"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did,"
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A President who Talks directly to God, or at least has convinced himself that he hears voices is a scary concept.
That's to much like 'Son of Sam' - who hears dogs tell him what to do.
God/Dog ? This is getting strange all the time - is Bush possessed ?
If he misses a payment to the Religious Right will he be Re-Possessed ?
That's to much like 'Son of Sam' - who hears dogs tell him what to do.
God/Dog ? This is getting strange all the time - is Bush possessed ?
If he misses a payment to the Religious Right will he be Re-Possessed ?
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Depends on what ones does with it. If someone feels that God wants him or her to care for the needy or ill, I say good. Now if someone uses it as an excuse to attack and kill, like Bush, then there is a problem. Maybe it isnt religion, just Bush.
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The pertinent portion of the clip.[/quote]
Abbas has a great deal riding on the success of this road map. What he would not want to cause a fuss with Bush over such a thing. Remembering that in the culture Abbas was raised in, comments about God are just second nature. It appears he just related the story as if commenting on the weather, if you look at the article in context. The point Abbas is most likely trying to make is that Bush wants to intercede, but needs to do so before the re-election takes his attention, imparting a sense of urgency to resolving matters.
Whether the Abbas quote is accurrate or not, we are in a mess. Bush may have casually referenced God because it was culturally expedient to do so, but one wonders if it doesn't capture something of Bush's self-assurance and excessive conviction in such things.
We are in a mess. How did we get to this point?
How about the fact that the US has increasingly gotten involved in foreign conflicts without any congressional (and therefore constitutional) declaration of war? To my knowledge, Congress has not declared war in 60+ years.
We really never have been a democracy, we are a representative republic. We do directly elect our own representatives, so if government "by the people, for the people, and of the people shall not perish from the face of the earth," then that branch of government that is supposed to most directly represent the people must function how it is designed to function. But it doesn't. Both parties and both houses are too addicted to power, hence leaving them powerless to really change things in a constructive way.
This is coming from a conservative who thinks that we were right to go into Afghanistan and who thinks we should have used force in Iraq eight or so years ago. But not under the dubious claim of imminent threat from supposed WMD, and not without a congressional declaration of war. I think Congress should have officially declared war back in the 1991 Gulf War (or we shouldn't have gone in), I think we should have established our own terms of peace (independent of what the UN did or didn't do), and I think we should have enforced them when it was obvious that Saddam was in material breach. Not eight years later under trumped up claims to a national security interest. I share that just so those who don't know me know that I am not the typical liberal who bashes almost everything Bush does the same way the typical conservative bashed everything Clinton did.
We need compassionate conservatives, but we also need lucid liberals. And we need to act constitutionally or not act.
If one responds to a bad act with a bad reaction, how is that supposed to bring healing?
Only God can bring good out of evil, because it take true godliness to respond to an evil act in a way that does not itself become evil. And it requires a crucifixion.
Oh, I forgot: Bush has a direct line to God.
People in high power are tapping into things that are so much more entrenched and powerful then they are. Pray for them.
We are in a mess. How did we get to this point?
How about the fact that the US has increasingly gotten involved in foreign conflicts without any congressional (and therefore constitutional) declaration of war? To my knowledge, Congress has not declared war in 60+ years.
We really never have been a democracy, we are a representative republic. We do directly elect our own representatives, so if government "by the people, for the people, and of the people shall not perish from the face of the earth," then that branch of government that is supposed to most directly represent the people must function how it is designed to function. But it doesn't. Both parties and both houses are too addicted to power, hence leaving them powerless to really change things in a constructive way.
This is coming from a conservative who thinks that we were right to go into Afghanistan and who thinks we should have used force in Iraq eight or so years ago. But not under the dubious claim of imminent threat from supposed WMD, and not without a congressional declaration of war. I think Congress should have officially declared war back in the 1991 Gulf War (or we shouldn't have gone in), I think we should have established our own terms of peace (independent of what the UN did or didn't do), and I think we should have enforced them when it was obvious that Saddam was in material breach. Not eight years later under trumped up claims to a national security interest. I share that just so those who don't know me know that I am not the typical liberal who bashes almost everything Bush does the same way the typical conservative bashed everything Clinton did.
We need compassionate conservatives, but we also need lucid liberals. And we need to act constitutionally or not act.
If one responds to a bad act with a bad reaction, how is that supposed to bring healing?
Only God can bring good out of evil, because it take true godliness to respond to an evil act in a way that does not itself become evil. And it requires a crucifixion.
Oh, I forgot: Bush has a direct line to God.
People in high power are tapping into things that are so much more entrenched and powerful then they are. Pray for them.
We all knew he was a moron, now he's gone nuts. Nothing worse then a dumb redneck talking to "God".
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I doubt it, and it seems unlikely it will. Obviously Haaretz has more reason to keep abreast of details than other news media. For Fox, and others, this isn't big enough to justify spending the big money it takes to bring it to light. This is one of those telling details, but Americans have all but forgotten about the Iraqi war, at least in any meaningful sense. Isolated as we are, we can afford to ignore almost anything.
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Did God tell George W. Bush to strike at Al-Qaeda and Iraq? God only knows. Did Bush SAY that God told him to strike? We don't know yet, for sure. But we damn well better find out. Because if George W. said it, he-and all of us-could be in for some big trouble. ....
Before you jump to any conclusions, remember that you are reading a translation of a translation of a translation. Mahmoud Abas does not speak English. Bush does not speak Arabic. If Bush said these words, or something like them, Abas heard them from a translator. Then Abas repeated them, as he remembered them a couple of weeks later, in Arabic. Some unknown person wrote down what he thought he heard Abas say. Then Regular, or someone at Ha'aretz, translated them back into English-or perhaps first into Hebrew and then into English.
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Did God tell George W. Bush to strike at Al-Qaeda and Iraq? God only knows. Did Bush SAY that God told him to strike? We don't know yet, for sure. But we damn well better find out. Because if George W. said it, he-and all of us-could be in for some big trouble. ....
Before you jump to any conclusions, remember that you are reading a translation of a translation of a translation. Mahmoud Abas does not speak English. Bush does not speak Arabic. If Bush said these words, or something like them, Abas heard them from a translator. Then Abas repeated them, as he remembered them a couple of weeks later, in Arabic. Some unknown person wrote down what he thought he heard Abas say. Then Regular, or someone at Ha'aretz, translated them back into English-or perhaps first into Hebrew and then into English.
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God tells me to do stuff all the time, but I'm sure being a paranoid schizophrenic has something to do with it.
The first guy says the trees are green and repeats it to the second guy. By the time the tenth guy hears it, he's wondering why they're serving cornflakes for dinner.
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From the same article...
"And while we focus, quite rightly, on Bush and God, let's not forget to ask the president another question: Do you really plan to forget about Middle East peace next year, because you will be too busy trying to get re-elected. Is that the kind of president we want?"
The issue of translation is significant but does anyone really doubt that Bush believes he's doing God's work (a tool of the Almighty not necessarily God-like powers)? Bush believes in prayer. As a good Christian he believes God hears direct pleas through prayer and if man is receptive, God answers. I have no axe to grind against the man. I certainly believe that he believes. But that's what truly makes him dangerous. Faith is belief without evidence . . . a wonderful gift for the believer and an insurmountable obstacle for truth.
What makes Bush dangerous isn't his unwaivering faith in God, it's his unwaivering faith in himself.
Man I hope you guys will throw the man into oblivion where he belongs next year.
He's already caused America and the rest of the world enough damage.
You should take exemple on us and elect a sympathetic, ugly weirdo who cannot be understood by the press and people (much less god!!) when he speaks and is NOT dangerous. At least with Clinton, he could play golf.
He's already caused America and the rest of the world enough damage.
You should take exemple on us and elect a sympathetic, ugly weirdo who cannot be understood by the press and people (much less god!!) when he speaks and is NOT dangerous. At least with Clinton, he could play golf.
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