Going from Athlon XP 2800+ to P4 2.4C -- Question

[Wintrmte]

First off, I'm planning on overclocking the 2.4C to, I hope, 3.0ghz -- Is this going to be worth it, coming from the XP2800+ ?

Here's what I've ordered, I'm hoping this will do the trick to get me to at least 3.0ghz:

o Intel Pentium 4/ 2.4C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - OEM

o ABIT IC7, Intel 875P chipset for Socket 478 P4 Canterwood ATX Motherboard

o 2 sticks of Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-3500 with Heat Spreader - OEM

o Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu Pure Copper CPU Cooler for AMD XP Socket 462,754 and Intel Socket 478


Any thoughts? Will I be able to acheive 3.0ghz or more with this setup?

Thx

 

[dguy6789]

First off, the 2800+ is faster then the 2.4C, so unless you cant overclock the 2800, there is no reason to go, second, i can bet you money in games without looking at an fps counter, you could not tell the diff between an athlon xp 1600 and a 3.2EE p4. I rest my case.

 

[Mikewarrior2]

Anandtech P4Cs versus AthlonXp Bench's

Really? The 2800+ is faster than a 2.4C? I see otherwise.

And if he can overclock the P4 to 3.0, it will be a very noticable difference in framerate, one that you can notice... ~200 versus ~160 in the above provided link.

While the P4 is significantly more costly than the AMD setup, you can't really say the 2800+ is faster than 2.4C on a regular basis. More often than not in that particular anandtech review, the 2.4C is faster or equal to a 3200+.


mike

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Mikewarrior2
Anandtech P4Cs versus AthlonXp Bench's

Really? The 2800+ is faster than a 2.4C? I see otherwise.

And if he can overclock the P4 to 3.0, it will be a very noticable difference in framerate, one that you can notice... ~200 versus ~160 in the above provided link.

While the P4 is significantly more costly than the AMD setup, you can't really say the 2800+ is faster than 2.4C on a regular basis. More often than not in that particular anandtech review, the 2.4C is faster or equal to a 3200+.


mike

im some of the other benchmarks the 2.4C loses to the 2800

 

[dguy6789]

It depends on the benchmarks done, look at multiple reviews and on average the 2800 is faster.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
It depends on the benchmarks done, look at multiple reviews and on average the 2800 is faster.

plus the 2800 is cheaper.

 

[Mikewarrior2]

Not that much more expensive... Prices taken from newegg:

$145 for a 2800+ retail
$171 for a 2.4C retail

Now if you look at the anandtech review, I also said "more often than not, the 2.4C is faster". In fact, there are a total of 11 total benchmark results, the 2.4C is faster than the 2800+ in 8 of the 11 tests... including several game benchmarks.

So, is $26 that big of a price difference? no, not really. Is the 2.4C, as i said in my first post more often than not faster than the 2800+, yes.

If you look at it objectively, the price difference is minimal, and hte performance is close, but does indeed favor the 2.4C. Bear in mind this is verus a 2.4C. The 2800+ competes much more favorably against a 2.4B or 2.4A. And yes, different programs will bench differently, but in terms of performance, the 2800+ and 2.4C are very close, boht in cost and performance. it isn't a bad trade if one is looking to take advantage of hyperthreading and wants to overclock the p4.


Mike

 

[Wintrmte]

Cool, so given the gear that I posted above, would I run into any problems OC'ing the 2.4 by changing the bus speed? I tried to get the best memory, and somewhat skimped on the motherboard. :|

 

[Mikewarrior2]

I dunno as far as o/cing it.. you should be fine, the iC-7 should work okay... my is-7 is on its way from newegg, so i have no personal "building" experience with p4c chips yet (have installed plenty of dells though ).

And for note, i currently run an nf7-s and a thorton-modded into a barton, for anyone who wants to think i'm an intel zealot


mike

 

[nimo]

You shelled out nearly 500$ for your upgrade

Unless you had crappy pc2700 with your 2800+ and a MB with 333Mhz max
It's a waste of perfectly good cash.

2.4@ 3.0Ghz will be faster than 2800+, yes
will it be that much faster to warrant 500$ upgrade , no

 

[lxie123]

Here's a better look at average performance vs 2.4 vs. 2800+.

These guys ran 19 benchies, tabulated, and normalized the results.
hdzone

These results along with similar results on other well known review sites like sharky extreme, hardocp... all backup the fact that "with the arrival of the P4 'C' processors, intel put the nail on the athlon xp coffin" of course amd struck back with the athlon 64 fx that kicks a mucho arse.

 

[lxie123]

Originally posted by: nimo
You shelled out nearly 500$ for your upgrade

Unless you had crappy pc2700 with your 2800+ and a MB with 333Mhz max
It's a waste of perfectly good cash.

2.4@ 3.0Ghz will be faster than 2800+, yes
will it be that much faster to warrant 500$ upgrade , no

Who knows, he could of sold his old 2800+ for like 400$ maybe?

Before i got the pc in my sig, i sold my old comp p4 1.8A with 512 rdram, and i850 board for 475.... i threw in my old geforce 1 video card and cd-rom and 15 gig hard drive, but those were like no value to me.

 

[orion7144]

Originally posted by: lxie123
Here's a better look at average performance vs 2.4 vs. 2800+.

These guys ran 19 benchies, tabulated, and normalized the results.
hdzone

These results along with similar results on other well known review sites like sharky extreme, hardocp... all backup the fact that "with the arrival of the P4 'C' processors, intel put the nail on the athlon xp coffin" of course amd struck back with the athlon 64 fx that kicks a mucho arse.

Every time this disscussion comes up we get the AMD fanboys (I can say that since I used to be one) to crawl out of the woodwork. If they can't see that the P4C's are in fact a very fast processor compared to the Athlons then they must have blinders on. Now take those same test setups and run multiple applications at the same time and the performance gain by going to the HT enable P4's is even greater.

 

[sugarkang]

why not sell the 2800 in exchange for a 2500 and OC that to a 3200+
discussion over!

 

[sandorski]

nimo makes a good point. Should at least attempt overclocking the 2800 first, if it reaches 3200 speeds, then the 2.4c would make little to no difference.

 

[Johnbear007]

Why do people buy the 2800+?


My 2500+ is currently rock solid on air cooling at 2.4GHZ id like to see a 2.4c (stock) beat that. Thats 200mhz above a 3200+ for 89$

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: orion7144

Originally posted by: lxie123
Here's a better look at average performance vs 2.4 vs. 2800+.

These guys ran 19 benchies, tabulated, and normalized the results.
hdzone

These results along with similar results on other well known review sites like sharky extreme, hardocp... all backup the fact that "with the arrival of the P4 'C' processors, intel put the nail on the athlon xp coffin" of course amd struck back with the athlon 64 fx that kicks a mucho arse.

Every time this disscussion comes up we get the AMD fanboys (I can say that since I used to be one) to crawl out of the woodwork. If they can't see that the P4C's are in fact a very fast processor compared to the Athlons then they must have blinders on. Now take those same test setups and run multiple applications at the same time and the performance gain by going to the HT enable P4's is even greater.

I dont think anyone is arguing that the P4 is faster, especially stock

Hoewever when I can get 2.4 GHZ on my barton on air for 89$ why would I get a p4 2.4? Im just saying that price/performance ratio the barton is king

If I had money spewing out of my butt i'd have a P4 though.

 

[Mikewarrior2]

well, you can't compare stock p4C versus an o/ced cpu that you own. As any enthusiast would, they would likely overclock both.


Mike

 

[Megatomic]

Johnbear007, the percentage of computer users who are overclockers is pretty small. Here at AT and other enthusiast sites this is not the case, and the percentage of computer users represented by the member of enthusiast forums is small also.

Many buy the 2800+ because it is faster than a 2500+ and cheaper than a 3200+.

That said, a look at my sig will reveal the type of computer user that I am. I love to OC.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Johnbear007, the percentage of computer users who are overclockers is pretty small. Here at AT and other enthusiast sites this is not the case, and the percentage of computer users represented by the member of enthusiast forums is small also.

Many buy the 2800+ because it is faster than a 2500+ and cheaper than a 3200+.

That said, a look at my sig will reveal the type of computer user that I am. I love to OC.

I suppose I dont understand why everyone doesnt OC. Its so easy

 

[orion7144]

Originally posted by: Johnbear007

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Johnbear007, the percentage of computer users who are overclockers is pretty small. Here at AT and other enthusiast sites this is not the case, and the percentage of computer users represented by the member of enthusiast forums is small also.

Many buy the 2800+ because it is faster than a 2500+ and cheaper than a 3200+.

That said, a look at my sig will reveal the type of computer user that I am. I love to OC.

I suppose I dont understand why everyone doesnt OC. Its so easy

They buy Dell's

 

[VIAN]

I'll tell you why I don't overclock.

It's not worth sacrificing high stability, low temperature, and low noise for some small boost of speed that I won't notice. I've overclocked before and didn't really notice any improvement that was that spectacular to bother with. I had 199 FSB x 11 with ram timings 3,3,2,2C. From 166 FSB x 13 with ram timings 6,4,4,2.5C.

 

[blackhawk]

Thats a strange and very expensive change in processor/peripherals for a possibly small increase in performance.

If you overclock the 2.4, why not overclock the 2800? My 2800 does 3200 speeds without any special tricks.

You're spending a lot of money to change to a different brand with very little differance I think.

 

[adams828]

Originally posted by: Wintrmte
First off, I'm planning on overclocking the 2.4C to, I hope, 3.0ghz -- Is this going to be worth it, coming from the XP2800+ ?

Well it depends on what you value. Yes, the 2.4C will be faster, especially overclocked.

But, many people (myself included), value price/performance over straight performance. So in terms of worth, you have to ask yourself if the speed increase is worth the what, ~$400+ for the 2.4C setup.

Personally, I'd say there's not enough difference (OCed or not) to make it worth $400. But maybe that's why I still have a 1.2 T-bird If the extra speed makes you happy, then be happy with it.

 

[Shimmishim]

okay...

Will I be able to acheive 3.0ghz or more with this setup?


To answer your question: YES! you should be able to hit 3.0 ghz. The only issue you'll have is that you'll have to use the 5:4 divider at 250 mhz fsb because MOST pc3500 ram cannot hit 250 mhz using 1:1.

And no! you did not "skimp" on the board. The IC7 series is a great series of boards! I have one and I've been able to run my chip a few mhz faster than on someone elses p4c800-e.

Is this going to be worth it, coming from the XP2800+

I think that's all relative. That's your own opinion.