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God, please let a car manufacturer build a budget Japanese sedan with RWD

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eflat

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This annoys me so much. Any sedan from a non-luxury company is always FWD.

So to get RWD you need to step up to a Luxury car manufacturer.


But I do not want any of stuff Luxury cars come with. Give me cheap cloth seats and cheap plastic all around but just make it RWD!

Is there just no market for this or is it to get people to step up and buy upscale?
 
RWD is more expensive for the automaker and results in less interior space for a given car size. It doesn't make financial sense for "appliance" type cars to be RWD since the market for them is small, no matter how dedicated it is.

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Originally posted by: AdamK47
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Maybe...just maybe
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It's 120HP. Why bother making it RWD then?
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Why was the original Miata RWD? It also put out a pitiful amount of HP. The point is, it's much easier to add power to an existing car than it is to make a FWD car into a RWD car 🙂

I could easily see cheapish turbo kits combined with a decent exhaust kit and ECU for 200+ HP, surely a prescription for fun on something of that size/weight.
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
G8? I realize you asked for Japanese, but why does it have to be Japanese?
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For one thing, GM still isn't releasing vehicles that match the best Japanese on fit/finish and overall build quality (not to mention resale value). For all the hype surrounding their new efforts, which are certainly giant leaps forward, they still aren't the best options in a given category. There was a column in the latest issue of Car and Driver about just this issue. It's ok to get excited for them because they are improving, but they are still losing comparison tests to the Japanese (and Germans).

I haven't driven one, but G8 GT got a luke-warm review in Car and Driver. One editor said something like, "We were expecting great, but all we got was pretty good." So I guess the hope is the Japanese could do a great RWD sedan like they do great FWD sedans. It remains to be seen.

Also, I could take the G8 a lot more seriously if it wasn't a Pontiac. I hate to be so vain, but in terms of image, Pontiac is easily the most low-class, redneck car company currently in production. Too many years of plastic-clad porkers. I'd rather be seen in a Kia by a long shot. Sad but true. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: eflatmajor
This annoys me so much. Any sedan from a non-luxury company is always FWD.

So to get RWD you need to step up to a Luxury car manufacturer.


But I do not want any of stuff Luxury cars come with. Give me cheap cloth seats and cheap plastic all around but just make it RWD!

Is there just no market for this or is it to get people to step up and buy upscale?
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No there is no market for you if you want to know so badly.

Sorry, I guess Toyota and Honda don't expect the drivers of Camrys and Accords to be doing tail slides and power drifting through corners.

Even with RWD, the cars your looking at will still handle like crap. They're big and bloated with terrible weight distribution. You usually don't drive a luxary sedan like a 2 seater sports coupe (in most cases at least).

With FWD, you get a car thats easier to drive in the snow and you cut down manufacturing costs. Common sense huh? I'll remind you, we're talking about a Camry, not a sports car.

I'll take the leather seats and nice interior rather than RWD (in that type of car), thanks.
 
because everyone in their brother loves the "AE86" now. they think because they have a horrible power to weight ratio, they can be faster than anyone else if its lighter. -_-
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Ktulu
G8? I realize you asked for Japanese, but why does it have to be Japanese?
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For one thing, GM still isn't releasing vehicles that match the best Japanese on fit/finish and overall build quality (not to mention resale value). For all the hype surrounding their new efforts, which are certainly giant leaps forward, they still aren't the best options in a given category. There was a column in the latest issue of Car and Driver about just this issue. It's ok to get excited for them because they are improving, but they are still losing comparison tests to the Japanese (and Germans).

I haven't driven one, but G8 GT got a luke-warm review in Car and Driver. One editor said something like, "We were expecting great, but all we got was pretty good." So I guess the hope is the Japanese could do a great RWD sedan like they do great FWD sedans. It remains to be seen.

Also, I could take the G8 a lot more seriously if it wasn't a Pontiac. I hate to be so vain, but in terms of image, Pontiac is easily the most low-class, redneck car company currently in production. Too many years of plastic-clad porkers. I'd rather be seen in a Kia by a long shot. Sad but true. 🙁
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"But I do not want any of stuff Luxury cars come with. Give me cheap cloth seats and cheap plastic all around but just make it RWD!" = OP

So whats the problem again?

 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Ktulu
G8? I realize you asked for Japanese, but why does it have to be Japanese?
Click to expand...

For one thing, GM still isn't releasing vehicles that match the best Japanese on fit/finish and overall build quality (not to mention resale value). For all the hype surrounding their new efforts, which are certainly giant leaps forward, they still aren't the best options in a given category. There was a column in the latest issue of Car and Driver about just this issue. It's ok to get excited for them because they are improving, but they are still losing comparison tests to the Japanese (and Germans).

I haven't driven one, but G8 GT got a luke-warm review in Car and Driver. One editor said something like, "We were expecting great, but all we got was pretty good." So I guess the hope is the Japanese could do a great RWD sedan like they do great FWD sedans. It remains to be seen.

Also, I could take the G8 a lot more seriously if it wasn't a Pontiac. I hate to be so vain, but in terms of image, Pontiac is easily the most low-class, redneck car company currently in production. Too many years of plastic-clad porkers. I'd rather be seen in a Kia by a long shot. Sad but true. 🙁
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I could show you other reviews where the G8 got glowing reviews. But then your post has already indicated the apparent biasness you have for Japanese vehicles.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Ktulu
G8? I realize you asked for Japanese, but why does it have to be Japanese?
Click to expand...

For one thing, GM still isn't releasing vehicles that match the best Japanese on fit/finish and overall build quality (not to mention resale value). For all the hype surrounding their new efforts, which are certainly giant leaps forward, they still aren't the best options in a given category. There was a column in the latest issue of Car and Driver about just this issue. It's ok to get excited for them because they are improving, but they are still losing comparison tests to the Japanese (and Germans).

I haven't driven one, but G8 GT got a luke-warm review in Car and Driver. One editor said something like, "We were expecting great, but all we got was pretty good." So I guess the hope is the Japanese could do a great RWD sedan like they do great FWD sedans. It remains to be seen.

Also, I could take the G8 a lot more seriously if it wasn't a Pontiac. I hate to be so vain, but in terms of image, Pontiac is easily the most low-class, redneck car company currently in production. Too many years of plastic-clad porkers. I'd rather be seen in a Kia by a long shot. Sad but true. 🙁
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There must be something in the California drinking water.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Ktulu
G8? I realize you asked for Japanese, but why does it have to be Japanese?
Click to expand...

For one thing, GM still isn't releasing vehicles that match the best Japanese on fit/finish and overall build quality (not to mention resale value). For all the hype surrounding their new efforts, which are certainly giant leaps forward, they still aren't the best options in a given category. There was a column in the latest issue of Car and Driver about just this issue. It's ok to get excited for them because they are improving, but they are still losing comparison tests to the Japanese (and Germans).

I haven't driven one, but G8 GT got a luke-warm review in Car and Driver. One editor said something like, "We were expecting great, but all we got was pretty good." So I guess the hope is the Japanese could do a great RWD sedan like they do great FWD sedans. It remains to be seen.

Also, I could take the G8 a lot more seriously if it wasn't a Pontiac. I hate to be so vain, but in terms of image, Pontiac is easily the most low-class, redneck car company currently in production. Too many years of plastic-clad porkers. I'd rather be seen in a Kia by a long shot. Sad but true. 🙁
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Well that's certainly your opinion. But there are many articles in which domestics have gotten glowing reviews and have even beaten it's Japanese competition.
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
G8? I realize you asked for Japanese, but why does it have to be Japanese?
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Because I am a racist and think the Japanese are innately better at building reliable cars than others.

:evil:

 
Originally posted by: eflatmajor
Originally posted by: Ktulu
G8? I realize you asked for Japanese, but why does it have to be Japanese?
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Because I am a racist and think the Japanese are innately better at building reliable cars than others.

:evil:
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:laugh:
 
Used S2000? 350Z? WRX? How about an MR2?

The Japanese make RWD cars that make sense. There's no reason to build a RWD Corolla.
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Ktulu
G8? I realize you asked for Japanese, but why does it have to be Japanese?
Click to expand...

For one thing, GM still isn't releasing vehicles that match the best Japanese on fit/finish and overall build quality (not to mention resale value). For all the hype surrounding their new efforts, which are certainly giant leaps forward, they still aren't the best options in a given category. There was a column in the latest issue of Car and Driver about just this issue. It's ok to get excited for them because they are improving, but they are still losing comparison tests to the Japanese (and Germans).

I haven't driven one, but G8 GT got a luke-warm review in Car and Driver. One editor said something like, "We were expecting great, but all we got was pretty good." So I guess the hope is the Japanese could do a great RWD sedan like they do great FWD sedans. It remains to be seen.

Also, I could take the G8 a lot more seriously if it wasn't a Pontiac. I hate to be so vain, but in terms of image, Pontiac is easily the most low-class, redneck car company currently in production. Too many years of plastic-clad porkers. I'd rather be seen in a Kia by a long shot. Sad but true. 🙁
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Well that's certainly your opinion. But there are many articles in which domestics have gotten glowing reviews and have even beaten it's Japanese competition.
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My opinion and that of the most respected driver's-oriented automobile magazine in the country.

*shrug*

Enjoy your glowing Motor Trend "review" of the G8. You know they give that magazine away free these days, right? Oh yeah, I think the "special advertising section" in the newspaper had some nice things to say about it, too.
 
I think it would be cool to have another set of RWD cars that were smaller and exciting, but it just wouldn't fit with the consumer market. Like the others said, you can always lean towards used.
 
Originally posted by: BouZouki
Originally posted by: eflatmajor
This annoys me so much. Any sedan from a non-luxury company is always FWD.

So to get RWD you need to step up to a Luxury car manufacturer.


But I do not want any of stuff Luxury cars come with. Give me cheap cloth seats and cheap plastic all around but just make it RWD!

Is there just no market for this or is it to get people to step up and buy upscale?
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No there is no market for you if you want to know so badly.

Sorry, I guess Toyota and Honda don't expect the drivers of Camrys and Accords to be doing tail slides and power drifting through corners.

Even with RWD, the cars your looking at will still handle like crap. They're big and bloated with terrible weight distribution. You usually don't drive a luxary sedan like a 2 seater sports coupe (in most cases at least).

With FWD, you get a car thats easier to drive in the snow and you cut down manufacturing costs. Common sense huh? I'll remind you, we're talking about a Camry, not a sports car.

I'll take the leather seats and nice interior rather than RWD (in that type of car), thanks.
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But I have to admit, I think a RWD mazda3 would be awesome.
 
Originally posted by: FDF12389
Originally posted by: BouZouki
Originally posted by: eflatmajor
This annoys me so much. Any sedan from a non-luxury company is always FWD.

So to get RWD you need to step up to a Luxury car manufacturer.


But I do not want any of stuff Luxury cars come with. Give me cheap cloth seats and cheap plastic all around but just make it RWD!

Is there just no market for this or is it to get people to step up and buy upscale?
Click to expand...

No there is no market for you if you want to know so badly.

Sorry, I guess Toyota and Honda don't expect the drivers of Camrys and Accords to be doing tail slides and power drifting through corners.

Even with RWD, the cars your looking at will still handle like crap. They're big and bloated with terrible weight distribution. You usually don't drive a luxary sedan like a 2 seater sports coupe (in most cases at least).

With FWD, you get a car thats easier to drive in the snow and you cut down manufacturing costs. Common sense huh? I'll remind you, we're talking about a Camry, not a sports car.

I'll take the leather seats and nice interior rather than RWD (in that type of car), thanks.
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But I have to admit, I think a RWD mazda3 would be awesome.
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Why? So it would be more expensive and less roomy all while offering the same weak acceleration minus a touch of torque-steer? The Mazdaspeed3 could use RWD but look at it from the companies point of view. What percentage of 3's are speeds? It's probably less than 10%. If they made the whole lineup RWD, 90% of the 3's sold would be less competitive in the econobox market.
 
Subaru should be offering some RWD cars. They already have a tunnel designed in for a driveshaft. It seems like it wouldn't be that hard for them to redesign a few things to not drive the front wheels also. They should be able to reduce the price a bit too. A RWD STi or Legacy GT could be pretty cool if it was cheaper.
 
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I fail to see how people think there are no exciting FWD cars. There are plenty.
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Sure, but they would be even better with RWD. A lot of people like the upgrade potential of RWD also. It would free up space under the hood also.
 
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