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Gobadgrs 36, Unions 1

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So I'm at work today and we need to get a bunch of computer stands out in our plant. The stands are about 2x2 made out of metal tubing and weigh about 20-30 pounds each. I gave the job to the UAW - United Autoworkers skilled trades union to do overnight.

They had 3 guys work on the job for 8 hours and managed to deploy 24 stands. Basically that works out to one stand, per hour, per guy. 8 hours x 3 guys = 24 man hours / 24 stands = 1 stand per hour per guy.

Pissed off by the lack of effort, I grabbed a cart and started deploying the stands myself. I managed to put out 24 by myself in 45 minutes, and 36 in one hour. So in 45 minutes of work by myself, I equalled the output of 3 union guys working for 8 hours.

Unions FTL. And people wonder why the big three are hurting so bad. Its because we have to deal with crap like this on the job.
 
Originally posted by: bctbct
What are they going to do now that you did their job?
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Sleep in the back or hide somewhere in the plant. I don't care so long as the work gets done, even if I have to do it myself. At least I know it'll get done right.

Another favorite story of mine is how it took 3 union guys working 8 hours each to hook up 34 computers. That works out to 42 minutes per computer to connect a monitor, power cable, coax and keyboard.
 
gobadger 36
unions 1

implies that you somehow won...yet they got you to do their job, and they still get paid and have theirs jobs....

i bet they try to piss you off enough so that you do their jobs from now on
 
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
gobadger 36
unions 1

implies that you somehow won...yet they got you to do their job, and they still get paid and have theirs jobs....

i bet they try to piss you off enough so that you do their jobs from now on
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I did win. The job got done right the first time. Plus I saved my company a lot of overtime that the guys would have "worked" to deploy the additional stands. If I can do the work myself, thereby preventing them pissing away hours of overtime by dogging it, I'm saving the company money and I have won.
 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
gobadger 36
unions 1

implies that you somehow won...yet they got you to do their job, and they still get paid and have theirs jobs....

i bet they try to piss you off enough so that you do their jobs from now on
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I did win. The job got done right the first time. Plus I saved my company a lot of overtime that the guys would have "worked" to deploy the additional stands. If I can do the work myself, thereby preventing them pissing away hours of overtime by dogging it, I'm saving the company money and I have won.
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no you did not..the company kind of won..the union workers won...you..well you just did someone elses work for them with no recognition or compensation

now had you gotten them to do the work on time and right the first time..then yes you would have won...as it is you cost the company money by doing someone elses job so in essence the company paid you AND them to do the work

hopefully you can get those lazy asses to do their job right
 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
gobadger 36
unions 1

implies that you somehow won...yet they got you to do their job, and they still get paid and have theirs jobs....

i bet they try to piss you off enough so that you do their jobs from now on
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I did win. The job got done right the first time. Plus I saved my company a lot of overtime that the guys would have "worked" to deploy the additional stands. If I can do the work myself, thereby preventing them pissing away hours of overtime by dogging it, I'm saving the company money and I have won.
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LOL you're just trying to fool yourself into thinking you did something good, but you're a retard for doing someone else's job while they are getting paid for doing nothing.
 
Originally posted by: bctbct
What are they going to do now that you did their job?
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Simple,

First they will sue you for running "honest" americans out of jobs.

Then they will sue your company for hiring you outside of the union

Next they will strike and shut down the company and use scare tactics on the workforce to complain that they weren't given fair training, wages, and a decent work environment.

Only then will they capitulate after they have extorted enough money to make it nigh impossible for the corporation to make money in the US therefore opening plants overseas

And lastly they turn around and blame Bush for the outsourced labor.



P.S. Unions can suck it.

 
I usually pipe in here with some pro-union comments, but after what I went through at work the past couple of days I think it's best if I just keep my comments to myself.



BTW-are you a supervisor or an outside contractor? Would you have the discretion to discipline those workers for loafing?
 
Jfrag Teh Fou can I have the name of employer and address, tommorrow they will come do your job and we will send you home without pay until we need you.
 
I know the feeling...CAW is the same way...maybe even worse. because of union contracts, the plant I was in had to employ a fulltime staff while running part time...basically one crew worked 2 weeks, while the others got 2 weeks paid time off, and then they switched shifts, and the other people then took 2 weeks off paid....interesting huh...
 
And they haven't filed a grievance yet for doing their work? If not, wait for it, I can just about guarantee they will file one.
 
Originally posted by: bunker
And they haven't filed a grievance yet for doing their work? If not, wait for it, I can just about guarantee they will file one.
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What little experience I've had with unions suggests that this will indeed happen. 🙁

 
No grievances.

All of the computer stands need to be out because the plant will be back up and running in a couple of weeks. If the computers dont get put out due to Union lazyness, its my ass. We have about 600 computers and stands to deploy in the next 2 weeks. At the current work rate I get, there is no way we can even come close to finishing the job unless nonunion labor starts pitching in, which is what is happening. The job needs to get done regardless of who does it.

No greivances yet. I'm waiting for my first one. I'd kind of like to get one as a badge of honor.

Earlier a couple of weeks ago, I worked those Union slugs so hard, that an entire department of them didn't show up to work the next day because they knew I was going to be on their ass to get work done. Probably had 20 guys not show up. I did the work myself with some coworkers and the plant saved a bunch of money. Figure 12 hours of work x 20 guys x $25 an hour = $6000 and the cost is even more because some of that is OT.
 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs


Earlier a couple of weeks ago, I worked those Union slugs so hard, that an entire department of them didn't show up to work the next day because they knew I was going to be on their ass to get work done. Probably had 20 guys not show up. I did the work myself with some coworkers and the plant saved a bunch of money. Figure 12 hours of work x 20 guys x $25 an hour = $6000 and the cost is even more because some of that is OT.
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haha, they didnt show up because they knew it would piss you off and you would have to work your ass off. Yep you are a winner 🙂

BTW these guys have a better compensation package than you?
 
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
gobadger 36
unions 1

implies that you somehow won...yet they got you to do their job, and they still get paid and have theirs jobs....

i bet they try to piss you off enough so that you do their jobs from now on
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I did win. The job got done right the first time. Plus I saved my company a lot of overtime that the guys would have "worked" to deploy the additional stands. If I can do the work myself, thereby preventing them pissing away hours of overtime by dogging it, I'm saving the company money and I have won.
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no you did not..the company kind of won..the union workers won...you..well you just did someone elses work for them with no recognition or compensation

now had you gotten them to do the work on time and right the first time..then yes you would have won...as it is you cost the company money by doing someone elses job so in essence the company paid you AND them to do the work

hopefully you can get those lazy asses to do their job right
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1. My boss knows and is proud of the job I did.
2. I'm salaried so I get paid the same regardless of how many hours I work or what I do.
3. Just because the union guys are at work and getting paid, doesn't mean that theyre actually working.
4. Rarely does the job get done the first time correctly. Were not talking about brain surgeons here. These are fat 50+ year olds with bad eyesight who move with the rapidity of molasses in January. And if I get help from other departments and turn my back, the guys disappear. When I complain to their managers, I get the response of "Well, thats the way it is." Unacceptable and I'll strap the project on my back if I have to so that it gets completed on time and on budget.
 
Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs


Earlier a couple of weeks ago, I worked those Union slugs so hard, that an entire department of them didn't show up to work the next day because they knew I was going to be on their ass to get work done. Probably had 20 guys not show up. I did the work myself with some coworkers and the plant saved a bunch of money. Figure 12 hours of work x 20 guys x $25 an hour = $6000 and the cost is even more because some of that is OT.
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haha, they didnt show up because they knew it would piss you off and you would have to work your ass off. Yep you are a winner 🙂

BTW these guys have a better compensation package than you?
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I am a winner. What part of the saving money for the company don't you understand? Plus projects need to get done by a certain date, and since I'm already a sunk cost because I'm salaried, it saves the company money. Things get done on time and with quality like I promised they would. If I have to work harder for that to happen, then so be it. If you work on a project and something doesn't go right, do you just throw up your hands and scream like a little girl that things aren't fair? Because I roll up my sleeves and do as much work as possible to make sure the project gets done.
 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
gobadger 36
unions 1

implies that you somehow won...yet they got you to do their job, and they still get paid and have theirs jobs....

i bet they try to piss you off enough so that you do their jobs from now on
Click to expand...

I did win. The job got done right the first time. Plus I saved my company a lot of overtime that the guys would have "worked" to deploy the additional stands. If I can do the work myself, thereby preventing them pissing away hours of overtime by dogging it, I'm saving the company money and I have won.
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no you did not..the company kind of won..the union workers won...you..well you just did someone elses work for them with no recognition or compensation

now had you gotten them to do the work on time and right the first time..then yes you would have won...as it is you cost the company money by doing someone elses job so in essence the company paid you AND them to do the work

hopefully you can get those lazy asses to do their job right
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1. My boss knows and is proud of the job I did.
2. I'm salaried so I get paid the same regardless of how many hours I work or what I do.
3. Just because the union guys are at work and getting paid, doesn't mean that theyre actually working.
4. Rarely does the job get done the first time correctly. Were not talking about brain surgeons here. These are fat 50+ year olds with bad eyesight who move with the rapidity of molasses in January. And if I get help from other departments and turn my back, the guys disappear. When I complain to their managers, I get the response of "Well, thats the way it is." Unacceptable and I'll strap the project on my back if I have to so that it gets completed on time and on budget.
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Personal responsibility? 😛 What's wrong with you? 😉

Seriously - good for you, I hope you get what you deserve, and I mean that in a good way. :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs


Earlier a couple of weeks ago, I worked those Union slugs so hard, that an entire department of them didn't show up to work the next day because they knew I was going to be on their ass to get work done. Probably had 20 guys not show up. I did the work myself with some coworkers and the plant saved a bunch of money. Figure 12 hours of work x 20 guys x $25 an hour = $6000 and the cost is even more because some of that is OT.
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haha, they didnt show up because they knew it would piss you off and you would have to work your ass off. Yep you are a winner 🙂

BTW these guys have a better compensation package than you?
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I am a winner. What part of the saving money for the company don't you understand? Plus projects need to get done by a certain date, and since I'm already a sunk cost because I'm salaried, it saves the company money. Things get done on time and with quality like I promised they would. If I have to work harder for that to happen, then so be it. If you work on a project and something doesn't go right, do you just throw up your hands and scream like a little girl that things aren't fair? Because I roll up my sleeves and do as much work as possible to make sure the project gets done.
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Try looking at it from this perspective.

You are costing your company money.

If you developed a relationship with your employee so that they wanted to work hard to make YOU look good.

I see this all the time at work. I send guys to one job and they hate the foreman...less production. Send them back to the job where the foreman takes care fo them, they work their butts off.
 
Are you allowed to fire union workers for not doing their job? Or does the union have such a tight grip that firing isn't allowed in the contract?
 
Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs


Earlier a couple of weeks ago, I worked those Union slugs so hard, that an entire department of them didn't show up to work the next day because they knew I was going to be on their ass to get work done. Probably had 20 guys not show up. I did the work myself with some coworkers and the plant saved a bunch of money. Figure 12 hours of work x 20 guys x $25 an hour = $6000 and the cost is even more because some of that is OT.
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haha, they didnt show up because they knew it would piss you off and you would have to work your ass off. Yep you are a winner 🙂

BTW these guys have a better compensation package than you?
Click to expand...

I am a winner. What part of the saving money for the company don't you understand? Plus projects need to get done by a certain date, and since I'm already a sunk cost because I'm salaried, it saves the company money. Things get done on time and with quality like I promised they would. If I have to work harder for that to happen, then so be it. If you work on a project and something doesn't go right, do you just throw up your hands and scream like a little girl that things aren't fair? Because I roll up my sleeves and do as much work as possible to make sure the project gets done.
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Try looking at it from this perspective.

You are costing your company money.

If you developed a relationship with your employee so that they wanted to work hard to make YOU look good.

I see this all the time at work. I send guys to one job and they hate the foreman...less production. Send them back to the job where the foreman takes care fo them, they work their butts off.
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Its the way it is with all skilled trades unions in our plant. Its the same labor rates that all of my coworkers and I get out of them. Have you ever worked with the UAW? They don't want to work hard, especially the skilled trades. They get paid the same hourly rate whether they work fast or slow.

And the guys hauling stands for me were from a different department on a different shift. I've never even met them. I gave a spreadsheet of work to their supervisor detailing what needed to be done. I even made sure that there were tape marks on the floor of where stands were supposed to go. So these guys whom I've never met had a spreadsheet detailing locations, and the locations were marked on the floor with tape, and all they could muster was one stand, per hour, per guy. Pretty hard for me to have a bad relationship with someone when I've never met them.

 
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