable tied to the Accelero. One fan is actually enough, but two side-by-side provides better airflow to my Thermalright northbridge cooler.

I don't have any fans installed on the case side panel. One of the two side panel fan mounts is directly over the expansion slot area, and the AC S1 R2 might actually be too tall to allow a case fan to be installed on that side fan mount. I put a fan filter over it, and it's pretty clogged with dust at this point from the Accelero using the fan hole as an intake.

 

[apoppin]

No side case fan?

My CPU cooler is SO tall i put the fan on the outside of my case
:Q

i am getting a new case *this* week

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: apoppin


My CPU cooler is SO tall i put the fan on the outside of my case
:Q

What's the name of that narrow case you have?

 

[apoppin]

An oldie

Aspire X-gamer - i can just fit the side panel on over my Thermalright cooler
-hence the case fan on the outside of the case

ghetto; but it works fine for everything but Tri-Fire
[where the side case panel is off]

i am getting this one for a budget AMD build i am reviewing
Elite 310 (RC-310

better

 

[Eureka]

Originally posted by: apoppin
An oldie

Aspire X-gamer - i can just fit the side panel on over my Thermalright cooler
-hence the case fan on the outside of the case

ghetto; but it works fine for everything but Tri-Fire
[where the side case panel is off]

i am getting this one for a budget AMD build i am reviewing
Elite 310 (RC-310

better

For such a nice system you should pamper your components with a nice aluminum case!

I have an Aspire case and I hate that thing!

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: apoppin


My CPU cooler is SO tall i put the fan on the outside of my case
:Q

What's the name of that narrow case you have?

Narrow? I have a pretty standard sized mid tower (CM590 with a width of 8.27"), and the tips of the pipes on my S1283 are about a millimeter away from scraping against my side panel. Coolers have gotten ridiculous lately...

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
Coolers have gotten ridiculous lately...

Yeah, trying to keep up with the space heaters called CPUs.

 

[Candymancan21]

Originally posted by: yh125d

Originally posted by: Eureka

Originally posted by: faxon
if you already have the 4890 look at this cooler from arctic cooling http://www.arcticcooling.com/c...o.php?cPath=2_&mID=101

if you dont have it yet look into a sapphire Vapor-X edition 4890. the price will be ~$40 more than a stock 4890 but the cooler on it is nothing short of fantastic in and of itself. unfortunately it's also only manufactured by sapphire, so you're stuck with a 1 year limited warranty. i have never had any issues with sapphire cards though so i honestly wouldnt be as concerned, given how much easier it is to just pop the card in and have it work the way you want it vs having to change out the cooler before you can use it

I already have one, and this was before the Vapor cards came out.

I just looked that up on Newegg... they only have accelero for nvidia cards?

The Accelero s1 rev 2 fits 4870's, which I'm pretty sure (someone correct me if I'm wrong) would have no reason not to fit 4890. And it's a damn good performer too. Mine keeps my 9800gt in the low 40s while gaming

The 4890's are differant fits then the 4870, the power layout was changed. Even if it fit the 4890's core i doubt it would cool the vrm's. The size cpu heatsinks and video card heatsinks are getting outa hand nowadays. If i ever buy a new heatsink for my 4890 it would be a waterblock. The only thing thats big on watercooling is the radiator and even then its still smaller then most of these 10 pound cpu and gpu coolers im see'ing. The thing i hate about the stock fan is at 80c core-94c VRM's thats almost to the point of boiling water, its just to hot. I have a pair of noise cancelling headphones from bose and even then i still wouldnt use 100% fan speed the noise is just stupid. If someone walks in my room and says HI i would be like WHAAAAT ? The only game i honestly have to overclock the card in is Crysis. I get 3 more fps going from 900/1000 to 950/1100 lol and 3 fps helps alot in that game heh.

Iv almost considered to pop my 4850 in and use it for crossfire just in crysis because i get about 6more fps vs my 4890 alone, but i already beat crysis and im more then half way dont with warhead so there would be no point in that.

As for people worrying about heat "pooling" in your system, unless you have some really crappy case with no ventaltion why would you worry about a heatsink that blows heat in the case ?

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: Candymancan21
The 4890's are differant fits then the 4870, the power layout was changed. Even if it fit the 4890's core i doubt it would cool the vrm's. The size cpu heatsinks and video card heatsinks are getting outa hand nowadays. If i ever buy a new heatsinks for my 4890 it would be a waterblock. The only thing thats big on watercooling is the radiator and even then its still smaller then most of these 10 pound cpu and gpu coolers im see'ing.

It doesn't fit the 4870's VRMs either. I bought some cheap ramsinks to stick on there.

To be really accurate, the AC S1 R2 does come with this long thin additional heatsink that might be a VRM heatsink intended for earlier cards. But unless you use thermal epoxy, the screw holes won't line up and it won't fit.

 

[Candymancan21]

Yea i wouldnt be confortable to put ramsinks on the 4890. The VRM's get ALOT warmer then the 4870's do. I saw a thread where a guy put some ramsinks on the 4890 VRM's and he was getting 120c for the temps. lol

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: AmberClad


To be really accurate, the AC S1 R2 does come with this long thin additional heatsink that might be a VRM heatsink intended for earlier cards. But unless you use thermal epoxy, the screw holes won't line up and it won't fit.

I used that on mine, strapped it with 2 zip ties and used some thermal stickers to keep it on. It fail to cool those stupid chips. It got to 95 C or something, in just 30 seconds of ATi tool.
Picture link

 

[Candymancan21]

I hate using ramsinks like that. Iv had some pretty bad things happen to memory on my cards with those.... lol. If you get 95c then i would imagine id be at like 130c or something stupid like that

 

[thilanliyan]

The stock plate is very thin. Can't you guys leave the stock plate on and just attach the GPU cooler (like I did with my GPU block)?

Like this but without the fan? The fan on your GPU cooler would presumably be blowing down and cooling the plate too?
http://i53.photobucket.com/alb.../thilan29/P1150041.jpg