God? What do you think:

[JohnOfSheffield]

You don't qualify Plato as a "real philosopher" he's been dubbed "the father of logic" or Aristotle "the father of science" these two men have contributed more to philosophy than almost any others.

He's the kind of Indian who will trade his five year old daughter for money, don't expect him to understand logic, science or anything that isn't traditional Indian values and by traditional i mean at least two hundred years old.

 

[HAL9000]

and the same people "dub" jesus as the "savior" and don't question the veracity of some old bearded bastard who talked to a burning bush. right, their words are worth so much..

And, never said they are not philosophers. They are, in COMPARISON, nothing to those of Eastern philosophers.

You think by "philosophy" that encompasses all philosophy? How on earth did get ANY degree?

OK. I did question their names they have been dubbed, I read up on them, they are responsible for western society. Obviously you only want to argue about eastern philosophy. Which you seem to have at best limited grasp of. So I don't think you are able to comprehend what I am saying when I talk about western philosophy. In comparison, to anyone they are some of the greatest philosophers that have ever existed.

Get back to me when you've read up.

This sentence makes no sense, so I haven't responded to it.

 

[Baasha]

It most certainly does, have you been to India, such an utter shithole that nation is, fully comparable to China and other hellholes on earth that were better off one hundred years ago.

Um.. no it does not. unless of course you mean murdering each other, bombing other nations, stealing their resources, having women run around with 10 men, dress like sluts, and shirk any and all responsibility while getting stoned, drunk, and disrespecting family, especially parents, oh while claiming "freedom" is "modern", sure... but our definitions of "modernism" are quite varied then..

And, I have been to India and elsewhere.. they are the way they are due to exploitation by the British (scum) who did nothing but murder, steal, and rewrite Indian history.

The "shithole" like places are everywhere.. not just in the East.. lol...

 

[HAL9000]

He's the kind of Indian who will trade his five year old daughter for money, don't expect him to understand logic, science or anything that isn't traditional Indian values and by traditional i mean at least two hundred years old.

Yep, someone who doesn't consider Plato a philosopher is deluded. I've explained that he's not capable of discussing it on the same level as I am, so I think I'll just leave him to it now, with any luck he might look them up. :hmm: maybe I should explain that Einstein made huge contributions to Physics... :hmm: No I'll leave that for another day.

 

[Baasha]

He's the kind of Indian who will trade his five year old daughter for money, don't expect him to understand logic, science or anything that isn't traditional Indian values and by traditional i mean at least two hundred years old.

reported for personal attack..

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

and the same people "dub" jesus as the "savior" and don't question the veracity of some old bearded bastard who talked to a burning bush. right, their words are worth so much..

And, never said they are not philosophers. They are, in COMPARISON, nothing to those of Eastern philosophers.

You think by "philosophy" that encompasses all philosophy? How on earth did get ANY degree?

Like who? Gandhi is a modern very bright philosopher, you probably hate him because he defended the freedom of people to think as they please, his resistance to the OLD caste system and his will for the people to actually have the same freedom regardless of who they were.

You're part of the same sick fucks as the Taliban, there is no real difference between you and them, you have the exact same philosophy on family and women as daughters or wives.

And you are equally fucking disgusting.

 

[HAL9000]

reported for personal attack..

Just fyi, When you report something, you don't have to post a notification to that person informing them of the report.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

reported for personal attack..

For what? You've said as much yourself.

Does repeating what you say in other words equal a personal attack?

 

[Baasha]

Yep, someone who doesn't consider Plato a philosopher is deluded. I've explained that he's not capable of discussing it on the same level as I am, so I think I'll just leave him to it now, with any luck he might look them up. :hmm: maybe I should explain that Einstein made huge contributions to Physics... :hmm: No I'll leave that for another day.

your reading comprehension is really subpar.. never did I say I don't consider plato a philosopher. just like tupac is also a philosopher for certain folks.. however, in comparison to real philosophers.. they are nothing.. perhaps I need to spell it out for you..?

 

[Baasha]

For what? You've said as much yourself.

Does repeating what you say in other words equal a personal attack?

show me where I stated what you did... lying comes so naturally to you untouchables....

 

[HAL9000]

your reading comprehension is really subpar.. never did I say I don't consider plato a philosopher. just like tupac is also a philosopher for certain folks.. however, in comparison to real philosophers.. they are nothing.. perhaps I need to spell it out for you..?

OK dude, you just compared plato to tupac, claiming that plato isn't a real philosopher, I'm done. You have literally no idea what you are talking about, you are extremely biased to whatever deluded faith you have, thinking everyone else knows nothing. I'm not playing this game. Goodnight.
If you are quoting this to respond to it, you have not won by me going to sleep. You have lost.

 

[Baasha]

Like who? Gandhi is a modern very bright philosopher, you probably hate him because he defended the freedom of people to think as they please, his resistance to the OLD caste system and his will for the people to actually have the same freedom regardless of who they were.

You're part of the same sick fucks as the Taliban, there is no real difference between you and them, you have the exact same philosophy on family and women as daughters or wives.

And you are equally fucking disgusting.

you silly mleccha.. Gandhi was a philosopher and I don't hate him at all.. he just misplaced his compassion to animals who have no gratitude..

and.. he SUPPORTED the caste system you twat.. you are far too stupid to understand the underpinnings of Varnashrama.. hence. you are out of the system; an outcaste (an untouchable)..

 

[dighn]

dman peolple you never get tired of talking about this do you.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Um.. no it does not. unless of course you mean murdering each other, bombing other nations, stealing their resources, having women run around with 10 men, dress like sluts, and shirk any and all responsibility while getting stoned, drunk, and disrespecting family, especially parents, oh while claiming "freedom" is "modern", sure... but our definitions of "modernism" are quite varied then..

And, I have been to India and elsewhere.. they are the way they are due to exploitation by the British (scum) who did nothing but murder, steal, and rewrite Indian history.

The "shithole" like places are everywhere.. not just in the East.. lol...

It's a shithole, it's more of a shithole now than it has ever been before, the capitalism hasn't done it much good except that outside sources have gotten to exploit it more.

Freedom will never be anything prevalent in India until the traditionalists are all dead, a system where caste is gone, where all people, even women are all equal and have the same opportunities regardless of heritage or faith.

Until you change it completely, it'll remain the sphincter of the region, hell even Pakistan is better than that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

you silly mleccha.. Gandhi was a philosopher and I don't hate him at all.. he just misplaced his compassion to animals who have no gratitude..

and.. he SUPPORTED the caste system you twat.. you are far too stupid to understand the underpinnings of Varnashrama.. hence. you are out of the system; an outcaste (an untouchable)..

He most certainly did NOT support the caste system, he fought for Muslims AGAINST Hindus, he tried to institute an equal standard for ALL, you don't even know your own history you daft twat.

You still haven't answered my question, what would you do if your daughter persisted in wanting to marry a .. say a Jew?

What do you think of Hindu men that commit acts like burning the face of their wife because she wants a divorce or killing their daughter because she has dishonored her family?

I might have misunderstood what you have said before, but i don't know if i have unless you answer those questions truthfully, keep in mind that i'll refer to the answers every time i have a discussion with you or someone referring to you.

 

[Baasha]

OK dude, you just compared plato to tupac, claiming that plato isn't a real philosopher, I'm done. You have literally no idea what you are talking about, you are extremely biased to whatever deluded faith you have, thinking everyone else knows nothing. I'm not playing this game. Goodnight.
If you are quoting this to respond to it, you have not won by me going to sleep. You have lost.

Arthur Schopenhauer, a German philosopher, said this:

"There is no religion or philosophy so sublime and elevating as Vedanta."

There are many other people, great minds of the west and east, who have said the same thing.

Now, why are we talking about western vs eastern philosophy? I thought this thread was about religion.. as I said earlier (and you conveniently dodged it), Greek religion is dead.

 

[HAL9000]

Arthur Schopenhauer, a German philosopher, said this:

"There is no religion or philosophy so sublime and elevating as Vedanta."

There are many other people, great minds of the west and east, who have said the same thing.

Now, why are we talking about western vs eastern philosophy? I thought this thread was about religion.. as I said earlier (and you conveniently dodged it), Greek religion is dead.

Still awake, If you can just pop back and quote to me where I mentioned greek religion that would be brill.

 

[Onceler]

Thales was the father of both logic and science. Plato never did jack crap except take young boys camping.Maybe he was a stand up philosopher.

 

[HAL9000]

Thales was the father of both logic and science. Plato never did jack crap except take young boys camping.

Disagree, Look him up, he was amazing.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Arthur Schopenhauer, a German philosopher, said this:

"There is no religion or philosophy so sublime and elevating as Vedanta."

There are many other people, great minds of the west and east, who have said the same thing.

Now, why are we talking about western vs eastern philosophy? I thought this thread was about religion.. as I said earlier (and you conveniently dodged it), Greek religion is dead.

Since the extremist terrorists in the LTTE began being massacred by the million for crimes against humanity Hinduism is not doing all that well either.

Unlike Islam where the extremists are born into it, Indians of today are mostly concerned with making a buck and not much more, there is no middleground, it's extremist twats like yourself and those that have accepted that the western values of freedom are a better way to live and those who understood that are growing in numbers.

I'd give it two generations before we can call Hindus beyond fashionably interested followers a thing of the past.

Good riddance.

 

[Baasha]

He most certainly did NOT support the caste system, he fought for Muslims AGAINST Hindus, he tried to institute an equal standard for ALL, you don't even know your own history you daft twat.

You stupid illiterate untouchable, Gandhi SUPPORTED caste. He was against casteism, which is using caste to discriminate you dumb fuck.

You still haven't answered my question, what would you do if your daughter persisted in wanting to marry a .. say a Jew?

I did. I said she will marry a human, not an untouchable. She will be taught well. Don't you worry!

What do you think of Hindu men that commit acts like burning the face of their wife because she wants a divorce or killing their daughter because she has dishonored her family?

What do I think about those acts? Despicable. Retarded. Punishable to the fullest extent of the law. Do not mix philosophy with social practices. Many villagers in India were forcing the widows to commit Sati (self-immolation) which is highly despicable and just plain disgusting. Raja-ram Mohan Roy reformed them and now it is outlawed. There are many such cases but nowhere does the philosophy condone such dumb acts. And, on that note, Sati has a very deep meaning and means self-sacrifice (of the ego). To an illiterate villager, how do you explain that? Shit hits the fan and the philosophy gets blamed. Same deal with caste. Casteism is NOT something I support. I am against casteism of any sort. Caste system is NOT bad and that is what is important to point out. Don't use the abuse of caste system to shoot down caste itself. Too many are too quick to do that.

And, most of those "honor-killings" are done my Muslims in India. Some Hindus do it as well but they are far less rigid compared to traditional Muslims.

What do you think of the disgusting practice of genital mutilation by Muslims and Jews?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Thales was the father of both logic and science. Plato never did jack crap except take young boys camping.Maybe he was a stand up philosopher.

Thales did indeed make the early rules, i wouldn't say that he fathered modern logic and science though. Socrates had more to do with that and Plato is generally regarded as the father of modern mathematics which is a basis for many sciences.

When it comes to arsefucking young boys, i'd say it's quite probable that all three did that since it was customary for spartans and greek to have women for child bearing and young pupils for sex through all of their lifetimes.

 

[Baasha]

Since the extremist terrorists in the LTTE began being massacred by the million for crimes against humanity Hinduism is not doing all that well either.

WTF does the LTTE have to do with Hinduism you fucking idiot? LTTE vs Sri Lankans is an ethnic issue, not religious. And, you are most definitely a piece of shit for trying to attach Hinduism to the LTTE terrorists. Nobody in their right minds would do that. Oh wait, except untouchables!

Unlike Islam where the extremists are born into it, Indians of today are mostly concerned with making a buck and not much more,

Agree with that to a certain extent. However, that is exactly WHY there is a caste system. Brahmins are there to maintain the spiritual traditions of India. And they are just doing that; even in Europe and the US.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You stupid illiterate untouchable, Gandhi SUPPORTED caste. He was against casteism, which is using caste to discriminate you dumb fuck.

Is that why he organised marches against Hindus attacking untouchables, spoke against the dividing of the people into castes and how every community should remain free of modernisation and keep everyone equal, which eventually became his fall? No, you retarded twat, Gandhi was AGAINST the caste system and regarded EVERYONE as equal, that was the policy he both taught and practiced.

I did. I said she will marry a human, not an untouchable. She will be taught well. Don't you worry!

So you already decided who she'll marry or just who she can't marry no matter if she want's to? You should be ashamed to call yourself a father.

What do I think about those acts? Despicable. Retarded. Punishable to the fullest extent of the law. Do not mix philosophy with social practices. Many villagers in India were forcing the widows to commit Sati (self-immolation) which is highly despicable and just plain disgusting. Raja-ram Mohan Roy reformed them and now it is outlawed. There are many such cases but nowhere does the philosophy condone such dumb acts. And, on that note, Sati has a very deep meaning and means self-sacrifice (of the ego). To an illiterate villager, how do you explain that? Shit hits the fan and the philosophy gets blamed. Same deal with caste. Casteism is NOT something I support. I am against casteism of any sort. Caste system is NOT bad and that is what is important to point out. Don't use the abuse of caste system to shoot down caste itself. Too many are too quick to do that.

And, most of those "honor-killings" are done my Muslims in India. Some Hindus do it as well but they are far less rigid compared to traditional Muslims.

What do you think of the disgusting practice of genital mutilation by Muslims and Jews?

Well there you go, defend the caste system and make excuses for how it's practiced while damning those who do exactly what you defend... and you wonder why i thought of asking?

Most people don't get this but honor killings are prevalent amongst Indians and Kurds by tradition, it has little to do with religion, about 90% are Indians, about 9% are Kurdish, the last 1% are all forms of faiths and ethnicities.

What do i think about the genital mutilation of Jews (and here you forgot that it's practiced in the US too, by far more than amongst Jews, but still, it's because it's in the Bible, if it wasn't, no one would come up with the idea)... It's fucked up beyond all say, there is no excuse for removing 50% of the nerve endings in the penis while making the glans so insensitive that having it chafing against underwear all day doesn't bother them, i really pity those who had parents stupid enough to do that to their poor children.

Female genital mutilation is even worse, there is no point, it's not a Muslim tradition either, it's a tradition from certain parts in Africa and while some are Muslims, some are part of the LRA which is Christian... It needs to be stopped.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

WTF does the LTTE have to do with Hinduism you fucking idiot? LTTE vs Sri Lankans is an ethnic issue, not religious. And, you are most definitely a piece of shit for trying to attach Hinduism to the LTTE terrorists. Nobody in their right minds would do that. Oh wait, except untouchables!

Oh, you don't know who i am, do you? I'm a Captain in the SAS, as such i have been in the area and know fully well that the LTTE is a Hindu terrorist organisation, much like the IRA was a Catholic terror organisation or Al Shahab a Muslim terror organisation... I don't know why anyone would even think to debate if that is true or not, it clearly is.

Agree with that to a certain extent. However, that is exactly WHY there is a caste system. Brahmins are there to maintain the spiritual traditions of India. And they are just doing that; even in Europe and the US.

I don't think the caste system has any place in modern society, Gandhis hopes for an old peasant society with individual self ruling communes where everyone lived in peace with equal worth regardless of religion or heritage is a long gone tradition that India gave up some time ago.

Clinging to the past is resisting the future.