Golf Rules - how to deal with ground under repair

spidey07

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Was playing friendly match play and my friend/opponent hit into clearly marked ground under repair. It was part of the fairway. He didn't really know what to do so I told him - drop anywhere, no closer to the hole, without penalty.

It didn't make sense to force him to play it like a hazard and stay on the line as his ball entered the ground under repair.

What's the official way to deal with this?
 

manlymatt83

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Originally posted by: se7en
You should have dueled him to the death.

Yep, and you should have brought him to the Boston Common and called up the Governor so it would have been legal...

 

Epic Fail

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25-1. Abnormal Ground Conditions
? a. Interference
Interference by an abnormal ground conditions occurs when a ball lies in or touches the condition or when the condition interferes with the player?s stance or the area of his intended swing. If the player?s ball lies on the putting green, interference also occurs if an abnormal ground condition on the putting green intervenes on his line of putt.
Otherwise, intervention on the line of play is not, of itself, interference under this Rule.

Note: The Committee may make a Local Rule denying the player relief from interference with his stance by an abnormal ground condition.

? b. Relief
Except when the ball is in a water hazard or a lateral water hazard, a player may take relief from interference by an abnormal ground condition as follows:

(i) Through the Green: If the ball lies through the green, the player must lift the ball and drop it without penalty within one club-length of and not nearer the hole than the nearest point of relief. The nearest point of relief must not be in a hazard or on a putting green. When the ball is dropped within one club-length of the nearest point of relief, the ball must first strike a part of the course at a spot that avoids interference by the condition and is not in a hazard and not on a putting green.
(ii) In a Bunker: If the ball is in a bunker, the player must lift the ball and drop it either:
(a) Without penalty, in accordance with Clause (i) above, except that the nearest point of relief must be in the bunker and the ball must be dropped in the bunker, or if complete relief is impossible, as near as possible to the spot where the ball lay, but not nearer the hole, on a part of the course in the bunker that affords maximum available relief from the condition; or
(b) Under penalty of one stroke, outside the bunker, keeping the point where the ball lay directly between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far behind the bunker the ball may be dropped.
(iii) On the Putting Green: If the ball lies on the putting green, the player must lift the ball and place it without penalty at the nearest point of relief that is not in a hazard, or if complete relief is impossible, at the nearest position to where it lay that affords maximum available relief from the condition, but not nearer the hole and not in a hazard. The nearest point of relief or maximum available relief may be off the putting green.
(iv) On the Teeing Ground: If the ball lies on the teeing ground, the player must lift the ball and drop it without penalty in accordance with Clause (i) above.

The ball may be cleaned when lifted under Rule 25-1b.

(Ball rolling to a position where there is interference by the condition from which relief was taken ? see Rule 20-2c(v).)

Exception: A player may not take relief under this Rule if (a) it is clearly unreasonable for him to make a stroke because of interference by anything other than an abnormal ground condition or (b) interference by an abnormal ground condition would occur only through use of an unnecessarily abnormal stance, swing or direction of play.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Simplified:

He's not obligated to drop. He can elect to play the ball as it lies.

If he chooses to take relief he must determine the nearest point that takes full relief from the GIR area and is no closer to the hole. He then gets one clublength from that spot and drops without penalty.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Simplified:

He's not obligated to drop. He can elect to play the ball as it lies.

If he chooses to take relief he must determine the nearest point that takes full relief from the GIR area and is no closer to the hole. He then gets one clublength from that spot and drops without penalty.

So he can take relief (if chosen, but we didn't want to mess this as they were seeding) anywhere outside of the GIR, no closer to the hole.

So..

1) Mark relief, nearest to the GIR.
2) Get one clublength from this spot, drop, no penalty?

That's effectively how it was played on 18 all square, he parred, I bogied. :(
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Yep. You proceeded in the correct manner.

I'm surprised you're not getting on me for telling him what to do in match play, or that he asked me. Every advantage counts.
;)
 

GagHalfrunt

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You are entitled to discuss rules in match play. You're not allowed to discuss things like what club you hit, how much the wind is affecting a shot, which way a putt breaks, etc. Talking about things that are "common knowledge" like rules, the length of the hole, the location of the flag and things of that nature is allowed. You SHOULD help the guy out in that situation if he doesn't know how to proceed. It's a gentleman's game and it should be won on lost on the course, not one player failing to understand simple rules.

That being said, you both need to bone up on the rules a bit. Taking relief from GUR is golf 101. It's one of the first things you learn and it's among the simplest to apply correctly. It shouldn't have caused either of you any problems. He should have known what to do if he was playing in his sleep.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: waggy
shrugh. if its a friendly match do whatever seems fair.

By "friendly" I mean there's money involved.

And in golf, just like any other game, there are rules involved.

GagHalfRunt, you're right. We normally just play it where it lies if not OB or hazard, but situations come up. And in certain situations the rules can be in the players favor.

I remember hitting a powerline once and proceeded to re-tee the ball, without penalty. But my opponent didn't like that.