Gonna go buy a Honda Element today.

rayray2

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Black 4WD EX.

The sticker price is $20,251. I've heard they have no problem selling them at MSRP, so I don't think they'll come down much. What do you think I should try and get it for? $19,500 + TT&L?

Oh, and I'm well aware that a lot of you guys think it's ugly, but that doesn't bother me. I love it! You gotta admit though, the Black one is the best looking one of the bunch....or should I say least ugly! :)
 

Storm

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I really think the two-tone styling is hideous. But hey if you like more power to you.
 

aphex

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I hope your taste in women is better than your taste in cars.
 

pyonir

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good for you. I'd rather ride a bike with the seat off than get one of those...but good for you.
 

Vortex22

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Someone had a brand new orange one parked in the front of the lot at school today.
Everyone was staring at it and looking in the windows as they walked by.

Suicide doors rock.
 

rayray2

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Originally posted by: Storm
I really think the two-tone styling is hideous. But hey if you like more power to you.

That's why I'm going with the black one! The contrast in the two-tones isn't near as noticable. It kind of blends in.
 

cjchaps

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You might want to go into the dealership with more knowledge, because it appears to me that you haven't researched your options yet. You should find out about these things before you buy this car:

1)What APR you can expect to get
2)Any discounts you might qualify for
3)The invoice price plus destination price of the car
4)What options you want, and how much they cost
5)VISIT A CAR BUYING WEBSITE!

If you go into the dealer just saying you want this car for that price, they will bend you over and give it to ya up the butt.

Good luck
:D
 

fastz28

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Don't worry about what people say, especially here. If you like it, buy it. Have fun. :)
 

rayray2

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Originally posted by: Vortex22
Suicide doors rock.

Suicide Doors? You mean because there's no B-pillar? Obviously, you haven't done your homework. They are highly reinforced. Honda isn't dumb.

 

Aves

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Originally posted by: rayray2
Originally posted by: Vortex22
Suicide doors rock.

Suicide Doors? You mean because there's no B-pillar? Obviously, you haven't done your homework. They are highly reinforced. Honda isn't dumb.
That's just what they are called.

 

Jzero

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I freaking love them. I envy you. Give me a year or 2 and I'm going to get an orange EX 4WD with a 5-speed! I figure I should give them at least a year to work out some kinks, and I just bought my Civic last year :(
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: rayray2
Originally posted by: Vortex22
Suicide doors rock.

Suicide Doors? You mean because there's no B-pillar? Obviously, you haven't done your homework. They are highly reinforced. Honda isn't dumb.

Suicide doors are doors that open the opposite way of "normal" doors - ie the opening is towards the direction of travel.

To open them it would appear that you have to open the front doors first, so it's not nearly so bad.

And yes, I'm sure it is quite well re-inforced.

Viper GTS
 

Jzero

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To open them it would appear that you have to open the front doors first, so it's not nearly so bad.
They're no different than similar doors on extended cab pickups and conversion vans. They got the nickname because in the early days of automobiles, if one popped open while you were moving, trying to close it without pulling over would be suicidal.

Actually, that's one of 3 or 4 legends about how they got that name...


 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: Jzero
To open them it would appear that you have to open the front doors first, so it's not nearly so bad.
They're no different than similar doors on extended cab pickups and conversion vans. They got the nickname because in the early days of automobiles, if one popped open while you were moving, trying to close it without pulling over would be suicidal.

Actually, that's one of 3 or 4 legends about how they got that name...

That was my impression from seeing pics, though I hadn't actually seen one up close (seen them in the dealerships, but haven't stopped to look).

I would imagine it somewhat annoying to have to open the front doors to get to the rear seats.

Viper GTS
 

Jzero

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I would imagine it somewhat annoying to have to open the front doors to get to the rear seats. Viper GTS

That could be. Right now I have a 2 door, so I have to open the front door anyway :D
 

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I was looking at hondas a couple weeks ago and I saw one of these on the lot. At the time, I said the following exactly: "I find it impossible to believe that there is a human alive who would purchase one of these". Thank you for making the impossible possible.

Atvar
 

Eli

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Cool :) A wise decision.

I think they look just fine.
 

BigSmooth

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Is this your first new car? If so, congrats, it's a gratifying experience buying your first car (assuming you're paying for it). :)

I don't care for the Element myself, although black does look better than other colors. It's underpowered IMO, but the price is right.
 

cyclistca

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I think they rock however I'm going to wait until the fall. I figure by then Honda will be giving them away. Right now the prices are going to be to high.
 

Jzero

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"I find it impossible to believe that there is a human alive who would purchase one of these". Thank you for making the impossible possible. Atvar

Good thing you're not in marketing. Basically a bunch of marketing trolls over at Honda got together and said "Let's see if we can make a car that appeals to under-25 males. In particular, outdoorsy types and hippie types. They then gather a whole bunch of market research, come up with something like the Element, and start a huge advertising campaign rife with pictures of car driving on beaches, in snow, in the middle of a drum circle, etc.

They made this car because they knew that there was a specific group of people who would buy it. In fact, I'm bitter about liking this car because I like to think I'm above all that targetted marketing BS, but as a 23-year-old male kayaker, I fell for this one hook, line and sinker. In my defense, though, it wasn't because of the advertising. I saw one picture of it, and I was hooked.

The idea of being able to throw my kayak in the back of my car, drive onto the beach, throw it in the water, surf all day, and then throw the yak right back in the car and drive home is worth a fortune. No more dragging the boat through the dunes on homemade dolly. No more fiddling with rusty straps. No more worrying about getting sand and brine all over the upholstry. Oh, and I can lock all my crap in the car and secure it in my boat - don't have to worry about anyone nicking my beach bag while I'm gone.

Sure, I could do this in any SUV. But not for under $25k, not in such a compact package, not with the neoprene seats and the unupholstered floor, etc. Oh, and not from Honda :)