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God would be an atheist

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jackschmittusa

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Religion fosters bad behavior

I found the correlations and conclusions in this piece to be interesting, if not enlightening. There have been myriad threads here that included elements addressed in it.

Drawing on a wide range of studies to cross-match faith ? measured by belief in God and acceptance of evolution ? with homicide and sexual behavior, Paul found that secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in God.
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The constitutional wall that theoretically separates church and state is irrelevant. Religion has overwhelmed the nation to permeate all public discussion. Look no further than Gary Bauer, a man who in any other western nation would be dismissed as a fanatic and who in America is interviewed deferentially on prime time television.
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The whole thing is a very interesting read IMHO.
 
The constitutional wall that theoretically separates church and state is irrelevant. Religion has overwhelmed the nation to permeate all public discussion. Look no further than Gary Bauer, a man who in any other western nation would be dismissed as a fanatic and who in America is interviewed deferentially on prime time television.
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Gary Bauer, a former Presidential candidate, said that after the most recent Space Shuttle disaster, when pResident Bush "cried" a few tears during a condolence speech, that it was the Holy Spirit's annointing on Bush to give a great speech. Sickening pandering like THAT is the trademark of the phony christian religious right.

There's a whole pack of these Dominionists jackschmittusa. This could be what you are noticing. Dominion Theology/Kingdom Now/Reconstructionism

They are not christians they are dupes. Ask them what's really going on. They will prattle a bunch of perception control gibberish. Lies they pretend to believe. That's called treachery.

I wouldn't trust a one of them even manning a lemonade stand.
 
Originally posted by: straightalker
The constitutional wall that theoretically separates church and state is irrelevant. Religion has overwhelmed the nation to permeate all public discussion. Look no further than Gary Bauer, a man who in any other western nation would be dismissed as a fanatic and who in America is interviewed deferentially on prime time television.
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Gary Bauer, a former Presidential candidate, said that after the most recent Space Shuttle disaster, when pResident Bush "cried" a few tears during a condolence speech, that it was the Holy Spirit's annointing on Bush to give a great speech. Sickening pandering like THAT is the trademark of the phony christian religious right.

There's a whole pack of these Dominionists jackschmittusa. This could be what you are noticing. Dominion Theology/Kingdom Now/Reconstructionism

They are not christians they are dupes. Ask them what's really going on. They will prattle a bunch of perception control gibberish. Lies they pretend to believe. That's called treachery.

I wouldn't trust a one of them even manning a lemonade stand.
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the fact of the matter is that these "true" christians who arent evil pieces of crap like bush and co are never the dominant voice of their religion ..i can understand that the few individuals who are truly humble and just want to live in a good world dont want to be represented this way..but thats part of why i call myself an atheist, its true that i dont believe in god, but i do share many of the christian ideals (although not in the extremist twisted method which they are often portrayed usually) for instance..i like the concept of monogamy, but i also realize that it isnt for everyone and i dont think people are evil for not participating in it, i personally enjoy it and find it to be character enriching for me...so i do it, it has nothing to do with a mandate from god or society
 
the fact of the matter is that these "true" christians who arent evil pieces of crap like bush and co are never the dominant voice of their religion ..i can understand that the few individuals who are truly humble and just want to live in a good world dont want to be represented this way..but thats part of why i call myself an atheist, its true that i dont believe in god, but i do share many of the christian ideals (although not in the extremist twisted method which they are often portrayed usually) for instance..i like the concept of monogamy, but i also realize that it isnt for everyone and i dont think people are evil for not participating in it, i personally enjoy it and find it to be character enriching for me...so i do it, it has nothing to do with a mandate from god or society
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An interesting statement, but i don't quite understand it completely. Please exapand or clarify your position on "true" christians and how they fit into your opinion of the situation.
 
People will more or less do what they are gonna do whether or not theya re religious. They will just either ignore their religion, or act like their religion allows them to do bad stuff. Atheists are the same way excpet that you substitute some secular beleief system (humanism, utilitarianism, etc..) for the a religous one.
 
Originally posted by: straightalker
An interesting statement, but i don't quite understand it completely. Please exapand or clarify your position on "true" christians and how they fit into your opinion of the situation.
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My position on them is that im ok with them, but that I don't believe that one must be a christian to share many of the ideals that are commonly associated with them...and that ultimately they fall into a new category of people which includes many religions and non-religions that just want to live in a better world and have certain ideas about how that can best be achieved (voluntarily, and not be subversive tactics that try to shame people or to murder huge amounts of people , no ends justifies the means crap)

i think where "true" christians come in on this situation is to speak their mind publically that there are less abusive and violent ways to interpret their sacred texts and that it shouldnt be used for grand fantasies of end of the world showdowns

not to get overly repetitive, but to address this issue once again, i think that it is time for the religious to realize that their philosphy can be furthered by non-believers as well..they may have somewhat different opinions on what the truth about life is, but if your goal is the same, you should be able to work together without being fearful of differences in the details

we have a terrible crisis of major religions having a gigantic cockfight at the moment
and the more civil individuals need to band together and say that we will not enter this type of violent idiocy , we will not travel across the ocean to pick fights with those who are not threatning us because we believe that there must be peace for the world to survive..
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stupid people are more likely to be religious.
stupid people are more likely to be poor.
Poor people commit more crime.

thats my hypothesis. I would like to see whether religion has any correlation when you compare it within class and educational lines.
 
I don't think God would be an atheist, I think he'd be religious and spiritual, just not part of any particular Religion. Spirituality and faith are decent ideas that have largely been perverted by the world's various Religions. Some guy getting up on a podium and screaming about gay people is not a religious person, he's a Religious person...there is a BIG difference.
 
I still like the position of Abe Lincoln---who worried more about being on gods side than god being his side.

I have but one prayer---please save me from over-religious people---those latter nuts are always a danger---and in the totality of human
history are responsible for the vast proportion of human depravity.
 
God is God and, therefore, not an atheist.
God is considered by many religions to be the supreme entity. Christianity is but one.
A 'true' Christian cannot be found because of the 2nd of two great commandments Christ identified... "to love your neighbor AS you love yourself"... And, there are lots of Christians who justify being as they are by "we all are sinners and fall short..." yup... no different than any other group of folks who also fall short of something..

Statistically, you can argue that poor folks commit the most crime and that would possibly be true.. but if it is true is it due to religious belief or some other influence.. like being poor and hungry ...
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
stupid people are more likely to be religious.
stupid people are more likely to be poor.
Poor people commit more crime.

thats my hypothesis. I would like to see whether religion has any correlation when you compare it within class and educational lines.
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What???

That's 52% of America :laugh:
 
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