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God is the good guy and Satan is the bad guy, right ??
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Projecting the actions of the few onto the many - common fallacy, your argument does not meet the criteria for prima facie and thus fails. I agree there is corruption in the church as with any large organization, but not ALL in the church are corrupt, and not ALL have alterior motives for joining the church.
Not while he was pope he didn't. I said the POPE was infallible, I didn't say the man before he becomes the pope is infallible. ALL men sin. Also I'm not entirely sure how much I believe in the infallibility of the pope, I'm not catholic, I kind of view it as something to be interpreted.
JeffreyLebowski
Lifer
DING DING DING. WE HAVE A WINNER.
P.S. If there is a God and he reads this thread, I'm just joking, I love you man.
I guess you really don't get around in certain circles then. Want me to introduce you to some people?
My fav in that department is an ex-minister. This is someone whose father was a minister and at one point had his own little flock. Really interesting guy. Just heard an interview with him about the time he finally realized god was a hoax.
glenn1 if you think that's cool, how about this theory? You know how books on Wicca, etc always have disclaimers at the front that reading them may put the person in grave peril? What do you think the story of Adam and Eve is? They were perfect until they ate of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. And what is it that tells us what is good and evil now? The bible! Nice stuff.
Howard well, at the very least, this is for the sake of argument within this context. If the standard package tri-omni God exists and created the universe, by definition everything is his fault. Otherwise, it's only man who is responsible for the misery on this earth (no fruit required)
Everytime I post in a religious/faith thread, I ask this question and get ignored. So, why not one more time. How many of you have read The Bible cover to cover? I'm not talking about reading it in church. I'm not talking about having a church official or your parents explain it to you. I'm talking about sitting down, completely independent of anyone else's guidance, and reading The Bible, in it's entirety, on your own.
I've done it three times. I don't have it memorized but I know the gist of what that book has to say. It's absolutely absurb to argue a book you haven't read, but very few people seem to realize this when it comes to talking about The Bible. How about those of you that HAVEN'T seen Shrek 2 give me a rundown on the plot? Rediculous question, no?
As for the Pope, he is not anything special over any other man or priest. That, honestly, is something the Catholic religion made up. It's not in the Bible. The New Testament clear states that Jesus is the only perfect human and he is the only intermediate between God and man. Your Pope is a sinner like the rest of us.
Yes, religion is a form of control. Governing rulers have used organized religion as a way to control people for thousands of years because it works. However, that doesn't mean that everyone that has faith in God is weak minded person that has been brain-washed. Yes, many people have been brain-washed but some of us came to our faith on our own terms.
Most of organized religion has done more to damage the view of faith to intelligent people than to help it. I avoid the majority of churches because they are hypocritical and corrupt. Mankind has corrupted (as usual) religion. Just because that part is messed up doesn't mean that God is fake. If you want your eyes opened to what is supposed to be taught in church, read The Bible. You don't have to read it as a religious experience. Read it just as another book if that's what you want to do. But if you want to argue it and not sound like a fool to the people that have actually read it, do read it.
-DAGTA
I've done it three times. I don't have it memorized but I know the gist of what that book has to say. It's absolutely absurb to argue a book you haven't read, but very few people seem to realize this when it comes to talking about The Bible. How about those of you that HAVEN'T seen Shrek 2 give me a rundown on the plot? Rediculous question, no?
As for the Pope, he is not anything special over any other man or priest. That, honestly, is something the Catholic religion made up. It's not in the Bible. The New Testament clear states that Jesus is the only perfect human and he is the only intermediate between God and man. Your Pope is a sinner like the rest of us.
Yes, religion is a form of control. Governing rulers have used organized religion as a way to control people for thousands of years because it works. However, that doesn't mean that everyone that has faith in God is weak minded person that has been brain-washed. Yes, many people have been brain-washed but some of us came to our faith on our own terms.
Most of organized religion has done more to damage the view of faith to intelligent people than to help it. I avoid the majority of churches because they are hypocritical and corrupt. Mankind has corrupted (as usual) religion. Just because that part is messed up doesn't mean that God is fake. If you want your eyes opened to what is supposed to be taught in church, read The Bible. You don't have to read it as a religious experience. Read it just as another book if that's what you want to do. But if you want to argue it and not sound like a fool to the people that have actually read it, do read it.
-DAGTA
JustAnAverageGuy
Diamond Member
:thumbsup: Probably the best post in this thread.
Woodchuck2000
Golden Member
The Pope is only considered infallible by Catholics when speaking 'Ex Cathedra' ie, when making official proclamations regarding Catholic doctrine and dogma.
I'm an ex-christian who has read the bible from cover to cover and disagree with christianity. I'm more than willing to flame the christian god, even though I understand the christian faith better than a large proportion of the ATOT christians.
Sigh. This life is not all that exists. Ending an earthly life is fair little in the grand scheme of things.
Punishment is responsibility. Not evil.
Also, the weather thing is a misnomer. It is an act of Satan, since control of the weather was given to Satan. Ergo, "Prince of the Air". You're using secular tradition to back up theological argument.
Oh, right, and I didn't bother to read this thread. Just decided to respond to the OP.
Punishment is responsibility. Not evil.
Also, the weather thing is a misnomer. It is an act of Satan, since control of the weather was given to Satan. Ergo, "Prince of the Air". You're using secular tradition to back up theological argument.
Oh, right, and I didn't bother to read this thread. Just decided to respond to the OP.
You have no choice as to weather or not you are born into this world.
You have no choice as to what life situation you are born into.
your entire existence is dictated by the influences of your life situation.
you respond like the animal that you are to make the best of a situation that is entirely not of your making.
But yet you go to hell.
WHY ????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Come on, you blood sucking Christians, Where was your righteous god when countless millions of his children suffered injustice both at the hands of other humans and due to the circumstances into which they were born. Tell me that a child born in Ethiopia deserves less of a life than one born in the United States.
Where is Divine justice ????????????????
You have no choice as to what life situation you are born into.
your entire existence is dictated by the influences of your life situation.
you respond like the animal that you are to make the best of a situation that is entirely not of your making.
But yet you go to hell.
WHY ????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Come on, you blood sucking Christians, Where was your righteous god when countless millions of his children suffered injustice both at the hands of other humans and due to the circumstances into which they were born. Tell me that a child born in Ethiopia deserves less of a life than one born in the United States.
Where is Divine justice ????????????????
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